Gotta wonder how much Allen Robinson would cost. What if we cut Nelson and Cobb and brought in Robinson instead? I am not as high on Devante as some, so him at #2 would be solid.
Gotta wonder how much Allen Robinson would cost. What if we cut Nelson and Cobb and brought in Robinson instead? I am not as high on Devante as some, so him at #2 would be solid.
As things stand right now, the Packers will be paying more to their WR's in 2018 than any other team. And it's not even close. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/wide-receiver/
23.3% of their cap will be going to WR's. That is crazy for a team with an elite QB. It's nearly twice what Patriots will be paying.
Now that the Packers have paid Adams, they're paying market value for everybody. But unless we expect Jordy and Cobb to produce below their cap number minus the penalty for cutting them, this is just the reality for 2018.
Its the story of our whole team... individually nobody seems like a ripoff; aggregated, you wonder why we're paying so much for the product on the field.
This is completely discounting opportunity costs. First, the top 15 highest paid WRs is not the same as the best 15 WRs. Second 10M may buy a Keenan Allen level talent if that deal was an extension from 2016... but that's not the same as saying Keenan Allen could be bought in 2018 FA for 10M. He couldn't. I think if cut Jordy is likely to get 10M elsewhere. He's making close to market value. If we were to release him and go after someone better, this likely makes the highest paid unit in the league more highly paid.
Cobb seems to have hit his ceiling, and $12 million + is too much for him. Nelson costs about the same and played worse than Cobb, but there's a chance, albeit slim, that with more recovery time from his knee injury, he could regain some speed. I'd say good bye to Cobb, and I'd offer Nelson maybe half or slightly more what he's due to make with some incentives for very high performance - a take it or leave it offer.
I really think we have more than adequate replacements for both of them in house right now: Janis, Davis, Yancy, Clark. Give those guys a chance, and they will succeed. One of McCarthy's worst traits, though, is not using quality young players. Those times he has been forced to do so or departed from this usual policy, most of those players have done well.
Allen Robinson, to my recollection, was mostly a possession receiver and is coming off an ACL injury. I'd steer clear of him. We need speed guys to go with a possession guy like Adams.
Technically, this is draft news, but its old as dirt so in this thread it goes.
Lawrence Guy, Marshall Newhouse, Breno Giacomini, Jamon Meredith and Will Blackmon, we hardly knew ye.
Draft Busts That Weren't: http://packerstalk.com/2018/02/02/pa...s-that-werent/
Tailgate tour will be in two cities I can be in with short notice.
Send your questions about Antonio Freeman and Bubba Franks and we'll see what we can do. I am going to try to keep Murphy from getting back on the bus.
https://twitter.com/jasonjwilde/stat...26263382773762
Aaron Nagler thinks Malcolm Butler is just what the Packers need at corner. I think he is an idiot.
Butler, a UDFA, has had two seasons (2015, 17) allowing better than 94 passer rating on throws to his man. He had one year under 80 (2016).
He is going to command dumb money from someone who cannot stop smiling over the 2015 Super Bowl INT. Packers should steer clear.
https://t.co/sxt8gJdTYj
Here he comes!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVZcbqTWAAMUVOU.jpg:large
Tramon Williams #25 DB ...Arizona Cardinals
Height: 6-0 Weight: 192 Age: 34
Born: 3/16/1983 Houma , LA ... College: Louisiana Tech ...Experience: 11th season
http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and-...4-f8f2dfa4623a
Tramon Williams Graded As A Top-10 Cornerback
Posted Dec 28, 2017
http://www.nfl.com/player/tramonwill...89/careerstats
Tramon Williams Career Stats.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-c...williams-3761/
Tramon Williams Current Contract
https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-...port-114416271
Damarious Randall ranked 55th best outside cornerback in NFL
Damarious Randall led the Packers with four interceptions in 2017.
Brian Jones - Jan 30, 2:05 PM 0
Comment woodbuck27:
See Post NO. 53 (immediately above) this thread:
If you can bring in CB Tramon Williams relatively cheap and set him on working with our DB's do you not try to do that?
Belichick has reportedly been tough on guys before for missing curfew. Pretty extreme though to stick with it through he whole Super Bowl.Quote:
Ian Rapoport
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My understanding is the benching of #Patriots CB Malcolm Butler happened because of a perfect storm of issues: Sickness, a rough week of practice, and a minor rule violation believed to be related to curfew. A complicated matter.
Comment woodbuck27:
Posted for a basis and discussion.
https://lombardiave.com/2018/01/01/g...ers-offseason/
Green Bay Packers: 12 players that need to go this offseason
By: Ralph Mancini1 month agoFollow @reverendralph
GO PACK GO !
Finally, some injury rankings. As expected, Packers are middle of pack for last 3 years after being trend setting from 2009-2013.
2014 also marked the full time hire of a sports science guy and a change in nutrition for camp at least.Quote:
According to Mangameslost.com, the [2017] Packers ranked 17th with 237 games lost to injury. Man-Games Lost includes players who were put on injured reserve during training camp even if they weren’t going to make the team, so the numbers are a little inflated.
Using only players who were on the 53-man roster at some point during the season, a total of 36 missed a combined total of 183 games.
Given that Man-Games Lost uses the same criteria for every team, their rankings are probably about as accurate as anyone could calculate. The Packers’ No. 17 ranking is much better than a stretch from 2009-13 when they ranked 5th, 6th, 18th, 1st and 2nd in games lost due to injury.
From 2009-16, their combined totals ranked sixth highest for games lost.
Since McCarthy in 2014 changed the practice schedule so that Friday was a recovery day, the Packers have ranked 15th, 24th, 10th and 17th in most games lost due to injury, according to Man-Games Lost. Still, the Packers have not had a year like the Minnesota Vikings just did when they suffered so few injuries they finished 31st in games lost.
http://www.packersnews.com/story/spo...ies/390009002/
Football Perspective @fbgchase
For elite wide receivers, the prime years are ages 26 to 31, with 27-to-29 being the three best seasons.
http://www.footballperspective.com/l...elming-primes/
I am getting more and more convinced that both Cobb and Nelson stay, but that Nelson might get a trim down from this year's salary in exchange for another couple of years at a lower price.
Final cap number, current cap space (via Spotrac) and franchise and transition numbers.
http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...llion/aujptoq/
Packers in 26th place for cap space. So enjoy your one free agent signing!
well, theres over 30 million that could be easily freed up by dumping 3 guys who are greatly overpaid
i got a little bit of hope that with a-rod back that jordy can get back to being a decent #2 behind adams. cobb has not once come close to living up to his current contract, and clays career is damn near close to the end i think, not much left in that tank
They aren't letting Cobb go and would only seek to redo the deal, if that. No chance at $30 million. Matthews, overpaid or not, is the best player on defense if Perry isn't healthy.
My bet is only one of those deals gets redone and none of them are leaving this year. They will be bottom third in space depending on how Rodgers contract gets done.
I was pushing for a top WR in the draft a couple of years back (early enough in the process that the public had little idea on how the first round was projected to fall). I can't find the post now, but Davante was the only young WR on the outside, and Jordy wasn't going to get younger. I remember reading an article several years ago (maybe Jordy's third season-ish) about how the outside WR that lines up on the line who can get a good release against press coverage is the WR that makes it all work (whichever receiver letter that is). Jordy was projected into that role (before he broke out). That article has stuck with me ever since. Davante might be a legit #1. But I'd like two guys who look like that with Rodgers at QB.
Packers rookie pool over $8 mil, about half of available cap.
That, of course, is only part of the story. Contracts get restructured; Most deals come in at way lower cap number than total face value divided by years. Other teams do a lot more with less. Ted didn't like doing that, and arguably quality of the team wasn't maximized because of it. I really hope Gutekunst sees things differently, but that remains to be seen.
Tank loves this line of thinking too, that the cap can just be avoided forever. But eventually it comes back to bite you. Just look at the mess of the Redskins or the Cowboys defense.
And the rookie pool is a weird deal. You have to come in at that number. But the rest of the rookie deal is based off increases from that first year. So it’s very structured and rookie deals do not tend to feature cap games like veteran deals do.
True on rookies, but the games definitely can be played on veterans' contracts. The nice thing about the NFL - compared to MLB for example - is that most of most contracts is not guaranteed. Cap hell hardly ever happens. The cap increases by such a healthy figure every year that things should be pushed to the limit in the years we still have Aaron Rodgers playing near his top level.
Here is a template for the offseason. Covers all the steps and has some numbers.
Problem is, his numbers are non-sense. As of today, the Packers do not have $22 million in cap space and the rookie pool is $8 mil and not $5 mil. And after renegotiations and Rodgers signing an extension (his number, 5 years, $150 mil), if the Packers have $22 million in cap space I will eat my hat.
So follow the template, use better numbers. He published on the 6th, maybe the draft pool numbers were published after his deadline.
http://packerstalk.com/2018/03/06/20...ulation-v-4-0/
Salary Cap
Estimated salary cap – $178,000,000
Player Salaries – $152,486,983
Dead Money – $4,718,533
Estimated Carryover – $6,400,000
Draft Pick Reserve – $5,000,000
Remaining Cap Space – $22,194,484
Renegotiations
Randall Cobb – I believe a fair offer is 4 years/$6 million per
Jordy Nelson – I’d give Nelson 4 years/$8 million per
Aaron Rodgers 5 years/$150 million with half of that guaranteed
Remaining Cap Space – $22,955,984
Cuts
TE Lance Kendricks – Cap Savings: $1,625,000.
No cut Matthews
No cut Bulaga
No cut Dix.
Remaining Cap Space – $24,580,984
Re-Signing
S Morgan Burnett – 3 years, $8 million/year
Remaining Cap Space – $18,980,984
Free Agency
CB Kyle Fuller – 4 years, $7 million/year
DE Muhammad Wilkerson – 4 years, $7 million/year
QB TJ Yates – 2 years, $1.3 million/year.
TE Crockett Gilmore – 3 years, $2 million/year
Remaining Cap Space – $6,640,984
Draft
http://packerstalk.com/2018/03/06/20...ulation-v-4-0/
Salary Cap
2018 salary cap – $177,200,000
Player Salaries – $160,602,634 (52 players under contract, not the Top 51 number)
Dead Money – $4,718,533
2017 Carryover – $3,934,000
Draft Pick Reserve – $8,761,000
Remaining Cap Space – $7,051,833
Renegotiations
Remaining Cap Space – $
Cuts
Remaining Cap Space – $
Re-Signing
Remaining Cap Space – $
Free Agency
Remaining Cap Space – $
Draft
QB TJ Yates: Why?
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6603/tj-yates
Crockett Gillmore wants to change Positions from the TE Position to Tackle,
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/...ckett-gillmore
" He has missed 31 games to injury over the last three seasons.
Gillmore has been a rock-solid blocking tight end in the NFL. " Feb 21 - 12:04 PM
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
The #Rams are trading LB Alec Ogletree to the #Giants for 2 draft picks, source said. He was offered to the #Chiefs, too, but they declined. @AdamSchefter on it first.
Why hasn't Gutey traded anyone yet?
#FireGutey!
Dead serious, need someone to check my cap math there.
Everyone is reporting Packers at $19.6 mil. That does not include rookie pool ($8.7 mil). If it did it would be 10.9 million of room.
But I don't get the discrepancy between the public number 19.6-8.7=10.9 and the number I get when I add up all the particulars (7.0).
People cannot be quoting salary cap numbers without counting dead cap space can they?
every fucking year
8.7 million for rookies does not mean the rookies will take up 8.7 million in cap space
i don't feel like doing my own thing again for the god knows how many-th years in a row
just read this
https://overthecap.com/explaining-th...ie-salary-cap/
in short. rookies take the place of other guys on the 53 man roster. 3rd round picks and later basicaly don't add to the cap because they make the minimum and are replacing guys who also made the minimum.
2nd round picks make about a half million a year more then minimum. which leaves just the first round pick that actually adds anything to the cap.
for the packers last year since they traded out of the first. king got about 300,000 more then the minimum, and adams got just over the minimum. so last year the rookie class took up between 500,000 and a million of our cap space
after we sign our rookies we will have about 1-2 million less in cap space, NOT 8.7 million less
last year the #14 pick had a cap number of just over 1 million his first year
#14 in the second round had a cap number of 727,000
minus out the minimum wage guys they replace and thats a cap hit of about 750,000.
the other rounds cancel out
OK, so he worked out actual cap space that had to be cleared for the 2015 rookies by team and it floats around one third to one half of the actual allowed rookie cap space, but can vary quite a bit team to team. Packers in that year had an allocation of 5.3 mil for 9 players and had to clear 1.8 mil. Bears and Jets were over half.
So I will adjust the offseason template to knock down the cap space by only 1/3 of the rookie allocation.