Ahh No !Quote:
Originally Posted by QBME
This is what makes Packerrats get to the level of ' It's at it's best ! ' :duel:
Ahh No !Quote:
Originally Posted by QBME
This is what makes Packerrats get to the level of ' It's at it's best ! ' :duel:
I suspect he is a Native and 'off the Warpath'. :idea:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rutnstrut
pbmax do NOT waste your Posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbmax
In Canada we might say your a Jean Beliveau or a Bobby Orr away from 50 K Posts. They both are Famous NO. 4 NHL Hockey Jersey Wearers.
Actually... there was once upon a time a Famous Man that wore NO.4 in Green Bay.
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Your 'All Day Sucker' is almost gone.
Ahh Ed... got it, to a point...Quote:
Originally Posted by woodbuck27
It's important in all these publicized police encounters to remember, in particular at the beginning, the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by QBME
1) You weren't there
2) You don't know all the facts
3) the first reports are always the least accurate
4) your bias affects your interpretation
5) The media have and will frame the story according to their biases, including presenting altered audio or video
Just to clarify - do you believe that only a minority (the exceptions) of police departments are well-run?Quote:
Originally Posted by pbmax
I have no idea how many would qualify as well run or what percentage. What I was referring to was their ability to be publicly administered or self correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand
Because there is little baseline reporting on police interactions (the reports the feds put together must be supplemented by digging through public records to catch missed events from some departments that don't report at all) means that reporting and tracking is difficult. So I am not sure what the benchmarks would be for well run.
But improvement is hard if there is no self correct mechanism. And lack of reporting reinforces that.
gotcha. thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbmax
And you think that's right? Some idiot cop could have slipped a bit and ended you. And for what? Where was the threat that justified them aiming live weapons at you? Insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand
Cops are not the best of the best. They're not the worst either, but they hardly represent our finest. Many are jags, and you're lucky to be alive after an encounter like that. If you were anything but an old white man you'd probably be dead.
LOL there is a zero percent chance you're not a middle-aged white man. LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by bobblehead
I don't really care either way but why turn the body cams off? You only turn that shit off to do some shady stuff.
In other racial news, 1 1/2 of the final two playing for the women's championship of the U.S. Open Tennis Tournament are black - and AMERICAN!
Funny how good news ends up in the back of the bus compared to irrelevant shit with the damn fake news media.
wait, they still play professional tennis?Quote:
Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker
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Originally Posted by call_me_ishmael
I know, it's all sunshine and rainbows in your little safe corner of reality. But there are a lot of places in the US of A where crime rates are high, people rob and shoot each other, and that thin blue line exists to protect people. Even churches exist in high crime areas, section 8 housing areas, where people have stolen weapons that they use against each other and the cops. Yeah, the cops draw guns when they don't know what's inside a building they think may be being robbed by an unknown number of unknown people. Again, I recommend following police instructions. It lowers your chances of being shot dead.
The police have ZERO reasons to pull a gun on someone over suspected petty theft. Get real. That is 100% delusional and you're rationalizing unacceptable behavior. In most of the developed world, police rarely pull out guns. Feel free to take it to FYI.
Like I said, you live in some fantasy world, where B&E is a television channel, not a group of guys robbing and carrying. In the real world, especially places like Cleveland where there are over 120 different gangs, all armed, cops face different circumstances than those imagined in your naive, childish skull.Quote:
Originally Posted by call_me_ishmael
Doesn't matter. You as a citizen have a right to not have your brain blown in by some nervous cop who decided to prematurely pull out his piece.
that's a total non sequitur, iow it's par for the course for you and your sophomoric rhetoric.Quote:
Originally Posted by call_me_ishmael
I know these narratives aren't as interesting if they are evidence-based, but I wish they'd report the timestamp of when a body cam was last running. If you turn your camera off DURING an escalating situation then some guy ends up beaten, well that implies about as much guilt as refusing a breathalyzer.
This Bennett incident does seem like a decent litmus test for tribalism. Your options of narratives include the uncharitable Bennett whose publicly advertised the axe he's grinding, or the narrative of a police union who will reliably protect any officer no matter what.
Absolutely. Any officer who does something like this should never police again and be charged with something, depending on the particular incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3irty1
And this whiny ass poster says I must be white, as if that has anything to do with what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon494
I disagree Pb, and I respect your opinion in most things. An officer approaching ANY individual in a possible crime probably should have his firearm drawn until he has reason to believe he DOESN'T need it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbmax
I tend to agree, but I THINK its not mandatory at this point in Las Vegas. I will say that their cameras being off lends credibility to Bennett's side of the story though.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbmax
I just realized you are one post from 50k.. I can be a complete dick to you and you dare not waste that post on pettiness :) I won't though. I respect the 50k too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbmax
Particularly in cases where they can't see what they're facing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobblehead
Our personal perspectives are so dramatically different than the police officer. We know we're innocent, but they have to assume the worst, or they get shot. Especially in areas with high crime, high levels of gang activity, stolen gun possession, etc. etc.
I don't respect it at all! I will keep taunting him to waste his 'epic' post on some trivial response!Quote:
Originally Posted by bobblehead
Paul Molitor?Quote:
Originally Posted by woodbuck27
I am well above middle class thank you very much. 100% self made as well. I already posted my age, so that was easy. Do you consider someone with significant hebrew and native american blood white? just checking. Come to vegas, we'll have a beer. You will see I'm not the devil you think I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by call_me_ishmael
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRKtflyhuecQuote:
Originally Posted by call_me_ishmael
Lotta videos of situations where there is "ZERO reasons to pull a gun". And these guys were suspected of traffic violations at the point they were pulled over.
A man washing windows on the Milwaukee Journal/Sentinel building in downtown Milwaukee was shot yesterday when a drive-by gunman missed the parked car he was shooting at:Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand
http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/c...ice/642951001/
BS alert. Nobody is self made. I don't think you're the devil :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bobblehead
Sounds like white guilt to me. On a technical argument, no one is self made. For intents of the term as it applies today....I came from nothing and achieved the Dream. Never handed a big education. Never handed a job. Never handed a thing. I had a good mother, that was worth everything to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by call_me_ishmael
A decent MLB player but hardly the MAN wearing The Number 4 you might have named if.......you ..... weren't such a ........... (" I enjoy being such a " bobblehead ) ............ pain in the A$$. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by bobblehead
Man you've got it all.....but.... I bet you cannot tell us how many feathers there are on a Penguin?Quote:
Originally Posted by bobblehead
Being perfectly judicious with the state's monopoly of force when milliseconds matter is not a great job for hairless apes to have to do. By whatever rational one can conceive of a legitimate police force, taking this fact into account will mean they must have considerable leeway for their situational judgement. There will always be comparable situations where one cop will use force while another tolerates more personal risk to deescalate the situation completely. This makes it tempting to move the goalposts on cops, expecting typical duty to include heroics and attributing the lesser outcome to officer prejudice.
You didn't build that!Quote:
Originally Posted by call_me_ishmael
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Originally Posted by woodbuck27
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Only if you tell me the airspeed on an unladen swallowQuote:
Originally Posted by woodbuck27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liIlW-ovx0Y
Don't forget the capital of Assyria
About a year ago there was a local Mke news story about an aide who struck a special needs child. One of the other special needs children had a cell phone out and was rolling, this being a Milwaukee public school, so we got to see the aide losing her temper and striking the boy. In the earliest reports you saw the whole thing. The aide was angry and frustrated and the students were being loud and disrespectful. She suddenly backhanded the boy, but it was clear that she pulled the punch, as it were. Think of the dad hitting John Travolta in the hair at the dinner table in Saturday Night Fever. It was a "What's the matter with you?" smack. [At this point I interject to say that the aide should have been fired. Violence is unacceptable in the classroom, and even such a minor smack as the one the aide delivered represents a failure in temperament that must not be tolerated or excused.] But the television stations, sensing their story about classroom violence was being undercut by the cellphone video's portrayal of the aide's "Leave it to Beaver" level of pugilism, began editing the video to pause at the moment of impact. This is the moment the student flinched and just before the aide's hand began to draw back. Eureka! Much more violenter!Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand
Alas, the aide was black so the story lacked legs, and I doubt anyone even got paid by the MMSD, though there was some quick lawyering up. That doctored video would have been a pretty big deal had it been a white aide. Dang it.