MVP debate: Who's most deserving?
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Our expert panel debates the merits of Rodgers, Murray, Watt, Brady, Manning
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MVP debate: Who's most deserving?
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12...demarco-murray
Our expert panel debates the merits of Rodgers, Murray, Watt, Brady, Manning
It is a race between Brady and Rodgers now. If Rodgers leads the Packers to 2 more wins and a bye in the NFC, he's the likely choice.
You are probably right, but it should be JJ Watt. He has been unbelievable. Tackles, sacks, passes defensed, interception TD, offensive TDs; really a remarkable season.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Friday
J.J. Watt for MVP !? Well........Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
He's also 'ALL the HYPE' of late.
I finally got through my recording of the Packers @ Bills and Moses,Jenkins and Aaron (brother of Moses).
If I never watched the NFL games and saw Aaron Rodgers for the first time and someone informed me that he was the leading NFL MVP candidate !
I would be in total disbelief.
He looked anything but on too many levels.
All that for a .500 team. I am sure the Texans could win 7 games without Watt. I doubt the Packers, Broncos, Cowboys and Pats would win 7 games without their MVP candidates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
Man, you definitely can take the pain. I'd rather commit suicide than rewatch that game. ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by woodbuck27
That's why the MVP won't be tainted and JJ Watt be the winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrion Lannister
It's right now Aaron Rodgers MVP to lose and he did a fine job of getting there in Buffalo.
Might as well switch the M and P in MVP around and call it the Peyton von Manning award. My bucks is on the Manning winning it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by woodbuck27
Agreed. Reference last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrion Lannister
If you need help, let me know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrion Lannister
So Watt makes no difference at all? They've won 7 with him, and you are "sure" they could win 7 without him? If that were true, no team should ever pay more than minimum to anyone other than their QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrion Lannister
How did the Patriots do in 2008, when Brady played only part of one game before missing the rest of the season?
There were issues beyond just the fact that Rodgers went down last season. I believe GB would have done better if GB had a backup who was prepared, or if Wallace had not been injured in the first series of his first start, or if Flynn had been there earlier. In short, the problem was that Tolzien was simply not ready to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by George Cumby
Flynn brought them back to a tie against the Vikings. I think it is entirely plausible they would have won that game if Flynn had played the entire game. Thereafter, Flynn went 2-2. One loss was to Detroit at Detroit, in a game not unlike Rodgers' loss to them this year. The other was against Pittsburgh, when the Packers scored 31, but surrendered 38.
14 of those points did come off of Flynn turnovers (1 INT returned for a TD, 1 fumble recovered on the Packers 17), but for the most part I agree. Tolzien wasn't quite ready and, more than anything, I don't think they were ready for the possibility of starting the 3rd string QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
Thanks for the offer, but I have Dr. John Holmes, MD, PhD.Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand
That Pats? They missed the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
Watt is an awesome player and he's having a great season. Would love to see Thompson trade an entire draft for him. Football is the ultimate team game and all that, but you just don't hand over the Heisman to a guy on a losing/mediocre team, not even if he rushed for 5000 yards and 30 TDs for a 0-12 team.
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It really shouldn't be an MVP award. People are used to that by now and perhaps earlier liked the rhyme.
If you want to recognize the best season, regardless of team or position, it has to be Most Outstanding Player. Because no one on the field is more important than the best QBs.
Watt would win the MOP.
I disagree with none of your factual points. I think it's a matter of definition. What is meant by "most valuable"? PB just hit on it, the term is somewhat anachronistic and may not be relevant to what we are discussing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
Yes, JJ has been great but his wonderful play really hasn't helped his team be any better than mediocre or .500. Usually the MVP winner is on a winning/playoff team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
Maybe they can put him in at QB and get him a few TD throws, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
And then have him drop-kick a PAT. That'd do it, for sure.
Tainted because he had a lousy game? Brady and Manning - 2 players also under consideration - have had stinkers this year too.Quote:
Originally Posted by woodbuck27
Manning hasn't been the front runner in over a month now. If Rodgers doesn't win it then it will probably go to Brady.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrion Lannister
I believe that today....Aaron Rodgers is the leading MVP candidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugger
If he shows up with another 'stinker game' as he certainly had in Buffalo and that with occasional help of his receivers.
He flushes that MVP down the toilet along with the Green Bay Packers 2014 Season.
I believe that Aaron Rodgers will play extremely well Vs Tampa Bay and the Detroit LIONS.
I believe Aaron Rodgers will lead the Green Bay Packers to the NFC NO. 2 Seed.
I believe that Aaron Rodgers then will deserve to receive the NFL MVP Award again.
If all I believe happens:
Aaron Rodgers will be the 2014 NFL MVP.
I didn't know he offered his services in assisted suicideQuote:
Originally Posted by Tyrion Lannister
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Originally Posted by Pugger
It's how you finish. I wish MVP awards weren't decided until after the entire season is over. I'd like playoff performances to factor into the choice.
Agreed, which is why, as awarded, it is really an MVQB award. However, I think you can look at value to your team as currently constituted. A team with a lousy QB, or mediocre offense might have a defender, punter or kicker who is extremely valuable to them. Unfortunately, the media influences via popularity.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbmax
When was the last time a non QB won the award? It feels like it's pretty much the best teams/one of the best teams QB wins the award.
EDIT:
I decided to look since I was curious. It appears AP won the award as an RB in 2012. I completely forgot about that. Here's a list if anyone's interested.
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2013 NFL Peyton Manning Denver Broncos
2012 NFL Adrian Peterson Minnesota Vikings
2011 NFL Aaron Rodgers Green Bay Packers
2010 NFL Tom Brady New England Patriots
2009 NFL Peyton Manning Indianapolis Colts
2008 NFL Peyton Manning Indianapolis Colts
2007 NFL Tom Brady New England Patriots
2006 NFL LaDainian Tomlinson San Diego Chargers
2005 NFL Shaun Alexander Seattle Seahawks
2004 NFL Peyton Manning Indianapolis Colts
2003 NFL Peyton Manning Indianapolis Colts
2003 NFL Steve McNair Tennessee Titans
2002 NFL Rich Gannon Oakland Raiders
2001 NFL Kurt Warner St. Louis Rams
2000 NFL Marshall Faulk St. Louis Rams
1999 NFL Kurt Warner St. Louis Rams
1998 NFL Terrell Davis Denver Broncos
1997 NFL Brett Favre Green Bay Packers
1997 NFL Barry Sanders Detroit Lions
1996 NFL Brett Favre Green Bay Packers
1995 NFL Brett Favre Green Bay Packers
1994 NFL Steve Young San Francisco 49ers
1993 NFL Emmitt Smith Dallas Cowboys
1992 NFL Steve Young San Francisco 49ers
1991 NFL Thurman Thomas Buffalo Bills
1990 NFL Joe Montana San Francisco 49ers
1989 NFL Joe Montana San Francisco 49ers
1988 NFL Boomer Esiason Cincinnati Bengals
1987 NFL John Elway Denver Broncos
1986 NFL Lawrence Taylor New York Giants
1985 NFL Marcus Allen Los Angeles Raiders
1984 NFL Dan Marino Miami Dolphins
1983 NFL Joe Theismann Washington Redskins
1982 NFL Mark Moseley Washington Redskins
1981 NFL Ken Anderson Cincinnati Bengals
1980 NFL Brian Sipe Cleveland Browns
1979 NFL Earl Campbell Houston Oilers
1978 NFL Terry Bradshaw Pittsburgh Steelers
1977 NFL Walter Payton Chicago Bears
1976 NFL Bert Jones Baltimore Colts
1975 NFL Fran Tarkenton Minnesota Vikings
1974 NFL Ken Stabler Oakland Raiders
1973 NFL O.J. Simpson Buffalo Bills
1972 NFL Larry Brown Washington Redskins
1971 NFL Alan Page Minnesota Vikings
1970 NFL John Brodie San Francisco 49ers
1969 NFL Roman Gabriel Los Angeles Rams
1968 NFL Earl Morrall Baltimore Colts
1967 NFL Johnny Unitas Baltimore Colts
1966 NFL Bart Starr Green Bay Packers
1965 NFL Jim Brown Cleveland Browns
1964 NFL Johnny Unitas Baltimore Colts
1963 NFL Y.A. Tittle New York Giants
1962 NFL Jim Taylor Green Bay Packers
1961 NFL Paul Hornung Green Bay Packers
1960 NFL Norm Van Brocklin Philadelphia Eagles
1959 NFL Johnny Unitas Baltimore Colts
1958 NFL Jim Brown Cleveland Browns
1957 NFL Jim Brown Cleveland Browns
It's very difficult to make a case against a QB when it comes to the MVP award. Maybe baseball has it right by having a Cy Young and an MVP. There have been a few cases with both going to the same player, but that is only in exceptional situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbmax
I vote the QB award get named...The Bart Starr Award!:cool:
Nice idea for the award name Guniness.
I say give it to JJ Watt. Yeah his team is likely not making the playoffs but they have a chance thanks to him. If that doesnt convince you then maybe his sick dance moves on the cell phone commercial.
Rodgers.
Doc Holmes not only posses a foot long wood, he also posses an MD and a PhD concurrently. That means he is authorized to prescribe dope. Two or 3 spoonful of heroins should do the trick.Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand
As the top award in college football is named after the great USC Trojans RB, Heisman Trophy, the NFL MVP award should be named "The Manning" or the "P-Mann." Peyton Manning, after all, has won it more times than anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guiness
He has to die first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrion Lannister
why? Are you a sadist?Quote:
Originally Posted by woodbuck27
JJ will get votes, but if Rodgers doesn't crap the bed in the final 2 games, I think he wins. It just won't be a slam dunk.
Wikipedia:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrion Lannister
Heisman was born in Cleveland, Ohio, the son of Sara (née Lehr) and Johann Michael Heisman.[3]:3–6 He grew up in northwestern Pennsylvania near Titusville, where he played varsity football for Titusville High School in 1884, 1885, and 1886, and was salutatorian of his graduating class.[4] He went on to play football at Brown University (1887–1889)[2] and at the University of Pennsylvania (1890–1891).[5] He graduated from the University of Pennsylvania Law School in 1892.[5]
Also, Woodbuck might be on to something, the award bearing his name wasn't named that until his death.
The media is all over this:
Add Tony Romo and to some extent Russell Wilson to the NFL MVP conversation.
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