Doesn't Rodgers need to scramble and throw on the run because he is waiting for the secondary offense to get someone open?
He has to be near the top of holding onto the ball.
That's the story some like to pass off as a defense of the O Line hahahahaha. Maybe he has to wait for the "secondary offense" to get open because receivers don't do a very good job of getting open as the play is called - which I guess would be the "primary offense".
Any way you look at it, supporting personnel has gotten more and more mediocre doing things Ted's way. Hopefully that will get turned around on both O and D with Gutekunst.
That's a valid point. All I can say is, you have to throw the ball down the field at least part of the time. It all come back to the fact that Aaron Rodgers is just so damn good that he can succeed most of the time even with poor O Line blocking and not much separation from his receivers - when he has to scramble and throw on the run. There wasn't much McCarthy could do in the short term to improve the O Line.
When Hundley got thrown in there, he obviously couldn't do what Aaron Rodgers could do, but what I'm saying is that virtually nobody could. I'm also saying, an immobile QB, whether veteran or young, would have floundered a lot worse with our O Line and our receivers.
Career low YPC for Cobb and Nelson this season. Adams dropped a yard and a half per catch. Everything was a bubble screen, or a 5 yard out. It was low level college O. He was a bad QB this year no matter the metric you pick. Maybe he’ll get better, maybe he won’t. All I know is what I saw on the field.
I was disappointed by Hundley this year. Is that an understatement? I had higher hopes and higher wants as trade value. However I still believe Cobb and Nelson can be useful with Aaron on the field. That doesn't mean I wouldn't draft more WR talent if available.
We'll never know if Seneca Wallace could have won a couple of games for us or not in 2013 because he got hurt during his second drive of his first game. Tolzien didn't have a clue what he was doing mainly cuz he was only in town a few days. Was Flynn available at the end of TC that year?
I'd prefer Gutey would draft a mid round QB and spend most of his draft and FA capital on defense and a TE with speed.
You’ll be hard pressed to find guys faster than Davis and Janis. Just need one (or 3) of them to actually be a WR and not just a ST player.
Excellent Point! We will have a new WR coach now; Hopefully somebody can persuade McCarthy to actually play those two plus Clark and Yancy. If it's really true that those young guys weren't ready to get on the field - something I very much doubt, then it means negligent coaching them up, not stupidity on the part of the players.
I've been pushing for Janis for a LONG time. He's done damn good almost every chance he has been given - GIVE HIM MORE CHANCES!
Sportradar rates Packers receivers as NFL's slowest
http://www.packersnews.com/story/spo...st/1007206001/
No QB can throw a tortoise open......
I feel the need for speed
If we look at every pass play in the N.F.L. this season through Week 16, and then average the top speed of each receiver across all of those plays, the Rams have the fastest group with an average of 13.32 m.p.h. The Raiders, at 11.96, are slower than every other team except for the Packers, who are more than a mile and a half per hour slower than the Rams at 11.74 m.p.h.
Its an aggregate of each player's single top recorded speed in a game this year by team, averaged. It says nothing about average speed. There doesn't appear to be a minimum amount of plays for the player to be counted. It's not great data, but it could be a bit telling I suppose.
I've often said Packer WRs can't get open. Top end speed doesn't help much with that though.
I would have zero problem totally rebooting the WR and pass rushing groups this off-season. The Packers haven't been able to get open or get deep since early 2015. Remember 2011 where we seemingly hit a 50 yard bomb weekly. I miss that.
Well, it is one thing to be fast. It is completely different to be fast, catch the ball and actually run the play that was called.
It does help to have a deep threat though. During much of James Jones' career, he was halped by the fact that the Packers had Greg Jennings and Jordy Nelson, guys who had deep speed that defenses had to respect. The Packers need to get back to drafting one of those types of guys. It would Adams even better.
It also helped to have James Jones, who despite pedestrian speed somehow got an angle on DBs. Once he learned to catch over the shoulder he was a nightmare to cover deep.
Mostly I think his advantage was size and the willingness to run some inside routes. DBs had to honor his feints inside.
We do need "speed demons" - more accurately, we need to make more use of the ones we already have, Janis at the top of the list, but Davis and Yancy also. The lack of speed at WR allows defenses to pack it in and make it a lot more difficult even for shorter throws.