why? because his big board doesn't match all the others who are getting their info from the same sources?
i believe he just did his rantings for his big board in the last week, so its up to date based on his opinions
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why? because his big board doesn't match all the others who are getting their info from the same sources?
i believe he just did his rantings for his big board in the last week, so its up to date based on his opinions
Jensen would be a local story. He grew up and played in Waupaca, less than 50 miles from GB. He was a very good state champion HS qb before going to NDSU.
He played in a local conference vs. my kid's HS. Awesome talent compared to most of the local players. Didn't see him play in college, but he did take NDSU to 3 straight FCS titles, so that's saying a lot.
Decent size, 6-3, 225. Never know, if TT picks him and likes what he sees, he could edge out Tolzien as the 3rd string/developmental QB.
I'd be curious to see what his rankings of safeties from previous years look like -- it would be a decent gauge of whether he's accurate or not.
I thought last year was supposed to be a bad year for safety, and IIRC the year before wasn't touted as that great either. My sense is that it's a little better than last year, probably about how it was 2 years ago.
To tell you the truth, I'm not really sure what a good draft for safety does look like. Usually there are 2-3 that get taken in the top 50 picks, and that will be the case again this year IMO.
Pretty sure Tahj Boyd was the guy who a GB scout was quoted as calling more or less undraftable, but I think that was based on Senior Bowl practices and game where he struggled (7-16 31 yds 1 Int) and the fact that he's under 6'1". Had good WRs at Clemson (Watkins, Bryant, DeAndre Hopkins) who could beat most secondaries. I think Boyd is rated about a R5 or R6 pick and if you're looking for a backup with mobility and good character he's your guy. I don't think he's accurate enough to come in the middle of the 3Q of a game and rally a team to win in the pros. I'd rather spend a R5/6 pick on another player.
http://www.draftace.com/player-ranki...13-rankings-2/
elam- 87
cyprien- 86
Shamarko Thomas- 84
D.J. Swearinger- 87
Kenny Vaccaro- 84
Eric Reid- 84
so he has both clinton dix and pryor ranked higher then all the safeties last year and he has jimmy ward rated just as highly as anyone last year
the link for the 2012 ratings are broken or something, but the 2011 ratings work and he only had one guy with a rating above 80
The player I want most, in our area of the draft, is Louis Nix III. The reason I like nix has a few parts.
1. He's an exceptional football player. Similar body type to BJ Raji, but a much more active, natural fighter on the inside. He's always fighting, always winning his battles. With the loss of Pickett and the disappointment of Raji, this guy looks like a 10 year fixture at NG. He's stout, active and impactful.
2. It's incredibly rare to find guys his size that can really move. There aren't very many high end NGs in the NFL. I think he's one of them.
3. He seems like an awesome guy and a hard worker. Good teammate, good guy.
At the end of the day, I think the first round of the draft, you want an impact player who plays for a long time. Of all the guys I see in our area of the draft, Nix is the one I feel is the best. Of course, I have very little knowledge or information about these guys compared to TT, so I'll be excited about whoever we pick.
Most drafts I see have him going in our range. Raji had knock your socks off explosion numbers and some highlight reels where he just pushed guys straight back. This guy doesn't have those wow factors that will get him over drafted, but he does look like more of a baller on the game tapes. Injury is a factor, of course. He could drop. He reminds me of Pickett when he was at the top of his game. I'd be happy with a 22 year old Ryan Pickett with the 21st pick. I don't think he's a super star, just a rare big guy, really consistent and a good player. Kind of like when we picked Bulaga.
DRAFT DISH: SEARCHING FOR TRUTH
by Russ Lande
1. Truly believes Savage is rising because coaches have become involved and love his physical makeup and skills. Scouts pegged him 3rd to 5th round because of accuracy problems. If true, could be entirely dependent on how good his OC and QB coach are. Accuracy is hard to fix.
2. Nix and Tuitt are both considered in the same camp as Clowney in terms of questionable work ethic. Nix had the better season despite the concern and isn't expected to fall out of the 1st, but Tuitt could be in for a fall. Neither plays as well as they profile.
idon't see anything special when i watch nix game tape. he does his job, he takes on double teams and doesn't give up ground, but thats about all he does. he makes no plays, he gets little penetration, he doesn't move piles, he doesn't get off blocks. he just stands there in the middle of the LOS, taking on his 2 guys
he's just there. nothing at all jumps out at me and makes me think "wow, he's special". like when you watch the game tape of jimmy ward, you go "WOW, he's everywhere, he is the team". you don't get that with nix
don't know if thats what you want out of a first rounder
Red, it's completely different positions. Nix's job is to take on double teams and hold his ground. I also like Jimmie Ward. I don't like haha. He's slow and doesn't flash. I do like Pryor, but Ward looks like more of a pure FS and I think I'd rather see us with a legit center fielder.
I'm with Harrell on the safeties. I'd rather have Ward than the other two. HaHa doesn't have the athletic ability that I want in a first round safety. Pryor reminds me of Brandon Merriweather. I see Ryan Pickett in Nix also. It wouldn't be a terrible pick late in the first round (Pickett went late 1st round also). #21 might be a tad high for Nix.
Highly doubtful Ward lasts til our round 2 pick. Do you want him in 1 ? That might be too high but by the time our round 2 pick gets there a lot of the safeties are going to be gone
I'd take either safety over Ward w/o thinking about it though. Haha will be long gone by 15 IMO and I have a bad feeling Prior is headed to the Bears. I think it's unlikely he's there at 21. I'd be fine with Ward at 21 as well. I'd take him over Nix
i think i would be fine with ward at 21
trading back 5 spots or so and grabbing ward would be nice, but trading down will be tough, and i'm starting to see more mocks with ward flying up boards into the mid to late 20's
Lately the mocks fwiw have Ward rising and Nix falling.
Think about Free Agency.....SO many teams need a safety. they are going to get picked sooner than we think IMO
I'd like to see a safety in round one or two and then I'd like to see Ed Reynolds picked up later in the draft as well. Bringing in some competition sends the msg that the level of play last year was unacceptable
I just watched a full game of Ryan Shazier (2013, Indiana.) Whoa, so friggin fast and explosive!!!
He's interesting.
On the topic of safeties, what are some thoughts about Terrence Brooks. Seems everyone is high on the top three, Dix, Pryor and Ward. I think Dix is a pipe dream if TT stands pat at 21, Pryor, although a good player, doesn't fit what we need and Ward, I just don't know much about. We need that fast safety that can cover alot of ground.
Looks like Brooks is slated to go somewhere in the 2-3 round area. Just going off what I've read, he seems like he'd be a good fit for what the Packers need. He maybe a little unpolished, but so was Nick Collins.
Ward would be a target to trade back for, common for Ted.
Uncommon for Ted, the fact that we actually identify his target.
Brandin Cooks, WR, would be a fun pick too. 4.33 40 yard dash, 1,700 yards in the PAC 12 in one season!!! His tape looks good. It would be fun to see a guy like that in Green Bay.
like bretsky said a bit ago, there could be a big run on safeties after what we saw in free agency. teams know that safety play is important
that said, i expect brooks to be gone by our second round pick. probably high to mid second round pick from what i've been seeing
after brooks who i put at the #4 safety, you have bucannon, who might be there at our second pick
then you have ed reynolds who is probably a third rounder. then the bottom completely falls out of the safety pool and IMHO there isn't much worth looking at
so theres 5 maybe 6 guys in the whole draft that are worth drafting IMO, all will probably be gone by our 3rd round pick
I'd be all for that. Then go CB, WR and TE with the next picks... Teddy's about building depth and developing talent through the draft (Captain Obvious).
I don't know much about the ceiling for a guy like James Nixon at CB and haven't boned up on this year's draft prospects but a physical perimeter defender that can play the ball and run with guys like CJ and the beasts outside for the Bears would be huge, especially considering Tramon Williams is undersized, aging, an injury risk, overpaid, and possibly on his last run with team both physically and contractually. I think we've seen enough of House to be concerned about his ability to hold up outside as a full-time player.
The contract situation with Nelson and Cobb are also a cause for concern depth-wise and my bet is there's a tight end that can be picked up in the third round and inserted right into the top of the rotation at that position.
I think he's right around our area of the first round. He plays similar to Tavon Austin and Desean Jackson, but he's 190lbs, not 170. He put up outrageous production numbers and spectacular athletic numbers. He has some special qualities that make him talked about in the mid-late first round.
Some options in our are I like:
Darqueze Dennard, CB
Ryan Shazier, LB
Louis Nix III, NG
Calvin Pryor, SS/FS
Brandin Cooks, WR
These are the guys I like that could last till pick 21.
2011:
Rk Player School Rating
1. Rahim Moore UCLA 87
2. Quinton Carter Oklahoma 78
3. DeAndre McDaniel Clemson 76
4. Tyler Sash Iowa 75
5. Deunta Williams North Carolina 72
6. Jaiquawn Jarrett Temple 69
7. Robert Sands West Virginia 68
8. Joe Lefeged Rutgers 67
9. Eugene Clifford Tennessee State 64
10. Chris Conte California 63
2012:
1. Mark Barron Alabama 93 –
2. Harrison Smith Notre Dame 85 –
3. Antonio Allen South Carolina 66 –
4. Trenton Robinson Michigan State 65 –
5. George Iloka Boise State 65 –
6. Brandon Taylor LSU 63 –
7. Janzen Jackson McNeese State 62 –
8. Christian Thompson South Carolina St 61 –
9. Markelle Martin Oklahoma State 60 –
10. Aaron Henry Wisconsin 57 –
Yuck. Yeah, maybe this class is better than the last few for safeties
I enjoy the articles about sleeper prospects. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...2014-nfl-draft
The more you watch him the more you'll like him....and I detest Ohio State.
If we are going to jump up to the elite NFC tier..we need to contain guys like Vernon Davis and Kaperprick. He gives us speed and tenacity. He can blitz; he can cover; he can tackle. He's everything Nick Perry isn't...a perfect fit for our defense who probably ends up inside but who could be used as a OLB as well. He's a guy who has a shot against the Vernon Davis and Jimmy Grahams' of the world without having to redo your defensive plan to have a shot.
If the Eagles don't take him I think he's likely to fall into our laps at 21 and I'm on board with him as our pick.
I also like your list...except Nix. Of your list I don't think the MSU Cornerback makes it to us. I'm doubting Prior does either
Gotcha. It'd be exciting to add a guy like that to Rodgers' arsenal. Checked out his highlights and he looks like a crisp route runner for a deep threat, not the least bit afraid of contact and goes aggressive after the ball for a smallish receiver. Faster and probably more physical than Greg Jennings but kind of reminiscent of him too to me.
Can't say anything about Nix's ability but if he's not a potential stud I'd prefer to bring back Jolly or Pickett for this year and see how guys like Boyd, Worthy and Guion work in situational roles backing up along the D-Line then see if there's anything to worry about next offseason - especially if a big guy's being flagged for questionable work-ethic. Maybe it's undeserved but those guys can go downhill quickly if they even show up at all.
I haven't heard Shazier mentioned as a ILB except in here. If he can play there, I'm all for getting him - filling our second biggest need with an excellent athletic player. I'm still not convinced Clinton-Dix will be gone by #21, but that seems to be the consensus. From what I've heard, Brooks, as well as Ward, seem to be decent alternatives if Dix is gone. We don't need a big hitter nearly so much as we need a ball hawk and coverage guy. Farther down, I like Loston and maybe Ahmad Dixon - we definitely need two solutions to the Safety position. The one guy talked about in the first round I absolutely do NOT want is Nix - the whole position/body type I want no part of early in the draft. I also oppose getting a WR or TE early, but mainly because of the needs at Safety and ILB. Some of those WRs and TEs are tempting as potential targets for Rodgers, but basically, we can stand pat and be just fine with receivers.
I don't discount anyone at this point. Whatever their draft board says is ultimate value at 21 is what they should take. Someohe brought up drafting someone like Manziel if he slipped to 21. I would think part of value would be probability of making an impact, and obviously Aaron being the QB would affect Maziel's value to the Packers. What if Mike Evans drops to 21, or Ebron? I think if it's too good to pass up, you either decide to 1) take the player that falls in your lap (ala Aaron Rodgers in 2005) 2) trade back (a little) and hopefully still get one of the guys being targeted, while picking up a pick to boot, or 3) you stand pat and draft the BAP at 21, whoever that might be. If it's Nix, so be it. If the Packers think he's Vince Wilfork, who here would complain? We can get a safety later if a more special or rare talent can be had at 21. If that happens to be a safety, let's get him. Drafting purely for need is risky.
Shazier would play on the outside on 4-3 teams, but the inside in Green Bay. That said, he's athletically gifted, and I'm sure we'd try to move him around as a bandit type player to create opportunities for him.
Shazier is fast and fluid. He might be the most physicslly gifted player in this draft under 240 lbs. He has the skillset to play any position from 3-4 olb to SS. Similar athlete to Patrick Willis. The 49ers can play a lot of base defense because Willis is like another DB. I think this guy couldmbring that kind of flexibility.
CBS NFL Draft Scout has five current mocks up (4 of 5 done in last week).
All have the Rams taking a safety. Kirwan has the Vikings grabbing Dix. One guy has the Bears grabbing the other top safety (Prior in that case). One has Ravens picking the second safety (Dix). One has Cardinals picking him (Pryor). Will Brinson has the most out of date one (4/10) and he has the Paclers taking Ward at 21 and Prior falling out of Round 1.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft
Going to be watching where Roosevelt Nix ends up and how he does. He will be switching from DT to ILB, having played DT at 5'11" 248lb.
from NFL.COMQuote:
Roosevelt Nix, DL (5-foot-11 1/4, 248) — Nix ran the 40 in 4.79 seconds on both attempts. He had a 28-inch vertical and 9-foot-2 broad jump. He did the short shuttle in 4.39 seconds and the three-cone drill in a remarkable time of 6.90 seconds. He performed 22 reps of 225 pounds on the bench press. Nix is a really good football player — he is the first player in Kent State history and fifth player in MAC history to earn first-team all-conference honors in four seasons — and a team will have to find a position for him. Some people think Nix might be a fullback, others think he might be a linebacker. At 248 pounds, he won’t be a defensive lineman in the NFL, but he has tremendous ability and a team will have to find a position for him to play. He is likely a priority free-agent pickup following the draft.
I'd love to see some speed on this team, whether at ILB or safety or wide receiver or tight end.