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I don't like the alignment," the NFC coach said. "There should be a guy to contain. That's not good football not to have two guys covered.
"It made me angry as a special-teams coach. How can a head coach and a general manager devalue what special-teams coaches do? You've got two special-teams plays that are the difference in Green Bay being in the Super Bowl."
One veteran coach, however, couldn't remember ever having a player make that same kind of mistake.
"There's a lot of pressure on those guys," said the coach. "Why do they play on that team? Because they've already given you the indication they can perform under pressure. Don't ever back up to catch the ball."
At the moment of truth, Bostick short-circuited. Should Slocum and veteran assistant Ron Zook have had him better prepared for that moment? That's for the head coach to decide.
I'm confused; from the article it sounds like the only reason House was even in the play was because he got a terrible jump on the block.....sounds like he did not have contain on that side
WHO DID ??????????????????????
I think what they're saying is it was a bad scheme b/c if they run the fake to that side it's a two (Ryan, Gilliam) against one (Hawk) scenario in a run or pass option. As much grief as House has caught he actually seems to be the one guy who did well on the play by peeling off to chase Ryan. His job assignment on the play was to rush the kick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bretsky
I think that's why Hawk reacted the way he did b/c schematically he was on an island and figured it was better to attack the guy with the ball.
Just so unsound. Bush league really. Slocum needs to go.
This is not the first time a Slocum formation has been deemed unsound by McGinn sources.
However, Rand had a source that said House had contain and that Jones was on the block.
EDIT: The sources specifically say it was Block Left, so House was rushing.
Last week, another writer said House did have contain responsibilities on the play, just like Bush did on the other side. If you watch the play, House did much the same as Bush, except that he turned in slightly while Bush stayed square. Bush reacted quicker than House. House was caught flatfooted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bretsky
If he isn't just giving McCarthy a pass, then its got to be goodbye to Slocum.Quote:
Morton was asked if McCarthy cares as much about special teams as Carroll.
"He does, he definitely does," replied Morton. "I think they both really care."
However, the one AFC coach just seems to be irritated past the point of understanding. Schneider says he had a vet player (Golden Tate) make the same error as Bostick, but the AFC guy says "no, never" and claims he has proof that each of his players an stand the crucible.
He seems a little put out and not trustworthy. Since its Bob I assume this is Bill Polian.
If its Block Left as McGinn says, then I do not think each wing has contain. Only the left, Bush, does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
That's the question, was it really block left? Maybe they were actually doing as one coach said they should have, contain on both sides with Bush and House, and taking only whatever token pressure Jones might generate on his own from one side.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbmax
Daugherty, or whoever it was that I quoted last week, seemed pretty certain it was contain on both sides, but that House was casual in his performance.
Slocum - gone
My guess is he's the guy who pushed for Morton to be fired last year after the dismal performance by ST. He felt he needed an assistant with more experience and technical knowledge to teach up his annually inexperienced crew. Now Morton returns the favor. No more scapegoating.
I think there's a good chance Capers is gone too, with an in-house promotion Whitt or Trgo.
Comment woodbuck27: Is it possible that Mike McCarthy can be a cold man?
When McCarthy fired Morton after five seasons, ......... he did it face-to-face without much explanation.
"I would have liked to have gotten more," Morton said. "I guess I wasn't doing my job good enough. I was definitely shocked by it.
"I definitely don't think so (he was deserving of blame). I had great rapport with all the guys. I gave them everything. I had their back and Shawn's back, and I'm proud of that."
Comment woodbuck27:
Like another Green Bay reject Jon Ryan; former Packer ST's Assistant Chad Morton landed in a good place.
For the record and rejected former Packer and now 'star' Seattle Seahawks punter Jon Ryan:
" Jon Ryan continued his consistent play, breaking his own Seattle Seahawks record for highest punting average in a season (46.6) and leading the NFL with a career-high 34 punts landing inside the 20, tying for the second-most in Seattle history.
Working with new kicker Steven Hauschka, he converted a career-high 25 of 30 field goals (.833) on the season... "
Was Chad Morton Shawn Slocum's last season (2013) scapegoat?
That's grown way beyond tired. I'm confident that Mike McCarthy must now FIRE Shawn Slocum.
Reading the article this stands out. A clear slap down was just waiting to happen. To actually act totally unaware of 'this as a fact' is either stupidity or arrogance.
It was predicted at Packerrats that ST's would be the difference in the games result and not favorably for Green Bay. Was Mike McCarthy as aware? Confidence in any staff coaches ability shouldn't negate a full awareness of what is really (actually) going on.
Mike McCarthy has to be aware of Jon Ryan's athleticism. As the head Coach he should be aware of the fact with the Seattle offense doing little or nothing in that game. That just maybe the FG wasn't going to be enough. The possible fake should have been accounted for in terms of coverage.
Does Mike McCarthy really care about ST's results? If so why are the Green Bay Packers so consistently bad on ST's?
" In nine seasons under McCarthy, the Packers' special teams rank 30th overall in The Dallas Morning News' annual rankings. Seattle, in the last six years (five under Carroll and Schneider), ranks second." Fr. Article
This is damning information. Mike McCarthy has to simply be himself with Shawn Slocum. Walk up to him and announce:
Your FIRED!
Less than 5 minutes remained in the 3rd Quarter. The Score was Packers 16 - Seahawks 0. The Seattle fans were much quieter with the Seahawks slogging offense.
From Article in post #1:
" It was fourth and 10 and the ball was on the left hash mark. The Seahawks had six first downs. Quarterback Russell Wilson had been awful.
According to Morton, the options for special-teams coordinator Shawn Slocum "pretty much" would have been block left, block right or safe, meaning no block at all.
According to one Packers' player, Slocum called for a block left (off the Seahawks' left side), which also was the short side of the field. Teams rarely rush from the short side.
"Green Bay should have been playing safe there," an NFC special-teams coach said. "Seattle hadn't done anything. I'd have said, 'You want to kick a field goal, good for you.'"
Morton would only add: "It's hard to look at it after the fact. That was up to Shawn."
The NFC coach said in most cases Slocum would have had three or four seconds to make his decision and that McCarthy probably would have had no idea what was happening. ..." Fr. Article
Comment woodbuck27:
Mike McCarthy should have suspected what might have been happening. The problem is that likely 'a conservative' Mike McCarthy would have simply kicked the FG !
I'll not likely ever forget Mike McCarthy's reaction. It was a nothing reaction. He walked straight ahead on the sideline as if nothing happened.
I would be sort of stunned if Capers was gone. They seem to have built the defense back up and he did reasonably well this year with adjustments through the year. He's approaching the point where they've got enough guys with enough time in the system to really start making it fly. Now that he's got 2 real safeties and a decent DL, things are pointing up.Quote:
Originally Posted by vince
If Bush was on that side of the fake and stopped it, would red have had a coronary?Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
I wish you guys would stop rehashing this game. I am only now able to sleep at nights.
God, I hate the Packers...
Mike McCarthy wouldn't dare get rid of Dom Capers.Quote:
Originally Posted by denverYooper
McCarthy has an offensive side of the ball background and Capers does his thing. The only way Dom Capers is out of Green Bay is if he wants out.
I hate it that I love themQuote:
Originally Posted by oldbutnotdeadyet
This. I still fantasize about quitting football.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldbutnotdeadyet
It's so dumb to get tied in knots about a game that I have no control over at all.
It's drama, real-live drama. The ending of that game was the kind of fantastically horrible denouement you can't even experience in a Darren Aronofsky film. I guess that's part of it, part of the addiction.
^^^ It did kinda feel like getting an gangrenous arm amputated, didn't it?
See, I just transfer this hate to the other teams' and their coaches. What are the odds of me meeting up with Pete Carroll and committing an assault? Pretty low. Problem solved.Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand
Pete obviously learned his hand-clapping, sideline running encouragement technique from Barry Switzer. That's coaching!Quote:
Originally Posted by pbmax
To get the bad taste of this loss and the vision of Pete Carroll grinning out of my mind, I will have to go back to the 1995 Divisional game at SF, and look at Pete's helpless countenance in the booth as Favre and Jackson dismantle his defense. And the '97 defeat of NE at NE. That will help too. I may not be able to watch the SB.
Funny comment, can't remember where it came from: Pete Carol has that "stepdad making jokes about banging your mom" swag.
It'd obvious the way that House angled inside that he was assisting Brasd Jones on an attempted block. The only contain was left to Hawk in the back. When Jon Ryan boot lagged left AJ Hawk was left in a dilemma. Attack Ryan and desert the receiver Gilliam or vice versa. His decision should have been instinctive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
AJ Hawk had to defend the pass with House turned around and in pursuit of Jon Ryan.
Looking at it in review.
The Green Bay Packers FG defense was left completely flat footed and horribly beaten. The inspirational lift this gave Seattle's 'dead in the water offense' to that point in the game. The lift or energy it gave the Seattle fans cannot be under estimated. That call and well executed play on Seattle's part was the beginning of the end.
I agree with Woody
And with the whole world thinking a fake was coming...and anybody with a brain thinking who cares if they get"3" there.....Slocum sat there clueless instead of communicating this
WHY DOES HE HAVE A JOB AGAIN
Oh............and MM
WE DON"T WANT ZOOK EITHER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Rumble Of An Avalanche.
4:50 3rd Quarter: 4th and 10 Seattle ball on the Packer 19 yard line:
Seattle Seahawks holder Jon Ryan throws a 19 yard TD pass to undrafted Rookie offensive lineman Gary Gilliam for Seattle's first TD of the game. Defenders Green Bay's NO.50 AJ Hawk who failed to cover the eligible receiver and NO. 31 Devon House trying to recover contain.
Ib my opinion, some people should refrain from throwing stones. Especially publicly.
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Life is so much better. I am not saying you have to hate the Packers but just watching football without having to cheer for a certain team makes football a lot easier to like.Quote:
Originally Posted by denverYooper
I get more cynical if I am not rooting for a participant, at the Pro level anyway. Having a rooting interest reminds me there are a lot of ill-informed perspectives around the game.Quote:
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