This article from JSO is less than enthusiastic:
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...270266911.html
Too inconsistent?
Too limited?
Too often injured?
Will others make him expendable?
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This article from JSO is less than enthusiastic:
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...270266911.html
Too inconsistent?
Too limited?
Too often injured?
Will others make him expendable?
I think Cobb will get a 2-3 year extension while the Packers determine whether Cobb, Adams or someone else is capable of being their #2 WR.
Will he take that? He has a big year in the bank that could get him a bigger contract for more years from a receiver-starved team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joemailman
It would be a shame if he did. AR has and will make his WR look like #1s. All Packer WRs should have to "tip" AR 20% of their salary. I don't think that even Jordy would be opposed to that.
Cobb adds an element of quickness and elusiveness to the Packer offense that nobody else on the current roster can provide. TT has done a nice job of finding receivers whose strengths complement each other. Letting Cobb go would deprive the offense of one of its most explosive components. I have no idea what Cobb would or wouldn't be willing to consider for a second contract, but assuming his expectations aren't unreasonable I expect TT makes sure he stays in GB.
It will be interesting to see what J Jones does in Oakland this year. If he has crappy numbers there and Jennings doesn't light it up in Minny again, GM's might have second thoughts about just how good GB's receivers are absent Rodgers.
in this day and age where one neck injury or a concussion can cut your career short at anytime, i just don't see why any player would give a team a massive "hometown discount", or sign a short "prove it" deal, when he doesn't have much to prove
he can, and should receive jordy money. if we won't give that to him, someone will
I don't know that he'll get Jordy money, but I wouldn't be surprised with something close. He's missed time all three of his seasons, that is going to hurt him.Quote:
Originally Posted by red
I don't put much stock in a hometown discount, but for the same injury reasons as you stated, I think the 'get it early' discount could be significant if they continue to negotiate during the season.
I agree that the hometown discount as an argument to accept less is ludicrous. But Cobb isn't getting Nelson money yet. I think he will get a good deal more than Nelson did on his second contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by red
Code:Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rush Rush Rush Rush Rush Rush Rush
Year Age G GS Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Att Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G YScm RRTD Fmb AV
2008 23 16 2 33 366 11.1 2 29 2.1 22.9 366 2 0 3
2009 24 13 0 22 320 14.5 2 51 1.7 24.6 320 2 3 3
2010 25 16 4 45 582 12.9 2 80 2.8 36.4 582 2 3 5
2011 26 16 9 68 1263 18.6 15 93 4.3 78.9 1263 15 0 15
2012 27 12 10 49 745 15.2 7 73 4.1 62.1 745 7 0 7
2013 28 16 16 85 1314 15.5 8 76 5.3 82.1 1314 8 0 11
Career 89 41 302 4590 15.2 36 93 3.4 51.6 4590 36 6 44
Code:Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rece Rush Rush Rush Rush Rush Rush Rush
Year Age G GS Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Att Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G YScm RRTD Fmb AV
2011 21 15 0 25 375 15.0 1 61 1.7 25.0 2 5 0 4 2.5 0.3 0.1 380 1 3 7
2012 22 15 8 80 954 11.9 8 39 5.3 63.6 10 132 0 28 13.2 8.8 0.7 1086 8 4 11
2013 23 6 4 31 433 14.0 4 48 5.2 72.2 4 78 0 67 19.5 13.0 0.7 511 4 0 4
Career 36 12 136 1762 13.0 13 61 3.8 48.9 16 215 0 67 13.4 6.0 0.4 1977 13 7 22
Seems to me the money on a deal has more to do with the market for the particular mold of player than anything else.
The market for Boldin, James Jones mold of WR is consistently less than what fans predict. The "9 route" specialist guys like Mike Wallace and Vincent Jackson consistently break the bank. Cobb is a slot receiver and with 70% of the passes in the NFL right now being in the middle of the field I'd think he'd be a hot commodity. He's not totally proven but he's more proven than Percy Harvin was (although Harvin also appeals to the 9 route crowd as well). I think Cobb is due something on the order of what Welker got. He's still ascending, a little more versatile than Welker, and comparable in character. Welker is obviously more proven and durable so should get more up front.
Good post, 31.
They all pay more for streak route guys bc everybody like to hit streak routes.
Wallace proves that can be fools gold.
Mike Wallace outta be arrested for his contract, he steals money every week he gets paid.
But to do that he has to play out his contract and risk a career-altering injury this year. Before the season starts I could see him getting something like a 3 year, $20 million extension with a pretty healthy signing bonus. At the end of the contract, he'd still only be 27 (he just turned 24), and be in line for one more big contract similar to what Jordy just got.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
I don't think he'll get Jordy money from the Packers. I did have concerns about the way Cobb looked after he returned last year. Slower and a bit out of shape. I chalked it up to rust, but his seemingly pedestrian play in training camp gas me worried. I hope he rebounds to pre-injury level, but I'm not sure it's a given.
I think Ted Thompson did what we have seen him do before: draft to the position of the upcoming negotiations to give the team some leverage. Of the two, Nelson and Cobb, I considered Nelson the much more necessary to retain even before the draft. Even though he is so much younger, I just don't trust Cobb as much to stay healthy. I guess we can take kick returns out of the equation, and it just doesn't seem like Cobb has the zip he had when he first came to the Packers.
If he has a good year, he will price himself out of the range the Packers are ready to pay, and if he doesn't have a good year, we are better off moving forward without him.
I haven't seen any of training camp but I've read enough of McGinn to know about his tendency toward contrarianism and pot-stirring. I'm not real surprised Cobb's looked unspectacular in practice. He doesn't need to impress the coaches and knowing him is probably focusing his time on more minute parts of his game.
Cobb has always struck me as a really effective, yet somewhat unspectacular player who makes things look easier than they really are. He's not really jukey or shifty like Driver and Jennings were/are, but it seems like every time you look up he just gained about 10 more yards than you thought he did because he's always been really efficient with his movements. Same thing from the backfield. Maybe that's a little vague description but he's elusive in s vague way too. He'll make someone take a bad angle and miss but he seems to do it 5 yards before the contact would have happened rather than at the point so it's not as noticeable or spectacular as even Lacy with a spin move. Not sure what his YPC is but I bet it's really high. In practice with no tackling I can see how he'd look pedestrian but there's not much pedestrian about his football skills or productivity with the ball in his hands.
The only thing that'll keep him from being elite IMO in the upcoming years is health. I'm no doctor but I don't know of any reason why a broken bone would have a permanent or even lasting impact on his quickness or speed. I'm looking at tendencies and saying McGinn's blowing smoke.
Lmao Cobb hasn't lost a thing, unless he is looking for unreal money he will be resigned. Ted isn't going to let a 23 year old future star just walk.
If healthy, Cobb is extended. Simple as that.
Harder to do 9 routes when your QB is running for his life behind a weak O-line in Miami last year, and 5 new starters this year. Ouch.Quote:
Originally Posted by KYPack
The issue there was, Miami wasn't Mike Wallace away from going next level. Their protection and young QB issues will continue to affect Wallace until they get those things fixed and can create play action off of their run game.
Cobbs not going anywhere. I was worried about losing Nelson, not Cobb. I think TT will extend him mid season after he proves he recovered from injury but before he reaches 1200+ yards. He will likely sign a 3 year extension averaging 7 million a year. Added to the last half of his rookie deal it will be worth about 6 million/year. In a few years he'll still only be 27 yo and if he puts together back to back dominate seasons and stays healthy he'll get the 10 million + type deal.
If you are Cobb, and you reach midseason healthy and on course for a second big season to go with the one you had in 2012, would you sign a 3 year contract averaging $7 million, or take your chances on the second half of the season and shoot for a big money, longer term contract in the off season, perhaps with significant guaranteed money? I think I would take my chances getting to the off season. Even if the second half doesn't go as well, absent a devastating injury, the 3/$7M likely will still be there in the off season.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaCkFan_n_MD