Yep, this. There are a million other ways to get your point across and assert authority rather than using size/strength/violence against a person.
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No, my approach would be using other forms of discipline. There are plenty of them. Sorry, there is nothing cool, manly, or responsible about using size and strength to discipline a child. What lesson does that teach them? That's beating people and using their size/strength over them is right? And what happens when a young man tries to apply the same concepts they learned from their folks to a young woman?
Beyond that, what's with the ridiculous stereotype post? Your lack of intelligence is showing.
I would just ask this question: When a situation arises that results in violence, have you ever exited the situation with more respect for the other person as a whole? I know that I have not. Respect is key IMO.
I agree completely that corporal punishment is not the best parenting technique. I'm making excuses because what Green did might not have been abuse a generation or two ago depending on degree. Furthermore its likely that most other people in his life were raised this way. You know these days you have to be culturally sensitive or you're a racist.
I think the most likely scenario is the girl was refusing to do what she was supposed to do as a condition of her living in the house, Ahman started nagging her, and the girl got sassy and he finally snapped on her. Hitting a child because they pushed your buttons is not disciplining the child under any definition. It is simply losing control.
Respect? Re-fucking-spect you say? Didn't you personal attack skinbasket's family? Quit acting all indignant cuz you are really just ignant. Fake ass act that no one is buying or even willing to rent.
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She was punished for being disobedient, not just because he was an angry maniac lashing out blindly. We wouldn't expect him to fly off the handle and smack his kid if the Packers lost for instance. Discipline and losing control are not mutually exclusive although I agree that they definitely should be. I doubt much corporal punishment is administered by cool-headed parents.
An angry maniac thrashing around blindly is not quite what I had in mind. The hypothetical scenario I was envisioning is someone who has been seething quietly for a while and, when the kid finally says something insulting about his wife (I'm assuming they're married; she is not the daughter's biological mother), he gives her a hard backhand, breaking her glasses and bruising the side of her face. That isn't discipline.
Well, let's see, what exactly would that kind of reaction teach a child? To do the dishes when told? That her views and needs are unimportant in comparison to those of others? To fear her father because he's likely to hurt her if she makes him angry?
I say hitting a child in anger is not discipline because it sets a problematic example, and because the child is likely to be responding to anger and fear over anything else. Generally speaking humans don't learn well in those situations.
This is no mystery. It teaches a child that their behavior resulted in a negative outcome among other things. You're not going to get me to defend the practice of getting physical with children, as you say there are much better ways that set a better example, are much more instructive, and cultivate a better learning environment. But poorly executed discipline is still discipline. If this wasn't, very little of what has ever been called discipline actually was. There are probably people on this site that were hit by teachers in school. This type of stuff was a completely normal part of the human experience for thousands of years. I remember reading somewhere that in the medieval legal system kids would be beaten to act as a record for litigation; the idea being if you beat them they'll pretty much remember anything for later testimony. That's pretty much the same conventional wisdom that survived until a blink in history ago.
BTW, the only reason I push on the semantic of discipline or not is because it informs his intentions here. Its the difference between the alcoholic who beats his kids for his own sake vs the parent who does it as an uninformed disciplinarian.
I understand your point, but I don't think the lesson can ever be completely clear when physical harm or the threat of harm is involved. Let's assume you're right, and the child learns that when she doesn't listen to Dad then bad things happen. How does that lesson translate into the rest of her life? Does she internalize responsibility for taking care of where she lives? Does she learn to obey the voice of authority simply because it is the authority? Does she simply internalize that she should do what Dad says because he says? I spent some time in a school system in another country where corporal punishment was quite common and often very brutal. I would say that overall the children there were slightly better behaved than their American peers (only slightly) and that they were considerably less adept at thinking for themselves. Their idea of learning was listening to what the teacher told them and memorizing it. That idea stays with many of them throughout their entire education. The change in parenting and discipline culture is new, I agree, and it's easy to assume that if things were done a certain way for a very long time then the results must not be all that bad. Maybe for the average kid they are not, because most kids have supportive, loving families or are simply a lot more resilient than we often give them credit for being.
The kind of negative reaction you impart is very important.
To expect physical assault is simply to fear the abuse again. Its a pretty bad feedback loop to reinforce.
There are a lot of negative outcomes that do not involve a violent act. Refusing to do the dishes or mouthing off can limit your access to that allowance, the car, time away from the home, internet, phone, other favors, trips to see family, etc.
The number of responses to this thread has reminded me of one thing:
There is way too much time between minicamp and training camp.
Must have clicked on the wrong shit. Threads wasn't suppose to be locked. Thanks for pointing it out 31.
The world is becoming pussified. Perhaps Green crossed a line. But the line is getting pushed back to not being able to discipline your kids at all. All that does is create entitled assholes aka liberals.
Of course I wasn't beaten as a child. My parents were educated. Beating someone up loses you respect in the end. When your kids don't respect you, what influence do you have over them?
i got spanked with a paddle at home a few times and at school too in later years. never did me any harm physically or mentally. didn't hurt my relationship with my parents. i've no problem with corporal punishment. as for ahman...not sure how accurate the stories coming out are but later in the process it will become more clear.
clever.
People bitch now if you talk sternly to your children. People whine if you ground them. If by hitting them, you mean give them a swat on the ass when they have it coming. Yes I hit them. I also have absolutely no problem putting a boot up either of my teenagers ass if they do something stupid.
First sentence is a complete lie. Second sentence is a complete lie. Sentences 3-5, you obviously didn't read what I wrote and felt you needed to defend your position.
We have spanked our child. My sentence was if your only method of disciplining your child is to hit them you are a piece of shit as a parent.
But in all of the times we have disciplined our son we have only once spanked him. There are so many more appropriate ways that have a bigger impact in their life than a slap on the butt.