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Vikings CB Jabari Price arrested on DWI
Posted by: Matt Vensel Updated January 2nd at 7:10pm
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Vikings CB Jabari Price arrested on DWI
Posted by: Matt Vensel Updated January 2nd at 7:10pm
The standard penalty for DWI for 7th round special teams guys is getting cut. The announcement should come in a day or two, although since there season is over, they might see if this will blow over if they really like the guy.
OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadScientist
We're going to see all sorts of off season stuff like this. I thought it might be interesting to keep it all on one thread.
Yea, if there were a thread for each NFL person who gets arrested in the offseason it would get ridiculous around here. So here's another one:Quote:
Originally Posted by woodbuck27
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf...r_gale_7.html\
Bigger problem, since the guy was a captain and just signed a 4-year extension.
According to PFT, on 12/26/2014, the NFL had gone 40 days without an arrest. That was the first time since PFT started keeping track in 2007 that the 40 day mark was reached. Apparently the "record" now stands at 42 days.
The article:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...o-nfl-arrests/
It would be nice if all the losers who constantly try to sell the meme that football players are more likely to be criminals, etc. would run, as a control, a side-by-side comparison to a random sample of demographically matched men.
Hard to really answer that. How do you match them demographically, by their backgrounds, or by their current status of making roughly $250k/year to millions/year?Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand
There are around 2,000 currently "in the league" during the season, and another seven-hundred or so in the off-season. Throw in a few hundred part-timers and hangers on. So roughly 3,000 were part of the league at one time or another in 2014. It appears there were 48 arrests in 2014. So 1.6%?
Are 2% of the highest wage-earners in the US arrested annually? Interesting question.
Wouldn't that be a pretty hard match?Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand
Male
21 - 32 (or so) years old
2-5 years of college
Full time employment
$420,000.00 - $18,500,000.00 yearly income, plus benefits & perks
The rates have been found to usually be lower. But the demographic match, as Patler alludes to, is tough. They normally go with a similar age or age range. The Duke study below uses figures for 20 year olds.Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand
https://stat.duke.edu/~dalene/chance...23.nflviol.pdf
http://sbronars.wordpress.com/2012/1...crime-problem/
From an outfit who politics probably don't align with yours, here is an overview of those two links and some other material: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&gl=us&strip=1
Quote:
Originally Posted by MadScientist
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/saints-...6330--nfl.html
Comment woodbuck27: This gets to the heart of the matter.
Saints sack leader Galette arrested in domestic disturbance
By BRETT MARTEL (AP Sports Writer) ...... 34 minutes ago
buncha smartasses with the coin part. Try matching them with their peers who didn't make it into pro football. Duh.
Yeah, I'm aware of the studies. The point is there is an agenda to making it look like NFL athletes are more likely to be criminals. The usual suspects lined up.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbmax
Perception can be skewed even without an overriding agenda. Things that make news often do so in part due to it not being a frequent event, but by making the news people perceive it as a more common event. Added to that you have the phenomena of people liking to see celebrity types knocked off their pedestals.Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand
But are they the same as their peers who didn't make pro football, financially or environmentally? Are arrest rates the same among residents of affluent neighborhoods and those of inner city neighborhoods?Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand
Personally, I don't know if the arrests rates are higher or lower than whoever you compare to, and I don't care. All I would like to see is for pro athletes, entertainers, etc. to be treated the same as others, to the extent that is possible. For a while, they skated off easily most times. Now, I think the pendulum may have swung the other way, and players are getting fired on allegations, not convictions.
who can tell? So don't even try to draw comparisons then. Why get hung up on differences in money then, if comparisons are null and void?Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
I actually agree with you on the treatment part - try as much as possible to treat everyone the same when it comes to prosecution and sentencing. But that isn't how it works in practice - probably for the same underlying reasons as why people would think $$ are a uniform and overarching demographic characteristic.
Even if studying it is problematic due to a small sample, finances are a huge part of a demographic. It has to be accounted for in some way, even if direct population study doesn't get you useful info at first pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand
You were the one who asked for "a side-by-side comparison to a random sample of demographically matched men." All I have done is try to figure out who YOU want to compare them to. I didn't make any statements one way or the other about the frequency of arrests among NFLers.Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand
I'm not hung up on money at all. I simply asked if $ should be a factor for you in establishing the comparison you want. Money does determine where you can live, how you can live, what things you can do, where you can go. Great wealth also attracts "friends" you never knew you had.
"Overall, Black Americans are arrested at 2.6 times the per-capita rate of all other Americans, and this ratio is even higher for murder (6.3 times) and robbery (8.1 times)."
Source: FBI.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...3/10tbl43a.xls
This post isn't about anything new but all the same I'll post this here:
http://news.yahoo.com/final-pre-tria...8525--spt.html
Final pre-trial hearing for Aaron Hernandez in 2013 murder
FALL RIVER, Mass. (AP) —
" Former New England Patriots star Aaron Hernandez is due in court for his final appearance before he goes on trial Friday for allegedly murdering semi-pro football player Odin Lloyd in 2013."
Jets LB Jermaine Cunningham gets in on this list:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...late-december/
http://www.nj.com/union/index.ssf/20...nsporting.html
It sounds like the main charge is something like sending out a naked picture of someone, but a "destruction of clothing" charge is a new one.
RE: Jets LB Jermaine Cunningham
" He was also charged with destruction of clothing "
Ohh no Mr. Bill. That's very serious....paranoia.
mmmm ...What a pervert. :roll:
Ya, sorry, I get annoyed at this constant barrage directed toward NFL players, because I'm certain there's an agenda behind it. Still, I'd compare them to peers with (few) and without money, and compare them to themselves, before and after contracts. And yes, it's a challenging demographic comparison not just because of the money, but because the mechanism of acquiring the money is so different than for others with money. Think of the vast difference in people who acquire wealth by other means, like entertainers, doctors, entrepreneurs, etc. It's like a physical lottery for a lot of kids and doesn't compare well with people who gradually acquire wealth over a lifetime of work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
The closest comparison for some might be a lottery winner. Little money today, millions tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand
Well. They're winners of the genetic lottery, to be sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
Physically, yeah. Mentally, not so much. But, brains don't pay as well as jumping ability and height. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by George Cumby
Ain't that the truth!
Chicago DB Tim Jennings DUI - http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...107-story.html
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...on-february-9/
Greg Hardy will stand trial on February 9
Posted by Mike Florio on January 10, 2015, 7:29 AM EST
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/01/10...rry-of-firearm
Jets RB (Chris) Johnson arrested for open carry of firearm
The Sports Xchange
First posted: Saturday, January 10, 2015 04:54 PM EST | Updated: Saturday, January 10, 2015 05:04 PM EST
" New York Jets running back Chris Johnson was arrested Friday night in Orlando, Fla., and charged with the open carrying of a firearm.
The Orlando Police Department confirmed the arrest for a second-degree misdemeanor but refused to disclose any details. "
I don't think this one is a big deal. I read an article that said it was for an improperly cased gun in his car. He had all the proper permits and registrations, but apparently had it in a closed shoulder bag of some sort (one article called it a book bag), and the law requires a locked case when in the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by woodbuck27
Yup. Provided the shoulder bag didn't also contain a bunch of drugs, no big.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...s-and-comments
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...olts/21770811/
Indianapolis Colts LB Josh McNary Charged with Rape:
Latest Details and Comments
By: Matt Fitzgerald , Featured Columnist
Jan. 14, 2015
" Indianapolis Colts linebacker Josh McNary was charged Wednesday with one count of rape, one count of battery resulting in bodily injury and one count of criminal confinement.
FOX59's Greg Margason reported the news, noting the incident being investigated transpired "on or around December 1." Superior Court Judge Sheila Carlisle has signed a warrant for McNary's arrest. "
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...on-paid-leave/
Colts ask NFL to put McNary on paid leave
Posted by Mike Florio on January 15, 2015, 10:20 AM EST
This is the end of the road of the very bad precedent in the wake of the Peterman example. It is effectively a presumption of guilt, which is a terrible thing for any justice system, particularly ours.Quote:
Originally Posted by woodbuck27
It also presents an excellent way of removing an opponents' player(s) from a critical game. Find someone to accuse a star player of rape (find someone in Tacoma to say Rodgers assaulted her for example) and the NFL must put him on paid leave until it is sorted out. No one would do that you say, and I say: just wait.
I agree completely, though an arrest is often more damning than an accusation.Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand
Mueller in his report said they shouldn't wait for the criminal justice system to finish, which makes sense. Not guilty is often not a synonym for innocent. But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be an investigation first.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand
The league requires that formal charges be brought against the player before putting him on the exempt list. In this case it took 6 weeks for that to happen. There was quite a bit of investigation done, with evidence that corroborated the woman's claim. Maybe a woman could go all 'Gone Girl' on a player, and make a public case that looked sensational and push for fast action, but that would take a good bit of planning and preparation to pull off.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbmax
a lot of fans buy tickets in advance.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadScientist
the other good thing, that should make everyone feel assured that the process is working well, is that prosecutors these days never file charges unless they have iron-clad cases. They never try to increase conviction rates by inducing people to accept pleas.
I'm not following this... Are you saying that a paid suspension by the NFL taints a jury when the justice system takes the case to court?Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand
What does that have to do with anything? The preparation I was referring to would be along the lines of a woman doing things to herself that would make it look like she was raped and then finding and consensually fucking the target player to complete the evidence for the police. A fake accusation has to have some well-faked supporting evidence or it won't go anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand