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Rodgers looked pretty pumped up after throwing the TD to Cobb.
Ask yourself this WB, was Rodgers not playing well because he didn't have enough fire? Or was he not fiery because he didn't have much to get excited about?
His reaction after that TD pass was all Aaron Rodgers.
Andrew Quarless 'got the look' when he dropped that perfect pass 'right' to his numbers for a critical 3rd down play for naught.
Irregardless of the fact that he only threw for one TD I looked for more emotion from him.
Works for the Jaguars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R5WU0pLNI8
[QUOTE=mraynrand;825520]This seems nonsensical to me. Rodgers didn't cause Nelson to stumble out of his break, and he didn't call the running plays at the goal line. You have a lot to complain about, but I will just say that I disagree with you about the main reasons for a less than average performance by Rodgers. Again, my evidence is the performance of other good/great QBs against Seattle, and Rodgers' injuries.[/QUOT
What's nonsensical to me is that the A-rod apology camp talks about the game as though my eyeballs deceived me. He missed a td to jordy on the goal line. He missed him deep(likely a td) on a free play. And he threw a dumb pick to Sherman, and I dont care if he "thought" it was a penalty. If you throw a jump ball you better make sure its a free play and you physically saw the yellow flag. All inaccurate throws. And that is just the first quarter. If you want to argue that a leg injury makes him sporadically accurate, then i cant disprove that i guess. I still think it is silly and a cop out. the guy did not have a good game and Seattle was begging to be beat. Again you had a opposing qb having the worst game of his life, and you couldn't outplay him.
actually, no one is trying to deceive you or make apologies for Rodgers. There was poor production from the QB position. The QB rating was low for a reason - 1 TD, 2INTs, less than 200 yards. That's not good. So now that we've (hopefully) dispensed with these straw men, if you'd like I can repeat what I think were the main reasons for poor QB productivity (I won't elaborate - that's all above):
1) The defense
2) The injury
3) ? Nerves, weakness of character, too much Olivia, intestinal gas, other.
1 and 2 should be unarguable. If you want to propose other causes, feel free, but I'm not going to answer unless they have some good argument/evidence behind them. For example, The miss to Jordy on the short end zone pass resulted from a stumble out of his break, possibly due to some PI. I argue it's not Rodger's fault. The miss on the free play to Nelson was due to 1) good coverage by the defense limiting where the ball could be thrown and 2) poor pass due to (2) or (3) above - you tell me. The INT to Adams seemed like bad judgment, but it may have just been a bad throw.
It seems to me what you're looking for is someone to say emotively that Rodgers sucks - or sucked in the game, and to a certain extent, he did. But further, I think you want to blame some mystical, unknowable force from category (3) above. If so, go for it, enjoy, knock yourself out, it's fun! :)
Fair enough....no i don't think A-rod sucks nor do I want someone to say that he does. He is my favorite player in the NFL to watch on my favorite team. That being said I just don't believe that his injury or the defense caused his inaccuracy and poor performance, they may have been some contributing factors but I saw a lot of plays and throws left on the field. I didn't see a suffocating pass defense in which no one could get open. I saw a good pass defense that was on its heels and an o line that gave an MVP quarterback time to find those holes. He wasn't accurate and he didn't make good decisions. PERIOD.
I guess what I want is for people to stop letting their fandom get in the way of logical criticism. Rodgers is mediocre at best in the playoffs. There i said it. Yeah they are good defenses but guess what? that's who you face in the playoffs. And that's not going to change. I want people to acknowledge that the poor quarterback play is a big part of why we have come up short in the playoffs since the super bowl run. The elephant in the room is that we have a hall of fame quarterback that underperforms in the clutch. He had a great opportunity last week to put his stamp on a game that was begging for him to do it. You can say it was his calf, but I have seen to many other examples of him crumbling in big games, under adverse conditions, to buy that.
What would you do if Rodgers can be no more accurate on the bad wheel? Have him take a seat and put Flynn in? How do we judge how injured he was?
Precisely what was to be done differently? You win with the players you have on the field, not their Platonic ideal. Not enough made enough plays.
The antidote is not to insist, somehow, that Rodgers play better when injured or that Bostick, Peppers or Burnett get smarter in the offseason. Its to choose a strategy to maximize leverage when you have it. They at least should have valued a first down more than a negative run that drains clock at the end. And they should have valued another shot at a TD on at least one of their first two trips down to the 1 yard line.
[QUOTE=yetisnowman;826181] Yes the way that Russell Wilson played the Packers should have crushed Seattle.
Good analysis on missing the pass to Jordy Nelson. That was an easy six blown.
On the pick to Richard Sherman he threw the ball where 'only' Richard Sherman (a former WR) could catch that ball. Aaron Rodgers threw it inside directly to coverage and an easy pick for Richard Sherman. The Aaron Rodgers excuse of it should have been a free throw because of a Seattle penalty at the LOS doesn't wash after his poor throw.
On that day except for the TD pass to Randall Cobb and the late game tying FG drive that wasn't the Aaron Rodgers we usually see and expect or hope to see.
I know that the offense was trying some new stuff. I know the hurry up offense was out because of the 12th man issue but Aaron Rodgers looked different.
I really wonder if he was medicated? Did he have a head cold? Was he properly rested?
Something was abnormally wrong with Aaron Rodgers in the NFC Championship game.
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I don't have a problem with McCarthy being conservative on the goal line. Just my opinion. He didn't feel comfortable because Seattle was getting such great penetration in those situations. You are right we don't know how Rodgers injury affected his accuracy, but I would bet if you asked him honestly he would say he missed a lot of plays that he should have made, injured or not. My insistance is that he needs to play better in the playoffs. That is the one consistent thing I have taken away from our playoff losses since 2010. He has underperformed. i don't see us having a shutdown defense any time soon, so we need to be able to win games by scoring over 20 points. Yes the coaching staff needs to revamp their schemes and strategies, but your MVP quarterback has to maximize the opportunities presented to him. He has failed to do that too often in my opinion. If he doesn't step up and play better in the playoffs we will continue to lose. That is the one variable that I feel is certain.
Under performed just covers too much ground.
He had difficulty with the 49ers and their Cover 2 taking away what they do best. So is the solution to change the QB performance or do something with the offense? M3's answer was to lean heavier on the run game to make the team pay for playing Cover 2. Outside of running short crossing stuff like the Patriots and Broncos, that might be the Packers best answer until they find a TE who can also extract a price from a Cover 2.
Prior to Lacy, if you were a team that plays Cover 2 and can't rush the passer (recent Bears or current Bucs) then Rodgers will just move and wait for Cobb or Nelson to find a hole in the zone.
Last year with screens and this year with shakedowns, we began to see the old Holmgren WCO answer to tight coverage.
The Seahawks are another matter entirely. The Packers can run on them, but not when they leverage against it. However, this Packers team can pass block them, and in single safety, someone will be open. A healthy Rodgers puts 30 on this year's banged up Seahawks defense.
We have members here that actually or seem to me to believe that Aaron Rodgers is the 'GREATEST NFL QB Ever !
Is there any accounting for such delusion?
Greatness isn't a label you attach to a QB:
a) Who has in 11 play off games A 6-5 RECORD.
b) Take away the 2010-11 season has a 2 W - 4 L play off record.
Ya, he's pretty good.
Why would you take away the 2010 season - unless you are deliberately trying to make him look worse? LOL funny stuff, woody. Here's an idea - take away all Rodger's TD passes and then ask - what has he really done? Not much, man. What a loser! No TDs! And some people are trying to say he's the greatest guy since Jesus! At least Earl Thomas likes him, even if stalwart Packer fans like Woody have abandoned him! :) :)
I think there's a pretty even handed view out there about his play. Most will call it as they see it. He was on the loser list for the game after all:
http://packerrats.com/showthread.php...ckers-Seahawks
I think he's had a good share of blame come his way for the loss.
If you take away all of Eddie Lacy's runs over 10 yards, he's not very productive.
If you take away all of Clay Matthews' sacks and pressures, he's a pretty average linebacker
For what it is worth I have issues with the schematics at times too. To me questioning a play call or game management decision is always so convenient when it doesn't work. If the opposite decision was made, (ie throwing instead of running the clock down and going for it on 4th and goal) with a negative outcome, there would be just as much criticism. That's why I have to look at execution first and foremost, with the opportunities the scheme presented. And the opportunities were ample, and enough to win that game. Even if you want to blame 100% of the accuracy issues on the calf, (which I find absurd but let's say that for arguments sake), the decision making and mental focus was poor. I'm not sure how you can argue that. Both interceptions were easily avoidable, and were momentum killers. There are other examples through out the game, but just omit those 2 bonehead decisions and we win that game. The scheme and coaching will never be perfect and will always be subject to the criticism of hindsight. Aaron will also never be perfect, but he needs to be much more smart and efficient for us to win more championships.
Wow, just looking up Marino's numbers.
He put over 5,000 yards in 1984 with 48 TDs. Then he went for 4,000+ the next two seasons.
http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/ar..._head_18182558
Rodgers Correlation: Feroscious Front Four Debunked.
By: Thomas Hobbs
Comment woodbuck27;
Does Aaron Rodgers have a particular weakness vs certain defenses? This article endeavours to answer certain questions in regards of how a team might get and edge over Aaron Rodgers skills.
ie ... Is he weaker Vs strong Defensive Lines or the Cover-2 defense as that question came up in 2013?
Saying decision making by the QB is poor is just the same hindsight as questioning the play calling.
Cobb has said he made the wrong adjustment on his, so we can bypass the problem with Rodgers execution on that one.
I would love to learn how you are able to deduce a players "focus" level from watching on TV. Is it the same method as determining their "fire"?
He was looking right at that group of players, you should watch some of the detailed replays...he didn't have to throw the ball just because Cobb ran the wrong break. I get that is is snap second timing, but he could have not thrown the ball. And the pick to Sherman was an awful decision. Throwing up a jumpball banking on Davante freaking Adams vs arguably the best corner in the game is stupid. Also on the last drive he throws a back shoulder to Richard Rodgers and a long sideline route to James Starks(low percentage plays), missing open Nelson and Adams underneath for first down yardage.
Basically what you are saying is you can't critique any of Aaron's performance form the NFC championship game. All of it was out of his hands. Accuracy, execution, and decision making are not his fault. It's silly. Really I expect Aaron to step up, and some of you come up with one excuse after another. First it was the calf, then the defense, now the calf , and the coaching, and the receivers, and his sandy vagina. HE COULDN'T OUTPLAY A QB HAVING A CAREER WORST DAY HANDING HIM A TRIP TO THE SUPER BOWL! He wet the bed. Sorry.
You have an agenda, and that is the coaching is bad and that's what needs to change. Therefore removing any accountability from the qb is absolutely necessary.
Nope. The only way to know a person's motivations is to be that person. And even then the knowledge is not 100% reliable.
If you can tell me with a straight face you wouldn't have criticized different decisions that also resulted in negative outcomes then ok.
You guys act like it's a no brainer to have your gimpy sloppy qb throwing the ball up by 12 with 5 minutes left. Again if he had thrown incomplete passes on all 3 downs you would have bitched about the ridiculous coaching. Or God forbid an interception with 5 minutes left! And if on several of the 4th and short plays had we been stuffed and turned the ball over instead of getting fgs you would have bitched about that too.
I see a lot of circular logic here. Aaron had a bad game because of of his calf and the defense, causing him to be inaccurate and make bad decisions. YET, McCarthy is an idiot for not trusting him to convert first downs and complete passes without making mistakes when the clock running was our best friend.. ????? Can't have it both ways.