Should the Packers next DC be Jim Leonhard?

I think we all admit we want Dom gone... so who should we hire? Based on what I've seen this year from the Badger defense, who have excelled despite injuries and play incredible assignment sure defense, I'm confident that Leonhard is a guy who is going to be an NFL coach very soon. He understands what it takes to succeed in today's NFL, and he would probably relate far better to the young players we have who seem to be developing too slowly. He is young and hungry. I'm not interested in some old retread.

Thoughts?

No. Part is being selfish that I don't want Jimmy to leave WI after one year of DC. He's a great coach for college kids as his style fits there very well.

I also don't think that a guy with 2 yrs of coaching experience is worthy of a DC role in the NFL.

If the Packers don't hire him, someone else will. Can't imagine him sticking around at UW very long unless he's got all the money he could ever want and just wants to be around Madison.

Every time I get into this conversation I think of Dave Aranda. He's certainly got experience, knowledge and demonstrated success in college at several Universities. His defenses have consistently ranked in the top five or ten. I think he's a 3/4 guy which may or may not be an advantage depending on what the Pack wants.

Right now Aranda is at LSU with a pretty cush position and contract, so I don't know if he's looking for a change or a career in the NFL. I wouldn't mind him leaving LSU in the lurch either.

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Originally Posted by King Friday

I think we all admit we want Dom gone... so who should we hire? Based on what I've seen this year from the Badger defense, who have excelled despite injuries and play incredible assignment sure defense, I'm confident that Leonhard is a guy who is going to be an NFL coach very soon. He understands what it takes to succeed in today's NFL, and he would probably relate far better to the young players we have who seem to be developing too slowly. He is young and hungry. I'm not interested in some old retread.

Thoughts?

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As mentioned, he has only coached for 2 years and likely will get a couple more before being hired away.

I agree about someone young and hungry unless a guy like Wade Phillips or Gregg Williams comes available. A guy who is successful everywhere he goes.

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Originally Posted by bobblehead

I agree about someone young and hungry unless a guy like Wade Phillips or Gregg Williams comes available.

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It's close to Mutiny of the Bounty for Williams in Cleveland.

for the record I would prefer Richard Lionheart as the new defensive coordinator.

Jim Schwartz has done well for himself but you have to draft his guys. Not sure its a better match than Capers.

You also need to tolerate his willingness to anonymously trash the head coach like he did to Pederson earlier this year.

Jim Leonard has 2 years of coaching experience. No.

Boy, I was laughing at the notion of Jimmy leaving after one year to be an NFL DC, but he sure is one heck of a coach, eh? I am happy to be wrong for him and his family. Dude is excelling.

Our next DC will be Dom Capers... he ain't going anywhere.

Our window has passed with Rodgers.

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Originally Posted by pbmax

Jim Schwartz has done well for himself but you have to draft his guys. Not sure its a better match than Capers.

You also need to tolerate his willingness to anonymously trash the head coach like he did to Pederson earlier this year.

Jim Leonard has 2 years of coaching experience. No.

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Schwartz is a hell of a defensive coach...but he probably will never aspire to only be a defensive coordinator. He always thinks he can be top dog, and that is where he fails tremendously.

I don't care about experience. Being a great manager of people is something you are born with...it is not a trait that can easily be learned. Leonhard started in the league for 4+ years...he knows the game. Honestly, I'm not convinced at this point that Leonhard should be considered if Dom is to be replaced...or that he would even want to leave the college ranks. However, I'm starting to think the Packers should at least kick the tires and see what the guy is thinking about in terms of his career path if the Packers are going to be cleaning house on that side of the ball at year end.

HELL NO; not sacrificing the Badgers for a GB DC position and then listen to Wist hammer him for the next five years

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Originally Posted by Bretsky

HELL NO; not sacrificing the Badgers for a GB DC position and then listen to Wist hammer him for the next five years

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Wait to think of the team ahead of yourself B!

:D

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Originally Posted by wist43

Our next DC will be Dom Capers... he ain't going anywhere.

Our window has passed with Rodgers.

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You make it sound like Rodgers is past his prime and ready to retire.

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Originally Posted by pbmax

Wait to think of the team ahead of yourself B!

:D

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You can call me Benedict, but if you made me choose National Championship for the Big Red or Super Bowl for the Pack.................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMzd40i8TfA

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Originally Posted by Pugger

You make it sound like Rodgers is past his prime and ready to retire.

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It isn't that Rodgers is past his prime... he's still got some awesome years ahead of him.

The problem is what it would take, and the time it would take, to put a championship caliber team around him. So many of TT's draft picks are pedestrian or worse... Rodgers would really have to play at a super- human level for us to win another championship.

Add to the talent deficiency the fact that Capers is still our DC (the game has clearly passed him by - what is he, 80 years old now??), and we simply don't have a realistic shot at another SB in the foreseeable future - which is probably the rest of Rodgers' career.

If they fired Capers I'd be more optimistic, but it is pretty obvious that Capers isn't going anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Bretsky

HELL NO; not sacrificing the Badgers for a GB DC position and then listen to Wist hammer him for the next five years

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I'd be willing to put up with Capers for another year if it got the Badgers a National Championship - but, I'd want full credit for making the sacrifice :)

I think Jimmy is a heck of a coach clearly but let's also not forget he has a stacked senior laden lineup of guys with in general 2-3 years of experience. Let's see how he does next year before we crown him. It certainly looks very promising.

I would rather have Aranda just due to how long he's done it and been successful in a variety of situations.

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Originally Posted by call_me_ishmael

I think Jimmy is a heck of a coach clearly but let's also not forget he has a stacked senior laden lineup of guys with in general 2-3 years of experience. Let's see how he does next year before we crown him. It certainly looks very promising.

I would rather have Aranda just due to how long he's done it and been successful in a variety of situations.

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I would take Aranda in GB as well; but he's got a cush job as one of the highest paid DC's in college football and I'm not sure if he wants in the NFL

As to Leonard, dude it phenominal at half time adjustments. The numbers are f'ckin silly good

A ton of talent at LB is injured and Badge didn't miss a beat; scary what this defense would be if hey had those guys too.

I would disagree with Wist. Capers being gone is clearly on its way. It seems MM is about a solid year behind the sentiment in terms of letting coaches go based on his past dealings. He tends to be too loyal. But I think Dom is history.
NOW BASED ON PAST....there will probably be 1 or 2 outstanding DC's available, and MM will drag his feet with his decision, and we'll lose out on them while MM is assessing everything.

But I think he's gone and I'm fine with that even though I think he's only partially....50 percent MAX at fault.

The guy who is here as long as he wants is TT; Murphy IMO doesn't have stones to make any call even if you wanted to argue it might be time.

I'm on the Mike Nolan or Dennis Thurman train for DC.

I got news for you. The defense is on its way to outperforming the offense. Sure that's a low bar right now, but an average performance from the D will be hard pressed to justify Thompson forcing McCarthy to dump the DC.

Right now, even with the Rodgers led early offense still in the mix, the Offense is ranked 13th and the Defense 18th according to DVOA. And that is without ANY of the pass rush they expected from this roster save improvement from Clark.

You will need to fire McCarthy to be rid of Capers.

D has played and looked better but eazy to do against Chi and Bal.

Let’s see how they look on Sunday. I am guessing Pitt doesn’t suit up their punter unless he is their holder for punts and field goals.

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Originally Posted by ThunderDan

D has played and looked better but eazy to do against Chi and Bal.

Let’s see how they look on Sunday. I am guessing Pitt doesn’t suit up their punter unless he is their holder for punts and field goals.

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Yes, after Sunday night nobody is going to singing the praises of our defense. The only teams who we still have to play that don't have much of an offense are the Browns and Bucs because their QB is Ryan Fitzpatrick.

I think we have enough players on this defense that a competent DC could work with but with the cluster-fuck of a mess we have right now we look dreadful against any average offense.

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Originally Posted by pbmax

I got news for you. The defense is on its way to outperforming the offense. Sure that's a low bar right now, but an average performance from the D will be hard pressed to justify Thompson forcing McCarthy to dump the DC.

Right now, even with the Rodgers led early offense still in the mix, the Offense is ranked 13th and the Defense 18th according to DVOA. And that is without ANY of the pass rush they expected from this roster save improvement from Clark.

You will need to fire McCarthy to be rid of Capers.

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DEBBIE DOWNER !!!

A BAD COMBO.......IMO.....EVEN IF SOMETHING IS NEEDED

Murphy will never let TT go
TT will never let MM go
MM will never "want" to let DOM go

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Originally Posted by wist43

Our next DC will be Dom Capers... he ain't going anywhere.

Our window has passed with Rodgers.

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Originally Posted by Pugger

Yes, after Sunday night nobody is going to singing the praises of our defense. The only teams who we still have to play that don't have much of an offense are the Browns and Bucs because their QB is Ryan Fitzpatrick.

I think we have enough players on this defense that a competent DC could work with but with the cluster-fuck of a mess we have right now we look dreadful against any average offense.

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To ever simply be discussing any possible switch of the Packers DC is obviously in my view dramatically MOOT.

[SIZE=1]I've been a Green Bay Packer fan since 1958.

I've been (an NHL) Montreal Canadiens fan for nearly 5 Decades.

Right now the Green Bay Packers in my honest observation of it all are:

THe NFL Version of(The NHL) Montreal Canadians.

Both Organizations are in an UGLY Mess.

The Green Bay Packers President/CEO Mark Murphy = Geoffrey Molson current President and CEO and co-owner of the NHL's Montreal Canadiens.

Green Bay Packers GM Ted 'a Free Ticket to Ride' Thompson and his Scouting Department = HABS GM Michel Bergevin (contracted until 2021-22 ... OUCH !) and his Scouting Dept..

Packer HC Mike McCarthy and his Coaching Staff = Montreal Canadiens HC Claude Julien and his Coaching Staff.

The Packers Super Star and Highest Paid Player Aaron Rodgers (who must recover from a serious injury and is in the last season of his 5 Year Option Contract) = The HABS 'Best and Highest paid Player' Goalie Carey Price (recently described as the Best Hockey Goalie on the Planet and now on the sidelines with what?... noone... very possibly TRUTHFULLY is disclosing.

Lambeau Field and Sell out attendance for Packer Games = 'The Always Sold Out' Bell Center or Hockey Arena Home of The Montreal Canadiens. In the Top Five in the World as any comparable Sports and Entertainment etc. Venue and $Profit$.

Any correct response to the possible continuing question of winning any Championship is no longer of greatest concern. Why !? The concern has suddenly shifted to 'can either of these two Proud Pro Sports Teams (Franchises) even make their League Playoffs. How much in terms of a decline may we as Fans be in denial of?

I'll revisit the TOP of this post and my most honest and upfront observation.

Both Organizations (The Green Bay Packers and The Montreal Canadiens) are in an UGLY Mess.

Why is the Packer organization in an ugly mess? Seems like the organization is running smooth as silk. Are you perhaps smoking with Jones?

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Originally Posted by woodbuck27

To ever simply be discussing any possible switch of the Packers DC is obviously in my view dramatically MOOT.

[SIZE=1]I've been a Green Bay Packer fan since 1958.

I've been (an NHL) Montreal Canadiens fan for nearly 5 Decades.

Right now the Green Bay Packers in my honest observation of it all are:

THe NFL Version of(The NHL) Montreal Canadians.

Both Organizations are in an UGLY Mess.

The Green Bay Packers President/CEO Mark Murphy = Geoffrey Molson current President and CEO and co-owner of the NHL's Montreal Canadiens.

Green Bay Packers GM Ted 'a Free Ticket to Ride' Thompson and his Scouting Department = HABS GM Michel Bergevin (contracted until 2021-22 ... OUCH !) and his Scouting Dept..

Packer HC Mike McCarthy and his Coaching Staff = Montreal Canadiens HC Claude Julien and his Coaching Staff.

The Packers Super Star and Highest Paid Player Aaron Rodgers (who must recover from a serious injury and is in the last season of his 5 Year Option Contract) = The HABS 'Best and Highest paid Player' Goalie Carey Price (recently described as the Best Hockey Goalie on the Planet and now on the sidelines with what?... noone... very possibly TRUTHFULLY is disclosing.

Lambeau Field and Sell out attendance for Packer Games = 'The Always Sold Out' Bell Center or Hockey Arena Home of The Montreal Canadiens. In the Top Five in the World as any comparable Sports and Entertainment etc. Venue and $Profit$.

Any correct response to the possible continuing question of winning any Championship is no longer of greatest concern. Why !? The concern has suddenly shifted to 'can either of these two Proud Pro Sports Teams (Franchises) even make their League Playoffs. How much in terms of a decline may we as Fans be in denial of?

I'll revisit the TOP of this post and my most honest and upfront observation.

Both Organizations (The Green Bay Packers and The Montreal Canadiens) are in an UGLY Mess.

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Nonsense. How come you weren't talking like this before Rodgers got hurt? Why does Dallas looks like shit without their best offensive player? How come AZ can't win without a decent QB? We saw how good Seattle's D is without Sherman. Houston's D is a hot mess without JJ. Watt. The Giants' might now get a top 5 pick after Beckham was lost for the season. Last year Oakland fell apart after they lost Carr. When you lose arguably your best player your season can go to hell but it doesn't mean the entire franchise is crashing and burning.

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Originally Posted by Pugger

Nonsense. How come you weren't talking like this before Rodgers got hurt? Why does Dallas looks like shit without their best offensive player? How come AZ can't win without a decent QB? We saw how good Seattle's D is without Sherman. Houston's D is a hot mess without JJ. Watt. The Giants' might now get a top 5 pick after Beckham was lost for the season. Last year Oakland fell apart after they lost Carr. When you lose arguably your best player your season can go to hell but it doesn't mean the entire franchise is crashing and burning.

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I'll stick with my observation and analysis of what is too obvious and these two long standing Pro Sports Franchises.

I'm not comparing the Green Bay Packers to any other NFL Franchise. I'm comparing the Green Bay Packers Franchise (Organization) to the Mighty Montreal Canadians Organization.

This PRO Sports Franchise:

No. 1 - NHL - Montreal Canadiens AND *24 Stanley Cup titles

Title years: 1915-16*, 1923-24, 1929-30, 1930-31, 1943-44, 1945-46, 1952-53, 1955-56, 1956-57, 1957-58, 1958-59, 1959-60, 1964-65, 1965-66, 1967-68, 1968-69, 1970-71, 1972-73, 1975-76, 1976-77, 1977-78, 1978-79, 1985-86, 1992-93

*The NHL wasn't founded until 1917.

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