Haha, well he just got injured on Sunday. I just wasn't sure whether they were using him or somebody else in the Harvin role over the second half of the year.
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IMO seattle isn't a particularly bad matchup for our defense. They know how to run the ball but this is still the NFL and that's not enough. Our secondary is no legion of boom but against Baldwin and Kearse they might as well be. Without Percy's contributions as a receiver and rusher I expect a weaker opponent against a better defense than we saw in week 1.
My questions are on offense. Its a big exaggeration to say we need to be perfect, if any NFL offense is perfect its a blowout. It'd sure help the cause if we didn't string together three possessions where we turn it over on downs, throw a pick, and fumble for a safety. Its going to take a lot less Sherrod and a lot more of a running game if we want to knock out the champs.
As I said - our defense against the Cowboys was shit... I gave 3 game changing plays that had they gone the other way, we would have given up 40ish points and 450ish yds - at least.
Those 3 plays went our way, we got lucky - and the Cowboys did us favor after favor with their very questionable playcalling.
We won, so we take it - now we go to Seattle and face the music.
As I said, I think Seattle is beatable - but I think it requires a team that is built differently than we are. They ran for 207 yds against us in the opener; Wilson did anything he wanted - and laughed about it; they gimmicked us several times - and laughed about that!!!
We're simply overmatched in the coaching department - our defense vs their offense; and their great strength, their defense, is greater than our great strength, our offense.
That's the way the game shapes up... similar score to the opener I think. We have a punchers chance, but we need a shit-ton of luck, and bounces, and timely penalties go our way to have any chance at all.
Anybody seen what the line is??
Once again, the Seattle O-line is noticeably less awesome than the Dallas O-line, and in general, the Dallas offense is much better than Seattle's offense.
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How do you beat the Seahawks?
Well - here's one way:
http://youtu.be/VVrsGHs2MCk?t=2m58s
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I'm no expert on the Sea Squawks but whenever I turn them on I see Wilson completing big play passes to Baldwin and Kearse, and sometimes even their anonymous TEs. I am sure that is at least partly attributable to the amount of attention the opposing defense is paying to the running game, but it does make me wonder whether their wides are really that bad or if they're just underutilized. In what ways do they suck?
I think they do a great job of setting defenses up... like they did to us in the opener, when Lockette scored on that 30 somthing yd TD.
They had run that read option to Shields side a few times, and saw that dunderdummy was crashing Shields and turning coverage of the WR over to the Safety - rookie HHCD. They faked the read option - and as it turns out Lynch didn't even dive into the line, he drifted out in front of Wilson to provide passpro, if needed; HHCD had far too much distance to cover to get to Lockette, Wilson delivered the ball and Lockette had plenty of time to make a move on the hard charging HHCD - easy, and embarrassing TD.
The Seattle coaching staff simply outcoached dunderdummy on that play... which is easy enough to do.
But that is how they spring their under-talented WR's... they set defenses up for it beautifully. Yes, accounting for the run has a lot to do with it, but that doesn't mean a defense has to go unsound to account for the run and still leave their DB's in sound coverage.
In terms of the chess match - dunderdummy is way out of his depth against the Seahawks. I'll be shocked if they don't hit us for multiple big, easy, embarrassing plays, and it has nothing to do with talent, everything to do with coaching and preparation.
We need to tack up wist's posts to the Seattle locker room, so they can get cocky and over confident.
They are beatable. Without watching the games, I have seen that Seattle has been in close games with crappy teams until the very end when a pick six or something made it look like a blowout. Our gameplan week 1, combined with a new center, combined with us generally starting the year like crap means this should be a competitive game. I'm more confident we win this game than I was before the Dallas game.
Seahawks offensively have been thriving on big plays. They don't get a lot of 10-15 play drives for TD's. If the Packers can take away the big plays, they have a chance to force the Seahawks to kick field goals when they do move the ball into Packer territory. A couple of weeks ago, the Cardinals were playing tough defense against them until the let Luke Wilson get behind them for an 80 yard TD pass. Last week it was Jermaine Kearse for a 63 yard TD pass. Can't let that happen.
Wilson definitely squeezes out every drop of potential those guys have. Lately it does seem like their passing game has been thriving from all the jag on bum matchups available to them over the last couple of months. Both Baldwin and Kearse can disappear for long stretches because neither gets much separation. Baldwin is best as a slot guy, more quick than fast and good at finding room against the zone 7 and 8 man box defenses everyone plays against Seattle. Kearse is the bigger, faster, stronger of the two but isn't really a possession receiver. He's like what Kevin Dorsey will be in a year or so. He's come up big for them in the playoffs last year but as a finesse 9-route receiver without elite size he's the exact type of guy Shields and Tramon erase from existence even if he weren't the poor man's version of a receiver in his mold. To their credit both are serviceable blockers. Lord knows they get enough practice.
They will slaughter us like Yeoman Jensen on an away mission in Star Trek.
You know, I don't think our corners have been able to come down with a jump ball in a while. I think we're due for one.
Seattle would have to drive a bus of virgins into the mount rainier volcano to score 36 again without a bunch of help from our offense. That was the 2nd highest they scored all season and a lot of things had to go just right for it to happen.
Anger, guys pissed at the opening loss.
And on a minor note, Dan Quinn Hawk DC is in line for the ATL HC gig.
Remember when we had the one loss team, but Joe PHilbin's kid died and he was up for the Miami HC gig? That shit messes you up. As it will mess up SEA. Better troops, motivated boys on D will make their plays in this game and we will go on to the SB as the team favored to beat Indy, the upset winner over NE.
Hey, it's my dream, ain't it.
KY, no way their DC will be a distraction. Seattle defense plays like terminators or Aliens - they don't give a shit about anything going on around them but coming after you and beating the living hell out of you. Packers will have to have a sustained, four quarter physical and mental toughness to beat 'em. But they have to be smart. Lacy can't be all like lowering his helmet to prove how tough he is, because that's what gets him KO'ed from the game.
To Wist's point about giving up big plays, Wilson has shown that even if you rush him and get through a line that is not as solid this year, he can break contain and kill you with big runs, and then slide to avoid contact whenever he wants. I know the NFL is trying to protect QB's in the open field, but I really don't like how they can just become like sliding base-runners and just give themselves up when the tacklers are coming. The running backs must love the fact that they are still fair game for getting the crap kicked out of them when they get in the open field. I'm sure you know what you're signing up for.
The tall order is setting the edge to contain Wilson and getting Lynch to the ground regularly, and minimizing his affect. Our run defense was much worse at the start of the season than it is now, but they are still not shut down. I think Burnett has to have a career game, perhaps at the LOS if they decide to challenge Wilson to beat them from the pocket, which assume any success stopping the run. Gap discipline and not falling for their misdirection stuff will also be key.
Nick Perry needs to shine.
They don't have to score every time, but Green Bay needs to move the ball every time. They can't take too many 3 and outs or negative plays. No sacks, no penalties, try to stay in positive plays, even if they're short. Get at least a few first downs to keep Seattle from ratcheting field position down. They make a lot of hay that way.
It's going to be interesting. Seattle's last several games against bottom-tier offenses would be like the Packers closing out the season playing Washington, Tennessee, Atlanta, and 3 games against the Bears -- pure strength against pure weakness. That doesn't mean Green Bay won't struggle against them but they'll have their hands full with the Packers offense.
I have no doubt Cobb would be willing to take on a LB in the hole, I hope M3 doesn't ask. I think the writer meant the Packers wide run where the slot guy crashes down into a LB to create an edge.
Perry is definitely going to get some snaps and his bull rush will be precisely what we want versus Wilson. And if Boyd is limited, Jones and Pennel will as well. One of those guys having a play in base D would be great.
from a Seattle fan board:
"The Lions and Bucs hardly bothered him with their pass rush, but I found something very interesting about Buffalo. Number 55, Hughes is a standup RDE who gave Rodgers fits the whole game. Rodgers was never comfortable because Hughes was constantly around his blindside and he could feel that pressure. There were way more inaccurate throws against Buffalo than against Tampa and Detroit. The reason this is interesting is because from play one he reminded me of a poor mans Bruce Irvin. If you ask me for one serious key to this game I'm saying Irvin getting blindside pressure could be a key. Irvin takes less upfield chances than he did in previous years and he finds ways to move the QB off his spot without having to rush deep around the tackle. That's exactly what Hughes did and all game I thought, "That's Irvin." When Rodgers has pressure in his face he moves around deftly and makes throws no one else can make. Against Buffalo, Hughes was constantly making him move and he wasn't nearly as accurate."
The combination of the pressure and the coverage is what kills a QB (any QB, including Rodgers), because it erodes confidence. Especially if the QB knows the pressure is coming from the blind spot. Makes him nervous and jumpy, less patient in going through progressions and getting the ball out. This is probably the biggest key to the game. Packers solve the pressure, especially blindside pressure, then everything else will fall in line. Need the run game to slow that down and need Bakhtiari to have a solid game.
with their weak WR corp we have to play more base defense don't we? Bring in Perry, move clay inside w/ SB, and Pep on the other side.
IMO this isn't a game for Hyde to play a ton on defense. our corners have to earn their paychecks and shut those guys down so we can bottle up Lynch.
Irvin isn't Hughes, but Bach has to be stout, I think that observation is correct.
Fosco's link, the Seattle Defense 3 GIF is an example of a Packer package play. There are routes downfield, Rodgers passes right but watch Bach on the left. He cuts the RDE (successfully) and Kuhn or someone is open short for what is essentially a naked screen. Bulaga blew his cut block though so Rodgers had to delay what was going to be a screen to Lacy and that delay allowed the D to rally forward.
well I hope that we learned something in Buf plus w/ Rodgers lack of mobility. If we can have the RB help out on that side and slip off into the flat every so often maybe we can neutralize that threat effectively. This all goes back to MM creating the perfect gameplan we will need to beat this defense.
I just hope they're a little use to crappy offenses and take some time to get back on their feet vs our offense and weapons. When you play below average competition and then suddenly face top competition it can be a bit jolting. what was once easy isn't quite as easy and it can take time to adjust.
One key I think will be to take advantage of that and get on the board early in the first few drives and get points before they settle in and do what they do on defense.
Since week 6 Seattle hasn't really faced a good offense.
Oh, yer right.
The Hawks pound on your ass.
The DC situation is a minor distraction, but every little bit helps.
Another factor is that NOBODY is picking us to win.
That helps a pro develop an attitude.
I'm hoping the boys are pissed off and want to get a little professional redemption.
We've evolved into one of the fastest defenses in football. I think we matchup well with Seattles offense.
http://www.seahawks.com/news/article...7-c775f96ba708
18 - number of tackles missed by Packers in Wk1.
That is a huge key!
Everyone s favorite pundit, Ask Vic, stated of the Seabuzzards, teams that hit don't like to be hit. I think the Pack, especially the O-Line, come out with something to prove and pound Lacy up their ass like a Starbux enema.
+1. Seattle is fast, but not very big up front.
I think the Seattle D is a little worse than they were in week 1 and our offense is a whole lot better than early in the year.
-Development of Adams and Rodgers
-Normal slow start by the Packer OL
-Sherrod at RT
-Lacy slow start this year