MVP debate: Who's most deserving? A.Rodgers - JJ Watt - T.Brady - P.Manning - D.Murray?

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Originally Posted by pbmax

Well now this all sounds like the Heismann vote, and we will next be determining which regions will vote which way (Southwest for Romo/Watt, Midwest for Rodgers, East for Brady, West for Merlin Olson). Which means this is all a crock of crap.

Change it to the MOP for Pete Rozelle's sake.

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Prom King

I would say most of Walton Payton's career is a better example.
Jim Brown never won an NFL championship, and he played on some mediocre teams.
Archie Manning had lousy record.

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Originally Posted by pbmax

Change it to the MOP for Pete Rozelle's sake.

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Then Matt Flynn is a shoe in. He's the best MOP up player in the league this year.

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Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby

I would say most of Walton Payton's career is a better example.
Jim Brown never won an NFL championship, and he played on some mediocre teams.
Archie Manning had lousy record.

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Walton?

http://www.packers.com/news-and-even...n=email_141229

Teammates say Aaron Rodgers is 'hands down' the MVP


Mike Spofford ... packers.com senior writer

Comment woodbuck27:

I would say that above any official award that this is most valuable to Aaron Rodgers from a personal standpoint.

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Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby

I would say most of Walton Payton's career is a better example.
Jim Brown never won an NFL championship, and he played on some mediocre teams.
Archie Manning had lousy record.

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1964. Look it up, live it, learn it.

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Originally Posted by mraynrand

Walton?

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He got one with Portland and then another one or two in Boston as the big slow white guy.

After yesterday there is no doubt ARod is the man. He was like in 300, he gave them nothing and took everything from them (fuck suh)!!

Crown his ass!!

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Originally Posted by woodbuck27

I believe at some point if not for the balance of the season that Aaron Rodgers was a (if not the) front runner.

Recall what the talk was and NFL MVP before Tom Brady and the New England Patriots arrived in Green Bay?

Wasn't that at least partially billed as the battle between leading candidates?

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There is this (not that it is totally respected). There have been times this season when we've read that Aaron Rodgers 'is' the greatest QB the NFL has ever seen :

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...mvp-candidates

http://www.ibtimes.com/5-nfl-mvp-can...season-1764214

5 NFL MVP Candidates For 2014 Season

By Greg Price @GP_IBTimes on December 21 2014 1:29 PM

Comment woodbuck27:

R - E - L - A - X.

Smarter heads will prevail.

It will be Aaron Rodgers.

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Originally Posted by pbmax

1964. Look it up, live it, learn it.

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I had him confused with James Brown

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Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby

I had him confused with James Brown

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I woke up this morning,
and I heard a disturbing sound!

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Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby

There are many ways to evaluate the greatness of a defensive lineman. Quality of opposing QBs is pretty low on that list.

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So you don't think it is harder to post sacks against guys like Manning, Brady or Rodgers...as opposed to whoever JAX or TEN throw out there?

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Originally Posted by King Friday

So you don't think it is harder to post sacks against guys like Manning, Brady or Rodgers...as opposed to whoever JAX or TEN throw out there?

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My evaluation of JJ Watt goes beyond sack statistics. The fact that he gets a ton of sacks from the defensive tackle position is just a cherry on the protein shake.

You'll just have to accept that I am a football genius and can see things that you can't. You'll understand when you are older.

BTW, is it that hard to sack Peyton Manning?

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Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby

My evaluation of JJ Watt goes beyond sack statistics. The fact that he gets a ton of sacks from the defensive tackle position is just a cherry on the protein shake.

You'll just have to accept that I am a football genius and can see things that you can't. You'll understand when you are older.

BTW, is it that hard to sack Peyton Manning?

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I dunno. You are the genius. Maybe you have the ability to decipher what this chart has to say on the subject.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/st...per-game/2014/

If you take the award for face value its almost impossible for a non-QB to win, much less a defensive player.

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Originally Posted by 3irty1

If you take the award for face value its almost impossible for a non-QB to win, much less a defensive player.

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right, it is award for best QB among teams having good shot to get to SB

this year is coin flip twixt Romo and Rodgers

Talking heads on ESPN radio today think its an easy win for a rod

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Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby

My evaluation of JJ Watt goes beyond sack statistics. The fact that he gets a ton of sacks from the defensive tackle position is just a cherry on the protein shake.

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He's a DE. A DE in a 3-4, so still impressive. Pickett was their NT. Nix was supposed to be the starter at NT, but got injured in the preseason.

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Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby

right, it is award for best QB among teams having good shot to get to SB

this year is coin flip twixt Romo and Rodgers

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I find it rather curious that NOBODY talked about Romo as a viable MVP candidate until after Rodgers' poor showing in Buffalo. One crappy performance since the NO game and now he's toast?