an Rapoport
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Source: #Packers DB Rasul Douglas to the #Bills.
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an Rapoport
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Source: #Packers DB Rasul Douglas to the #Bills.
If true I really hate this move. He's young enough and been our best CB since coming to town (mainly cuz Jaire looks like Estus Hood lately).
I might have kind of expected this if Stokes was back and playing. But with Stokes out, we're looking at Valentine. Been a while since a Packers season appeared to be over before it was half over.
How do you know if you hate it until we know what we got back?Quote:
Originally Posted by bobblehead
3rd for Douglas and a 5th round pick
https://nfltraderumors.co/trade-pack...glas-to-bills/
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/trans...-buffalo-bills
I read we got a third and gave back a fifth with Douglas. That to me is pretty hateable.
If we got the fifth plus the third rather than giving back a fifth, then it isn't quite so bad, but still a negative thing.
Because I knew it wasn't a 1st and he should be a guy in the future plans to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by SudsMcBucky
I just updated my post after reading another site. Considering Douglas is 29 and was a FA pickup, I think it is a good trade.
Now Preston?
nm
Meh, he's no spring chicken anymore. His current contract is a nonstarter for 2024 so he'd have to have been agreeable to a sizeable restructure. Move ahead with the youth movement at this point in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobblehead
A gm that would give up a first for Douglas would be tarred, feathered and beheaded before being burned at the stake.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobblehead
Why would any competent GM’s include a 29 year old, slightly above average, cornerback in their big plans for the future. This team is probably 2-3 years away from being decent. That’ll put Rasul at 31-32 years old.
Pretty sure that's it. Trading deadline is here.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldbutnotdeadyet
Huber reporting the same over at SI.
Rasul is a good player, with another year on his deal so he has value.
As others have pointed out he's aging and by the time the next window opens for GB (2025) he'll be gone anyway. I'm fine with the move, they should either sit still or be sellers this year.
I don't think it's a bad trade, GB will have 5 picks inside the top 100 and they get him off the books capwise. Valentine will see time and he's not ready for primetime but I think it will be good development for him.
He was a tough fit with Stokes and Jaire being boundary corners as well.
He'll be missed in the locker room and on the field. He was a good interview from what I've seen. Gets to play for a contender in the AFC, so good for him. The losing was wearing on him. Enjoyed watching him play for GB and I wish him health and luck going forward.
They redid Preston's contract this year and made it look like he'd be here at least this year if not next as well. I think with Enagbare's issues in run defense, plus LVN's and Brenton Cox's inexperience they want to keep him around. Trading away 2 starters on defense would be tough.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldbutnotdeadyet
Given Packers recent draft history, should have given Bills their 3rd and taken a 5th.
He’s had some success - but I’ve called out some terrible plays while watching this. For effectively a 4th rd value - i think it’s a good trade.
Hope Jaire and Preston are shipped off too while we finally admit the rebuild mode is here.
Montez Sweat to the Bears, Chase Young to the 49ers, Leonard Williams (NYG) to the Seahawks. Detroit gets Donovan Peoples-Jones for a R6. Vikings trade a R6 pick to ARI for Josh Dobbs, and trade Ezra Cleveland. Lots of players moving.
Wait, this ears best packers cb and a 5th for a 3rd.
Remind me why I supported gute on my last post here
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Just noticed Montez Sweat is (like Gary) on his 5th year option. So the Bears traded a R2 pick for the right to pay Sweat a big extension. Wonder how that's going to go with Bears fans. Hey, at least it's not an ILB.
Didn't see Jaylon Johnson, who is a very good young corner, get traded even though he requested one. My guess is he signs elsewhere in FA. I'm assuming he's looking for a contract that overpays him and that's why he is stuck playing out his rookie deal.
It hurts them this year, but it's not a terrible move in the long run, especially if Jaire/Stokes can get healthy and consistent. I think they really like Valentine, and they have a logjam at outside receiver anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Upnorth
Other teams are only going to want your good players. Nobody is trading for Royce Newman.
Vikings going both directions weirds me out. Do they see Dobbs having a place on the 2024 roster?
Sul was probably our 2nd best defender after Gary this year.
Hopefully we get in the Drake Maye sweepstakes
He is the 10th best CB in the NFL according to PFF. $11.6 for his last year is a nonstarter?? Man, who should we pay then?Quote:
Originally Posted by SudsMcBucky
Yes, I know no one would give a first which is why I knew I hated this deal. Duh...exactly what I was saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Travisb72
With an added year together and a new LT in the draft this team could make noise in next year. This isn't 1989 where rebuilds take years. It can be fast. See Lions, Detroit.
And he isn't slightly above average, he is top 10 based on metrics. He is not 29, he is 28. He is also a relentless studier who taught Jaire how to film study. I can see where thats not the guy you want around younger players. Maybe sign Antonio Brown to build the locker room.
Thats a lot of mistakes in one post. I'll cut you some slack and assume post #8 will be more accurate. At least get the age right. Thats easy to google.
i completely agree with thisQuote:
Originally Posted by RashanGary
this is a terrible trade. we gave up our best DB for less then a 3rd
are we in full rebuild mode? why weren't we in that mode already last offseason?
See, Red and Rash agree with me....shit, I better reconsider.
Just kidding guys, we all agree....Gutes fucked this one up.
It's an ok trade. The net is in the range of the bottom of round 3 to the middle of round 4. It all depends if GB can avoid their 3rd round curse.
Because they weren't going to pay him 9M next year, and he isn't getting younger. This year is toast and something is better than nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by red
I believe they would have gotten rid of Aaron Jones and Preston Smith with the right offers.
It’s likely Jones, Dillon, and Smith are gone next year anyway.
One mistake on the age. The rest is pure conjecture on your part. So you think this team is only one LT, and a rookie LT at that, away from “making noise”? How about our center, RG, Dline, cornerback, safeties, LB, defensive coordinator and qb who really hasn’t shown much? And you think a rookie LT is going to come in and fix that all?? There’s a reason that this team is one of the worst in the league right now, and it isn’t because of just the LT.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobblehead
Also, Detroit has finally become good after years of inept management and coaching and high draft picks. They did not just turn their franchise around in a year.
But hey, at least you can hang your hat on me being off 1 year on Rasul’s age. Even at 28, unless his name is sauce or prime time, a gm isn’t planning the future around him.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SudsMcBucky
HATE IT MORE
We got a F'CKIN 3rd round draft pick back
Do we need to outline Gutebag's 3rd round picks again ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparkey
:knll::knll::knll::knll::knll:Quote:
Originally Posted by Joemailman
Did this get Rasul traded?Quote:
“I’m both. I’m both,” Douglas said when asked if he was frustrated or angry. “We’re saying sh** but until we actually do the sh**, it don’t really matter. I’m thinking about it like, bro, I’ve never been a loser in my life. These last two years have been f***ing loser. That sh** ain’t me. I don’t think that sh**’s us. We’ve got to do something, you know what I mean?”
9 million is nothing for a #1 cb, and yes, ever since alexander started to focus on shit talking and not playing, douglas has been our #1Quote:
Originally Posted by MadScientist
i wonder if gary demanded a trade to a competent team and thats why he ended up with a new deal on trade deadline day. seems a bit of a coincidence
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobblehead
Just a SHIT SHIT SHIT TRADE but Congrats to the EX PACKER for going to a solid organization
The media will HATE this. THey love Rasul; they consider him one of the top leaders in the locker room that lacks direction.
Now a team devoid of leaders has even less.
GOOD thing we have the Flower:crazy:
it better not have gotten him traded because thats the type of attitude that should be demanded from playersQuote:
Originally Posted by Joemailman
but i can see him saying that, then turning around and saying "trade me"
Why are they trading away a contributor and leader when they are lacking them? Crazy move for not worth it return. Cooter has gotta go.
You were off by "slightly above average" as well. PFF has him ranked 10th in entire league. No matter how little faith you put in their grades, they grade all players on same scale. Also, note that the vikings picked on Jaire, not douglas. how many games ended with douglas picking a pass off in the last few seasons?Quote:
Originally Posted by Travisb72
And yes, one bookend LT (rookie top 10 LTs usually have immediate impact) will change the course of this team along with all our offense (who are on rookie contracts) stepping forward some. You think our LBs suck?? I guess, Gary and preston blow. Campbell wasn't all pro recently and Quay isn't an ascending player. Our CBs suck? Well, trading the best one hurts for sure, but thats kind of my point.
You are basically a fan. Either everyone on the roster is all pro (Tex) or they all are trash (you). The truth is that there is plenty of talent, but the team has some serious needs to go along with being extremely young. After 2 games half the forum anointed Love HoF status. 5 weeks later he is garbage and needs to be replaced after playing 7 games (5 with a sieve of an OL).
The glass truly is half full. Its also truly half empty. How they play it from here will matter, and trading your best CB who has 3-4 years left in him to move up 40 spots probably isn't the right way to play it.
Probably should have gotten him a raise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joemailman