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They said his left foot was coming down without great balance so his accuracy was affected. Sounds like he’s working on that. What about the throwing motion? Is that more compact?
Rodgers has said a few times he takes time to really hone in on one or two things. Im sure Jordan would have listened to coaches and gotten better, but it can’t hurt to have an all time great tell you to spend a lot of time just engraining one or two things at a time and slowly build your foundation like that.
His release is definitely quicker. He had a tendency to get hit as we was throwing in 2021 due in part to a slower release. It resulted in him getting an injured shoulder in the 1st preseason game. The quicker release combined with him processing things mentally faster makes him very different from the guy we saw in 2020-21.
Rodgers looks effortless in how he unleashes with that little hop motion where he’s just instantly spinning it. I wouldn’t say Love looks like that when he throws now, but he’s grown in that direction. He looks impressive the way he’s generating all that power in a fairly quick motion.
Who knows. These guys are impressive athletes. It’s hard for me to know if one guy is better than the next because they all look good to me.
I liked the way Rodgers style looked easier to get off when he was falling away or had to instantly get one off. Love’s looks a little more conventional. But Brady always looked really conventional and he’s been an all time great.
Peyton Manning, Phil Rivers and Drew Bree had little stutter steps and sort of slinged it in rhythm with those. Like
The small steps helped them stay balanced and didn’t take a lot of time so they could throw it when the time came.
I’ve seen guys do it different ways. Love seems to be trying to model Brady more than Rodgers or the shuffle step guys. I guess whatever feels natural to you and works.
I just saw something from Rob Reischel about how the Packers really think he can be a great starter. If that's the case, there's no choice but to find out. Good starter? Maybe not, but a top 5-6 QB, yeah you've gotta kick the tires on that one and hope to get your 15 years before the inevitable one way ticket to the Big Apple.
Yes, Love's fundamentals have improved. Rodgers had horrible fundamentals and fixed those, it can be done. Rodgers has a crazy arm so he can get away with a lot most QB can't or shouldn't.
Love's mobility isn't bad, his arm strength is fine, he can go to a 2nd or 3rd read, and his footwork is better than it was. He doesn't get flustered easily, his body language is generally good. Keeps his eyes downfield, doesn't scream like Brady.
Love will need to work on manipulating coverage with his eyes, and also reading coverages -- same as any young QB, but he's shown improvement from his college tape. His playing time last year showed an improvement over the previous year.
I think if MLF is anywhere as good as some think he should be able to coax some "good enough" QB play out of Jordan Love. The Shanahan offense is supposed to be QB friendly.
I am skeptical he's a top 5 QB, but I think he could have a few very good years, especially if surrounded with good skill players & scheme. If they can manage a passable defense they could even make some noise in a bad NFC. I'd rather have his contract (including the 5th year option) than Derek Carr's.
I cant not comment on fundamentals, but I can comment on how great it is to see Jones, Watson and Doubs working out together in Cali. Need to fly Rolle in there as Toure in there as well.
I remember seeing a cut up of two qbs throwing side by side years ago. I believe it was Tebow and Brady. The wind up and release was a stark stark difference. I dont care too much about technique (i cant see it one way or another) but a slow release is a death blow. How fast does Love's Release look compared to other elite qbs?
His release isn't the quickest, and it still is a little elongated but it's better than it was. I think it's quick enough but could be improved. Would be very interesting to see a side by side of AR and JL. Might have to dig some up.
Meanwhile, here are JL's throws vs. PHI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkIONmDiN4E
You can see he's more polished with feet and delivery. There are things MLF can work with but I'm not sure he'll be elite.
Edit: here's from the NO preseason game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w8x2wGNCoc
Granted it's preseason but he's not awful. Is he good though? I need more data lol.
Gute and MLF have seen enough to be ok going forward with him.
Edit2: here's preseason the year before(2021): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrOgoOQ148w
he looks more polished in the NO game.
I see the biggest difference from between the 2021 tape to the eagles. He seems more comfortable with his feet.
The latest workout tapes he looks more controlled after delivery. He used to spin around after the throw and he unbalanced where now he looks balanced. But that’s with no one rushing him.
It looks like his release speeded up a little, but after watching Rodgers, it seems a tick slow for sure.
I watched a video where they broke frames way down and compared Rodgers to Marino. They’re about equal with release.
Watched some Marino highlights. Different from Rodgers in that Rodgers really exaggerated that little hop thing, but similar in that they look like they’re throwing darts more than winding up and throwing a football.
In the Eagles game Love appeared taller and stronger in the pocket and was decisive in his throws. I don’t give a damn what you say everyone caught the passes he threw when we saw him last season. His passes actually looked smooth and catchable. Hitting guys in stride for easy YAC Maybe I am biased and imagined it that way but the rest of you fucks didn’t imagine it that way too?
Where Harlan in this subject?
One area that Love still needs to work on is the eye-roll. But I think that comes with experience and confidence.
His work with Tom Clements is paying off. Clements is an incredible QB coach. A former CFL qb, he knows how to talk "qb". Is it any coincidence that the arrival of Clements coincides with the progress Love has made with his footwork and carriage.
https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/packer...ordan-love-118
"It's the things we've worked on the most, which is footwork, the proper drop, going through your progression, not getting stuck on a receiver, not being late with the ball," Clements said of Love after his appearance against the Philadelphia Eagles. "We work on different route concepts each week, we did a lot in the spring, but then you have to see it play out when you have a defense out there. You have to be able to go from 1-2-3 to your outlet quickly, and you can't lock on a guy. You have to process information quickly, figure out where to go, and your footwork plays into that as well. If your feet are right, and you're seeing things right, you're able to decide where to go with the ball. His footwork, rhythm and getting the ball off on time is where he's gotten a lot better.”
Clements was a good hire. Was a little surprised he came back this year, but am glad he did. I think he's important in JL's development, he certainly helped AR.
I 100% hope I am wrong but man Love just doesn't look good when he plays, again I hope he is a top 10 QB, hell I hope he is the best QB to play for the Pack I just do not see it.
i'd like to see a QB run lefluers system and actually allow jones and dillon to run the ball more then rodgers allowed them to
a QB that hits the easy wide open throw over the middle instead of always trying for the low percentage ball deep along the sideline
the one small chance that rodgers allowed love to take the field this year, we saw that.
i think theres a reason that rodgers didn't take anymore snaps off after we all saw that love looked half way decent. if rodgers was that scared, then maybe we should all have some hope
I'm with ya on that, Red. I'm actually excited to see a QB run LeFleur's system, see how it actually looks in action. As in the latter MM years, I think Rodgers bent the offensive system to his will, so I don't think we've really seen what a pure LeFleur system will look like.
I'm also excited by the possibility that the Packers won't end every half with only one timeout because they used them up waiting til the last second every play to get the play off. Very exciting. Maybe even occasionally run the hurry-up and try to put the other team's defense on its heels.
If your tendency on 3rd and short is to never take deep shots, defenses can dial in and stop you more consistently. Rodgers Packers were unpredictable on 3rd and short so the defense had to cover the whole field. Those shots help in other ways.
True, but you don’t have to run the deep route on 3rd and short every single time. And you don’t always have to throw to the deep guy every time when you have 3 other guys open short but past the marker
If you want to go deep on the first 3rd and short of the game, fine. Wanna do it the second time, cool. If you want to do it late in the game when we just need a drive to eat up clock or to give the defense a breather, not such a good time
Who knew you could utilize speed in the middle of the field like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0le1gJqspg
Is that Love or a blown coverage though? My understanding is Aaron doesn't throw over the middle often but I would be shocked if he wouldn't make that throw.
Joe, you've been a bad boy. The NFL has blocked your video. Be ready for some goombas with vinyl jackets featuring The Shield to come knocking on your door some night soon.
Seriously, you are asking this question. ARod has been completely averse to throwing over the middle. I can't count how many times in the game day thread people commented on the WR, RB, TE running across the middle wide open at the 1st down marker and ARod going for the 20 yard sideline throw instead.
Sure, no doubt he doesn't always do it. But this throw to 9 was wide open, it's not like Rodgers _never_ does it. I have little doubt Rodgers would have made this throw.
This data driven read implies he throws over the middle on ~25% of throws, which is much lower than the league leaders at ~50%
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/b...selection-2019
Given that, I suppose if you're an opposing team's DC, you'd edge your coverage over to the sidelines, figuring unless someone was running wide, wide open over the middle, Arod wasn't going to go there. Makes Adams's over-the-back-shoulder grabs even more amazing.
I think he eschews throws in the middle of the field because they are more likely to be intercepted there. They are easier throws, but there are usually more lurking defenders to watch for.
The number of sideline throws Rodgers has been able to complete is incredible, but I think his accuracy at throwing them has diminished in recent years.
Avoiding use of the MOF is making it harder for yourself and your offense. I think JL will use it much more, but I also think he'll throw more picks.
Also, throwing a deep sideline pass on 3rd and short is stupid unless you drew someone offside or you know you can convert on 4th down a la Jalen Hurts butt push.
Interceptions stats are often overrated. I'll take occasional interceptions in exchange for multiple drive saving throws any day of the week. Most of the time, an interception leads to the same result as a poor punt.
I do recall in the KC game a couple years ago that Love sure did seem like he had a long, slow windup. Sure, I've watched Rodgers for years, but I've seen a few other QB's over my football-watching life, and Love seemed super slow. I don't recall if he looked quicker against Philly; I imagine so.
Wrong. Sharpe. One of if not the primary thing that makes Rodgers the GOAT is the mindset not to throw interceptions. We can only hope Love (if indeed he will be the next Packer QB) absorbed that and is approximately the same.
I think it's much quicker. Not like Rodgers, but a big improvement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu-xeb0BF5M
https://www.footballperspective.com/...tions-in-2019/
Some pretty good arguments that sacks have more effect on a game than picks.
Team records when finishing a game with 0 sacks:
2019: 49-16 (0.754)
2014-2018: 225-86-1 (0.723)
1990s: 472-166-0 (0.740)
Team records when finishing a game with 0 INTs:
2019: 153-90-1 (0.629)
2014-2018: 770-378-3 (0.670)
1990s: 1157-522-1 (0.689