What say you Rats ? Sarcasm added to Poll Options for Pot Stirring Effect :)
WHO GIVES YOU THE MOST HOPE FOR THE FUTURE ??
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What say you Rats ? Sarcasm added to Poll Options for Pot Stirring Effect :)
WHO GIVES YOU THE MOST HOPE FOR THE FUTURE ??
Those who choose None of the Above, could also comment a complete overhaul would bring you the most hope
I tend to hate sarcasm. My first impression is to think positive about all of the above. If you were going for something negative, you shoulda put God damned Joe Barry on there.
Everybody hates Joe Barry Tex; that is TOO EASYQuote:
Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker
I want to know who we have the most faith in
I'm not sure I really have faith in any of them
ok, if you insist. I suppose Love - but I still say ALL of the above. And yeah, I know I used to be negative about Love, but he has won me over. Gutekunst has been maybe 60/40 good over bad as a GM, and LaFleur has not done well so far without Aaron Rodgers. Optimist that I am, though, I have strong hope that all will improve.
Little faith in any of those at the moment. They won't get the axe before the end of the season, so there is some slight chance they will turn things around, but so far none of them are looking great. The vaunted OLine looks like shit. The speedy receivers are struggling to get open, so they are lacking talent, or the scheme is lacking. Love is missing too many throws and is chucking the ball into double coverage on all the deep balls. The defense isn't a pressure defense, it's a wilt under pressure defense.
So is it the players, the coaches or both. Hard to tell from my couch, but things aren't looking bright.
Things are pretty bleak right now bud.
Love hasn't been good enough. But he's hung in there despite the rest of the offense falling apart around him.
From what I have seen so far, I am hoping Love is not our quarterback in 2 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joemailman
He's a little more Brett Favre than Aaron Rodgers for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joemailman
Yeah, the odds of finding a great quarterback are far from great, so I always kind of expect a guy to be average. And he’s played kind of average or below average in his first year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joemailman
But he makes some wow throws. I like that he plays tough and doesn’t go down easy. He doesn’t look baffled or overwhelmed. The offense seems a little more clunky and less in rhythm, but that was a clear and obvious drop when Rodgers replaced a 16 year starter too. The whole field general, set a rhythm aspect of quarterback play is underrated.
Even though I doubt him, he has done enough to see avenues for success. If he comes on a little bit down the stretch, he’s lining himself up for a modest contract. If we end up with a top 6-8 pick and don’t love the quarterbacks after the first two, maybe you just extend Love and build around him.
We’ll see what happens. Would be nice if the young skill group could get on the same page before the season is over so we can get a better read.
This is something that would make a good poll hahahaha. I'd say Love more resembles Rodgers than Favre. His inaccuracy is overrated. He is generally careful not to throw picks - with very very few exceptions. The throwing into double coverage happened on that desperation play at the end of that game, but any other times? Not that I recall (let the whiny fact checkers cone out from under their rocks hahahaha).Quote:
Originally Posted by call_me_ishmael
As RG said, it's not that easy to find another great QB. Lightning striking a third time could happen, but it's a long shot. What I see from Love, though, is a QB already better than well over than half the starting QBs around the league and very likely to get a lot better.
Not enough track record to truly judge Love at this point. He’s not helping the offense, but the rest of the offensive roster isn’t doing much either.
Gute has a track record. He’s not a terrible GM, but he’s far from brilliant. He was somewhat handcuffed by Rodgers, and I believe he made the right call to move on when many other GMs may have not. His recent drafts have been lackluster, but he has several good ones to start. If Love proves a failure, it will be a large black mark on Gute’s record. He wasted draft capital to move up to take a guy who wasn’t likely to play for 2-3 years when the team was on the cusp of a title. Overall, I can’t say I have a lot faith in him.
MLF has proven to remarkably incompetent without a HOF under center. Nearly anyone can be a capable NFL head coach with that luxury. The decision to retain Barry was truly stupid. Development of younger players has been mediocre at best. He’s at the helm of what looks like one of the worst coaching staff in the league. The guys who left for promotions from his staff have also largely fallen on their faces. I have no confidence at this point that MLF is capable of rebuilding this after it goes in the ditch and burns like a tire fire. He doesn’t have the nasty necessary to hold people accountable.
I’d like to say I had confidence in someone, but I don’t. Forced to choose, I’d take Gute, because I think he’s at least a mediocre GM. An inaccurate QB and coach that wants to be friends are worse than mediocre.
I think love has potential. He looked pretty good for part...
No he looked pretty good at the start....
He has had a few complete....
Never mind. Can anybode find me some one to.....
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Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker
SO FAR he's more similar to Brett Hundley than Aaron Rodgers or Brett Favre
I was going ot bring up Desean Kiser, who Gutebag liked enough to trade too much for him..........but yall remember that of course
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Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker
BETTER than over half the starters ?
TEX, care to post the NFL Quarterback Ratings yet...the TD to INT ratio..completion percentage....etc............this is kinda crazy
A little bit crazy, but not too much. I saw a site that rated receiver groups based on drops and contested catches. Packers receivers were at or near the bottom. Packers are near the bottom at rushing the ball. Few, if any starting QB's have had as little support from their teammates as Love has had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bretsky
Jayden Reed is on pace for 750 yards and looks like our most talented receiver at this point.
agree 1000 percentQuote:
Originally Posted by RashanGary
I have hope for one OL and one WR and one TE on our team. Reed gives us some hope
And out OC and HC are weak as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joemailman
And our WR's suck and our TE's are below average
But I'm not going to be a complete apologist. I want to see better accuracy and decisions from Love. And no stats out there I know of would support Love being a top half QB right now
hahahahahahaha QB rating didn't mean anything the first few weeks of the season when Love was at the top of the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bretsky
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Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker
Remove the Bears Game and then tell me how he is :)
Remove weeks 2-6 and then tell me how he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bretsky
I'm not sure if he's getting worse, OR if he was good enough to be good against terrible defenses but nobody else.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobblehead
Even in the Saints game, take away some marginal pass interference calls and we don't get that game either.
There was very little actual tape on Love. The Packers knew going into the season what his best qualities were. No one else did. When he did play, the Packers weren’t able to build a plan around him because 12 was QB1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bretsky
So the Bears had no clue what to expect. And their pass rush is abysmal.
Since Chicago, teams have adapted to what Love does well and no one has as poor of a pass rush. The league caught up to 10 real fast.
I’m struggling with how I, as a Packer fan, and we, as Packer fans, are possibly suffering a disconnect between our pre-season stated expectations and how we are responding to how the season is going.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bretsky
The vast majority of us said we knew they were in a rebuild and expected poorer results than we’ve seen in the past. If I recall correctly, most of us predicted between 6 - 11 and 10 - 7. Most also acknowledged the first half would be the worst, but if the team improved over the second half, we’d think the team was heading the right direction.
So, as I’ve written elsewhere, what the hell did I - did we - think losing football would look like? Teams lose because they play badly and can’t make that one big play at a key moment. The Packers have had chances at ends of games to win. Would we all feel the entire organization was heading in the right direction if Jordan Love had completed just one bomb at the end of one of those close-loss games to win it and make the Packers 3 - 4 instead of 2 - 5?
They call them “growing pains” for a reason. Are we just not able to accept in our guts what our brains said would happen (young offense, lots of drops and penalties)? Or is there a way to be 2 - 5 and say “gee, I think things are going okay for this rebuild”?
I was at 7-10; Ino not really too surprised by much other than Watson being worse than I even though and the Dollar Tree trade Gutebag gave to the Bills for Rasul
I think most had more hope for the OL and weren’t expecting it to devolve into a complete tire fire.
our OL can get better from within if we just get the best players on the field
Love's overall quality as well as LaFleur's playcalling both took a major leap forward in Sunday's game. Of course, it was the Rams, and the fools and negativists in here will whine about that, but the Rams had (and still have 3 wins), probably the best D Lineman in the NFL, and a very highly regarded coach.
Regarding this poll, I say again, ALL of them give the Packers hope for the future, and a helluva lot of it to anybody with a lick of sense.
Its funny how one's quality and play calling improve when playing a really bad team with backups starting coming off a tough physical matchup.