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I've excluded the following from the poll because they will likely be gone. If you disagree and want to vote for one, pick "Other":
Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, Jayden Daniels, Marvin Harrison Jr., Brock Bowers, Malik Nabers, Joe Alt, Dallas Turner, Rome Odunze, Olumuyiwa Fashanu, Taliese Fuaga, Terrion Arnold, Jared Verse, Quinyon Mitchell, J.C. Latham
Poll to follow.
I think it's Cooper DeJean, or a possible trade down and Graham BartonQuote:
Originally Posted by Joemailman
Cooper DeJean. Honorable Mention: Troy Fautanu
What’s with the all the love for Dejean? Take way the pale skin, and DeJean is basically a Josh Jackson clone.
Although I don't think DeJean will last until the Packer's pick, I selected him out of hope as seems to be both possibly the BPA and a position of need much like Raji was years ago.
Jackson was a 1 year wonder. And slower than DeJean.
I don't understand this DeJean hysteria either. It's like some sort of a cult.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anti-Polar Bear
The dude has not played a single snap since he was injured on November 11th. At that time, the consensus of most of the early mocks was that he was somewhere between lower half of the first and middle of the second round. Since then, he's somehow become a lock for the middle of the 1st and I've seen some people suggesting Top Ten.
Why? Is he doing his rehab on Planet Krypton or something? Why would an injured and inactive player climb so steadily and so high in the draft rankings?
It makes no sense to me.
But I went with Nubin, tentatively. Safety is the only position I would want to spend a 1st round pick on, and he's probably the last man left standing at the position who might warrant that. If he's not there (or even if he is, but Gute doesn't see him as best value), I'd just as soon drop back, gather some extra Day 2 picks, and use them to increase our chances of strengthening the position in the 2nd and 3rd Rounds. I'd love to see Cole Bishop in this defense, but I don't love him "#25 worth".
But then again, things will likely change between now and then anyway. I think it's quite likely Gutekunst solves at least half our safety problem in free agency next week, and once the dust settles from that, we'll have a much better idea of what the team needs are.
bring on the Chop :)
Cooper's stock dropped after he got hurt, recovered, and has been pretty steady for a while now. https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com.../cooper-dejean It's dropped slightly since he reported at combine he had a broken fibula.
Interesting that you worded it SHOULD draft, not WILL draft. I haven't done enough checking to make a choice, There are, however, some positions I don't want in the first round.
I doubt he's available by the Packers' pick, but Chop could really augment the existing pass rush with his speed.
I think it's 50/50 with him. A lot of big boards have him rated right around #25 overall and most mock drafts have him going in the 20's. He's generally rated the #4 Edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharpe1027
Plus, in practice, when Hafley wants the defense to really hustle, he would get to say "Let's go! Chop Chop!"Quote:
Originally Posted by sharpe1027
I get he's one dimensional being smaller and with short arms. Some OTs will be fast enough to neutralize him. If you have a guy like Gary that can power rush to rotate with, you can exploit more weaknesses in the OT. Some OTs are better at countering power and some at speed, few are outstanding at both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joemailman
First round positions the Packers should avoid like the plague, at least this year: OL, DT, RB, QB, K, P, LS.Quote:
Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker
From what I read from the draft experts, DeJean ain’t hip-hop enough to play corner, meaning he ain’t got the hip game to be a mano-a-mano lockdown corner that Haf-Fucked prefers. Dejean appears to be a Cover-2 zone corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joemailman
Sure, the dude could be a hip hop safety. But what’s with moving white corners to safety? It’s akin to moving Black QBs to WR.
I agree. Add WR and TE to that also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anti-Polar Bear
I'd rather get a Safety in free agency, as it seems to me that relying on a rookie Safety, even a good one, is a risky thing.
OTHER
I am going with Amarius Mims. I would take Murphy or Newton but I don't believe they will be available when the Packers pick.
My bad. Mims should have been in the poll. That was an oversight.
I voted for Barton, but he didn't run at the combine. Nubin is also high on the list. I would go with both of these guys simply because that is the biggest need on the roster.
This is an OT and WR draft so presumably he'll feast on one of those or go for something that is neglected because people are feasting. I have to imagine it's a CB, OT, or DL imo.
It's also a QB and CB draft. If teams feast on OT, WR, QB and CB, a DT or Edge could slip through. Daniel Jeremiah's top 40 has this positional breakdown:Quote:
Originally Posted by call_me_ishmael
WR: 7
OT: 7
QB: 6
CB: 6
ER: 5
DL: 3
IOL: 3
LB: 2
TE: 1
I would love it if they came away with a CB and edge from those top 50.
Any combination of corner, safety, defensive line, edge, offensive line. Hell, if they draft a wide receiver that early, all I could say would be "Geez, they must really, really like this guy." And if that's what they do, then, well, okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by call_me_ishmael
My hope is that maybe JJ McCarthy is still sitting there when the Packers pick, and a team offers them a ransom for the chance to draft him.
There are few mock drafts that have McCarthy getting past the Vikings at #11. Even if he did, there are other teams that would likely take him before he got to the Packers. So far in the poll there are votes for CB, S, DL, EDGE, IOL, and OT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fritz
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It would be almost funny if Guter drafted a QB at #25.
“Hey man, we just go BPA in this organization.”
Or maybe Michael Penix or Bo Nix is sitting there, and some team gets jumpy and trades up with the Pack to get their guy.
Wait - and it’s THE JETS who do it! They used their high first rounder on an offensive tackle to make Rodgers happy, then trade their third and fourth rounders plus next year’s first rounder for that #25 pick. Aaron Rodgers comes out with cryptic comments immediately following the draft.
At 25 I could see about 10 guys similar being available. Trading to the early 2nd might make sense if someone gives us value. So many good tackles in this draft. Some guys like Jordan Morgan probably goes like 20 most years, but might end up 30-40 in this draft (or later). He's got some Zach Tom to him. Good technician, can play tackle or guard. Personally I hope they go with OL. Mims is a beast, but needs some refinement. All the top 5 posted good RAS scores and did nothing to hurt their cause.
The problem is if other teams see this too, who's going to trade up?Quote:
Originally Posted by bobblehead
I've got a bad feeling that they're gonna make a lot of ya'all happy and take an O Lineman. If they do, they damn well better do their homework and get somebody who won't be a bust.
Yeah, like that Bakhtieri guy! He was terrible!
Safety doesn't seem as critical anymore.
No, I was thinking of Sherrod and Mandarich and probably a few other high drafted O Linemen that were big nothings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fritz
All I will say about Bakhtiari is that I'm more concerned about losing Runyan than him. It seems, though, that the Giants overpaid for Runyan.
Yes, Safety is not as critical. Pairing McKinney with Ford and/or Owens and/or Johnson should be more than adequate. I think they draft a Safety maybe 3rd or 4th, though.
GMs are like fans. They fall in love with players too. Many of them just aren't that smart.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharpe1027
Sherrod got a bad rap. He really had a horrible injury before he had a chance to prove himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker
This is true. I'm not saying they can't trade down, but they need someone that wants to trade up badly enough to offer sufficient value. It's not always the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobblehead
still need a second starterQuote:
Originally Posted by sharpe1027
I hope they sign Rudy Ford. I actually thought he played better than Owens before he got hurt. And they'll be drafting at least one.Quote:
Originally Posted by red
Cooper DeJean - plug and play slot cb / safety - incredible ball skills and intangibles
Troy Fautanu - instant plus starter at guard, but able to play tackle as well
Ruke Orhorhoro - raw but exciting DT that is still learning the game - sky is the ceiling type of athlete
in that order of preference.
Agree, which was why I added "if someone gives us value". It takes 2 to tango. If they stay right where they are, they should have a chance to get a really good player....although I am starting to think Mims goes top 15 after watching him move. Guy is just a physical monster.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharpe1027