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Originally Posted by Bossman641
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Originally Posted by woodbuck27
Given that 'in fact' that's true. What bearing does that have in terms of today? Brett Favre was in effect put out to pature by the Pacxker organizationb and even bribed by the Packers organization to retire from the game he loves.
Favre has integrity. He turned his nose up to that bribe Patler. How many men do you know that would turn down some $20 Millions $'s to retire from whatever? Just take that money and disappar. The fact he refused that offer stands Favre up even bigger in my estimation of that man as someone very special.
I as a Canadian love the NHL and always have followed my favourite team and player (s) ' with this ' as a fact of life in terms of any players career:
When any team trades a star player to another team, or otherwise waives that player or releases him. That player tries his best to shove that decision in his former teams face. To make the former team pay for not believing in him. Often he gets his revenge as he's justly motivated to do so. That's part of being a professional,, and all that which is related to a star or very talented players ego.
It was time for TT to get Favre out of sight and move forward with Aaron Rodgers. We saw that coming the day Aaron Rodgers was drafted. I certainly saw that coming and was concerned that Brett Favre wouldn't set significant personal records in a Packer uniform. Well he did all of that but his main incentive was not records. Rather win another Super Bowl. He came so close again in a Packer uniform and failure never dulled his appetite. The man wants to win very badly.
Try ... try ... try, until you succeed. :D
Once that was done ( culminating in that heart wrenching loss to the NY Giants ). I wanted Favre out of Green Bay. It was obvious to me and some others that we are not seeing around here these days. That there were certain frustrations that seperated the philosophies and intents of Brett Favre and TT. They were on different pages and worlds apart in terms of winning, now and 'YES' despite that ' Brett Favre and the Packers ' came close.
That's an old argument as well, and 'the fact is', and that we enjoy today. Is we're considered contenders to go to a Super Bowl. That's moot considering ' the fact of life ', that it'll be left on the field of play. Our success Vs any teams. We have alot of teams to play and defeat besides the Vikings.
In terms of Brett Favre and his present incentives and direction.
TT's personality and ' the will to win ' is now moot. Favre is free of TT. He certainly wants to demonstrate again this season that he had plenty in the tank when TT went in another direction. See above and National Hockey League players.
By the way the record will clearly demonstrate that personally I've supported that move of Rodgers over Favre by TT and the Packer organization. It was time. Given that was done. What Brett Favre has ever done to support his needs is moot. He's no longer a Packer and free as a professional to make his best deal and with a team he considers a serious contender.
He's not a traitor. Favre is a man on a mission as a Pro atlhlete, and 'of course' that's possibly counter productive to our hopes, and only as he proves himself worthy of playing at a high level and winning the big games. He's fallen down many times but despite all that many NFL fans love him in the game. He's arguably, the most exciting player to ever play the QB position in the NFL.
Aaron Rodgers is our QB now and it's too simple. Suport Aaron Rodgers and certainly use some wisdom in terms of hating Brett Favre. That's just wrong to sick IMO.
Disagreeing with me won't change my position. :D
GO PACKERS!
Seriously Woodbuck, we have seen the timelines. We have discussed the terms of Favre's "retirement" several times. Your inability to even acknowledge the possibility that Favre retired and wanted out as opposed to being pushed out by TT is mind-boggling.
No Man
. Favre had to want to get far away from TT, as it was obvious to me and other's here that TT was not on the same page as Brett Favre RE: win now.
So here is that whole issue as I witnessed it as a member of Packerrats and I will deliver this to you, Bossman641 to try to give you adequate if not maximum respect.
Bossman641. Does any of us at Packerrats or elsewhere, really know exactly what transpired back in the weeks leading up to the 2009 Draft? In terms specifically or not related to Brett Favre coming back as our starting QB? Have we officially heard both sides of that issue or 'the TRUTH'? Have you? I havn't!
All I've read is someone's best case scenario. As accurate as that may have been or is. Do we really know of any or all agenda's? Favre's or TT's? Do you Bossman641? I don't? I may one day when the book arrives on the bookshelves.
Favre always said in the years leading up to the 2009 season that he wanted to feel wanted by the Packer Organization. Wanted ' as our starting QB '.
Let's go back to the real beginning of the move to Aaron Rodgers as our starting QB Bossman641.
In 2005 TT chose Aaron Rodgers in round one of that draft as the heir apparant to Brett Favre. The writing was on the wall and Aaron Rodgers began his tutilage to be our QB. In the 2008 ' off season ' Aaron showed us some promise but he also offered us a question concerning his ability not to have freak accidents (he fell off a bench one time and hurt himself), and otherwise, to remain healthy. I mean this fella looked like an accident looking for a time and a place to happen. Do you re-call that Bossman641?
Favre was running out of time no less, and in the 2008 off season we became well aware of Favre's desires for another star quality WR. To make the march to a Super Bowl, a more realistic proposition. So ... we re-call the whole Randy Moss out of Oakland and to whomever saga that landed Moss in New Englan where he had a monster season (what...23 TD's) with Tom Brady as his QB. Please no comparisons between Brady and Favre in terms of how well or not Moss would have done in Green Bay.
I'm trying to make a specific point here.
As I saw it back in 2008; and debate me as you may desire that. Favre with Moss and all other present company at that time = Super Bowl, too much negative adversity aside.
Some of us here at Packerrats, came to a conclusion that TT fell asleep on failing to bring in Randy Moss. TT's a strange animal to many and fully supported by alot of Packer fans. TT often acted like he was asleep on the job. Personally, I've never been too excited over TT's performance. I'm even on record as claiming that under his tenure as our GM. We won't enjoy a Super Bowl win.
Why do I feel that way? :
TT's not ' balls to the walls ' enough :D Re: Randy Moss, and please don't come back to me on whether you did or did not support Randy Moss in the Green and Gold. Brett Favre wanted him. Because he like some here saw the obvious potential for us to go all the way. To give a more realistic hope to/for us to go to and win a Super Bowl in 2008.
Well New England and Moss got to the show in 2008 and lost to the team we should have beaten. The NY Giants.
Wasn';t it obvious to you Bossman641 that Favre was on his last legs in the Green and Gold. Personally I prayed that the BS he was given would end. I wanted to see Aaron Rodgers in as our starter and Favre retired or elsewhere. I wanted him free of all that is TT. Yes! I supported an awesome HOF QB or Brett Favre over a GM that didn't appear to have blood in his veins as long as Favre was wearing our colors.
I was 'in fact' very pleased for Favre when he was traded to the Jets. I was sick of all the damn agony I saw as TT stalled and poked around. I always believed that one of his main tasks ( assigned bt the real boss's ). Was to as delicately as possible remove Brett Favre.
I'm trying to make a specific point here.
We heard that TT 'thought' he had Randy Moss locked up and so as it was late in his day he went to went to bed thinking Randy Moss was a Packer. Thinking doesn't make it or anything happen ... ever! Do you re-call that Bossman641 as I do?
The bottom line was that in Favre's view TT certainly screwed up again. As Randy Moss's season in New England went down the error TT made had to become more and more obvious to Favre and cause more and more animosity 'only if' he got really weak. I believe that Brett Favre had to come to terms with the rteality of TT as a slow,plodding,bungling type of GM and their personal relationship had to suffer for that. Favre had only so much more time to get to the show. TT had as much time as his superiors desired for him to have after getting Favre out of Green Bay.
Now go back to the playoff game in what Jan. 2005 or our last match-up in the playoffs of the 2004 season after we defeated Minnesota 2X in the regular season and they got out of the gate way too fast. That same game where we almost came back but..re-call Favre's sloppy underhanded pass to the endzone when he could have easily ran the ball into the endzone between the right uprights and RH sideline marker. That NO PLAY was 'just sick' on behalf of Brett Favre.
After that. He had to go 'in the eyes of many'. Yes I believe that play was the catalyst to usher in our current GM. I believe he had to re-build the team and get Favre as best. RETIRED.
Favre always has and stil, does want one thing. To win another Super Bowl. TT did little in terms of making the big move to better ensure that result while Favre was our QB. That is as I see it and agree with me or not. That's what I observed; and it doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to come to the same conclusion as I have since playoff's 2004.