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Imagine if BB never left Cleveland and achieved even half the success as he did in NE. I think the city would have renamed itself after him.
Has anyone else noticed an uncanny resemblance to Jerry Lundegaard, the car dealer in Fargo?
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Think he smeared the draft card?
1 18 Jaire Alexander CB Louisville
2 13 (45) Josh Jackson CB Iowa
3 24 (88, from CAR) Oren Burks LB Vanderbilt
4 33 (133 comp) J'Mon Moore WR Missouri
5 1 (138) Cole Madison OL Washington State
5 35 (172 comp) JK Scott P Alabama
5 37 (174 comp) Marquez Valdes-Scantling WR South Florida
6 33 (207, comp) Equanimeous St. Brown WR Notre Dame
7 14 (232) James Looney DE California
7 21 (239) Hunter Bradley LS Mississippi State
7 30 (248, from SEA) Kendall Donnerson OLB SE Missouri State
Okay, here is the skinny...
I really liked what Gute did in FA and on Day 1 of the draft. (Stop)
I can live with Josh Jackson in the 2nd. (Stop)
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Everything thereafter is WTF????
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- Burks is the worst player in the history of college football. Simply, "WOW" terrible... Great athlete, great combine - worst football player to ever put pads on.
- I like the WR's we picked as players, but all of them are vertical players - just not sure how they fit MM's offense. Still, they are pretty talented, so we'll see.
- Can live with the Madison pick. Typical Packer OL pick.
- 2 Special Teams guys?? WTF??
- Didn't even attempt to address pass rush, or OLB. This is the one that really has me saying WTF??
Matthews is slowing down, so is Perry. Wilkerson has to rebound to contribute. Based on comments from the podium, they appear to be banking on Gilbert a lot.
The fact that they even mentioned Biegel as a possible contributor speaks to how desperate the situation is.
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4 players needed to be shown the door this offseason: Randall, Fackrell, Jon Ryan, and Biegel.
I applauded his dumping of Randall, but if they think they are going to get any production out of those other 3 guys, they are completely deluded.
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I think a lot of the same organizational problems that have plagued the Packers for many years are still there. Next year - the predraft buzz will be all about pass rush, and I seriously doubt the Packers front office will make the necessary moves to get this team over the top.
Overall, after a very encouraging start to the Gute era, I think it is obvious it is the "same old Packers".
GOOTEY COULD HAVE NAILED THIS DRAFT BUT TRADING UP FIVE SPOTS AND NAB HAROLD LANDRY IN ROUND 2; instead Tennessee jumped in front of us and got him
Last 6 years....one OLB in rounds 1-3....and does Fackrelll really even count ????
BIEGEL...wisty...you haven't seen enough to give him the Fackrell grade already
You might be right but give him one year before you throw him in the shitter.
Agree with the rest.
Former Green Bay Packer GM Ron wolf was asked to comment on new Packer GM Brian Gutekunst's first NFL DRAFT; and his response ...
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You just can't make that stuff up !
So...building on this post and Bretsky's, I think it was, would you Packerrats prefer the draft class as is, or Harold Landry instead of Jackson in the second, which would cost you one of your two fourths plus a fifth, which means you'd give up that punter and that Joe Thomas-like third round guy?
In other words, Wist, while you and I have serious disagreements in many ways, I agree with much of your analysis above.
Now there's a man who understands what it means to be a fan.
I tip my hat to you. Well played.
Maybe this will help those of you who think Burks can’t play a lick of football.
http://www.patriots.com/video/2018/0...-lb-vanderbilt
I think maybe he can play a little.
I'll go one step more and tossing this Draft in the Shitter:
I feel it surpassed every TT Draft in terms of 'WTF was that Pick about'? How was that even possible !?
Was TT there screaming NO ! I want my Guy !?
Brian Gutekunst is the GM of a Pro Football team NOT a Track and Field Team.
Pick Football Players not Track Stars.
I wasn't at all impressed with the Packers War Rom performance Thursday Night. That was a sad case of too much Razzle Dazzle and frankly the New Packer GMis getting the blame for that charade of serious ERROR. He blew it frankly and I'll write down one name to place an accent on the degree of his failure...ILB Tremaine Edmunds and his 7.17 GRADE or OK Two and add Safety Derwin James and his 6.44 Grade.
This Draft we saw the clearest example of PANIC and obviously either bad preperation or the wrong man calling the wrong Final decisions and the Actual Picks. Even when I was calling for a certain Position Pick they only got it half right. There were no Home Runs except I was mildly pleased to see who the Packers landed at Pick NO, 45. I was surprised that they went CB and then another CB but the fact that CB - Joshua Jackson was available, might have turned that trick.
I posted this elsewhere. THe conclusion that the NFL is in collusion is over the TOP too obvious now.
As a part of that agreement it sure seems like the "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" Policy fPact is in.
I can see the Green Bay Packer Grade (s) now and all 'the Packerrat Cool Aid Drinkers' shouting 'see that..that was a GREAT Draft afterall'. GREAT DRAFT for the Packers !? If that Draft earns the Packers higher than a C + Grade that supports 'a collusion policy'.
That wasn't even close to a good Draft. That DRAFT simply sucked hugh air right out of the throats of Packer Nation. That was a horrible Draft on Paper. That was a disgrace and embarrassment to Packer Nation.
How much really did that Draft help our strength or the Packer Offense?
Was the weakness on the RHS of the Packer OL addressed? A solid GUARD or Tackle.
Did Brian Gutekunst and his Draft Team (all of his Scouting Dept.) come up with anything even resembling a decent shot of a compliment to WR Davante Adams? That draft all but ensured that Adams will be nullified in 2018.
Te NFL is like a chess match today. You need the brains to compete or you simply must lose the Chess Game. The Collective Brains of the Green Bay Packer BRASS looked fried this past three days.
This DRAFT 'on Paper' was a disaster.
[QUOTE=mraynrand;974278]If Jackson turns out better than Landry, then I say keep as is. If Landry turns out better, I'd like to go back in time and change the draft.[/QUOTE
Pussy...lol
Given our roster, I'm moving up all day long for Landry. Even if they are equivalent players, there were opportunities to get quality CB's later..aka....Nelson.......
I mentioned something in the draft thread that Landry looked like a one trick pony to me - shoulder dip upfield and that's it. I like the Jackson pick because of the way he plays, and I'd stay with him if it were my choice. I worry that he's mostly faced some pretty rotten QBs.
Classic Dark Comedy ala 'a Packer GM Brian Gutekunst media interview' after the Packers War Room Razzle Dazzle in Round One of the Draft:
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[Practices calling Wade Gustafson his Father in Law after wifey is kidnapped]
Yah, Wade, It's Jerry, I ... Yah, Wade, it's, I, it's Jerry... I don't know what to do it's Jean. I don't know what to do it's my wife. I don't know what to do it's Jean. Wade, it's Jerry, I ... Wade, it's Jerry! We gotta talk! Oh, geez, it's terrible... [calls the number] Yah, Wade Gustafson, please.
The potential upside is huge. Dude could be a monster at ILB, maybe even outside a bit too. But that's not where the team was hurting the most. This was a need draft. Not only do the Packers need corners but they are going to need them to start. That Edmunds kid is a lot more raw than the Packer CBs.
I really like N Nelson form the Mighty Badgers
CB's were so deep this year they were there in round 4 and 5
Elite talent LB'ers were not.
Edmunds is a high risk/high reward guy though. He's only 19.
I worry we had a chance to get an elite person on defense...and we never get that shot because we never draft this high
Hope we made the right call.
I can’t figure out the Nick Nelson love. He made big plays but got beat a lot this year.
When asked Former Packer GM responded yes he failed in his inaugural Draft..
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Brian Gutekunst Blew the Draft with one name:
** Tremaine Edmunds
** Tremaine Edmunds - VIRGINIA TECH
Rnd 1, Pick 16 ILB Buffalo Bills - Junior - GRADE = 7.17
Pick Analysis:
He doesn't turn 20 until May 2. He's an off the ball linebacker and some people think he's so talented, he might even be a pass rusher on third down. His future is immense. He's got this rare size and skill set that gives him a sub-package versatility that is unknown in today's game. --Mike Mayock
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/tremai...0-412c60099aca
Overview
Edmunds combines elite size, speed and explosiveness into a productive, versatile linebacker package that will have evaluators salivating. Edmunds has posted high-impact production over the last two seasons and he still has room to get bigger and better. He will make mental mistakes and his instincts are subpar, but he has an ability to mitigate those issues with his athletic ability. Edmunds can play in any alignment at any linebacker spot and has All-Pro potential no matter where he lands.
I'm glad to see you posting wist43.
Take it really easy Packer fan.
Noone with even half a brain is going to defend The Packer BRASS and this real mess over that past three days.
The Saturday Night LIVE comedy writers couldn't write it up any more screwey.
Let's call it a Rookie GM Panic Attack. :huh:
I don't necessarily think the draft was that deep at CB this year. There were 4 CBs that I felt really good about (Ward, Alexander, Oliver, Josh Jackson). There were a few others that I liked (Dawson, Hughes, Donte Jackson). A couple of boom or bust prospects (Averett, Davis). After that, it wasn't overly impressive. There were some with good sleeper potential (Nelson, Hill, Maddox).
Looking ahead a couple of years, I was hoping that we could be in the conversation for a SB title in 2020.
My hope was that Gute would get a lot of prospects in the pipeline this year, and he has for the most part; but the organization has completely blown off upgrading the pass rush, and that will set the team back at least another year - now the best case might be that we push for an NFCCG appearance by 2021; and, that is only assuming they go all-in on rebuilding the pass rush next year. Something that is certainly not a given.
To hear Gute and MM talk as if Fackrell and Biegel are legit options was very disheartening. Fackrell will be cut before next season, and Biegel is a long shot at best. There's some talent on the DL, but the overall LB corp is so weak that there is no way this team can compete with the elite teams in the league.
I like the WR's they brought in, and I think they fixed the secondary for the most part, but ignoring the pass rush like they did is really going to set the team back.
I'm pretty pleased with what I saw from Gute.
First that was some impressive navigating in the first round. When you're a team that wins in the NFL you have to get value wherever you can find it and I think that happened. Since exploiting loopholes and competitive advantages ain't cheating, you all know what to do if you find yourself in a position to push Drew Brees into traffic in the next few months.
Deja vu drafting back to back corners again, but I'm glad these guys aren't projects. We just can't have too many good corners even with perfect health. The need for pass rush might be a little overstated. Acquiring Peppers was a great opportunity, but we don't absolutely need a 3rd starting caliber OLB. When we won the SB we were thinner there than we are now. Plus there is Pettine to consider, who never even saw a decent OLB until he was in Buffalo yet still managed to make lemonade. What our pass rush needs right now is help in the secondary and lots of it. If these young guys put it together a weakness can be a strength once again.
Drafting the three WR reminds me of last year's approach to running backs. I hope they push each other because if any of them hit we'll finally have one of those big matchup nightmare guys.
Exactly. They got the guy they think is the best prospect from this year's draft class.
Right now, the only LS on the roster is Zack Triner, who also has no NFL experience and has been out of college a couple years.
I expect Goode is their fallback guy again, but they have been trying to find a replacement for him since last year. I think they tried four different one last year, two during the season when Goode was out, but apparently they didn't like any of them well enough to sign them this year.
Right now, LS is a big question mark on this team.
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