When Clay Matthews got hit after whistle, why did Packers have to decline penalty rather than get 15 yards? The 3rd and 20 play then turns into 3rd and 35, probably game over.
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When Clay Matthews got hit after whistle, why did Packers have to decline penalty rather than get 15 yards? The 3rd and 20 play then turns into 3rd and 35, probably game over.
I don't think it was a deal ball fould
He either takes the play and down or the 15
yeah that made no sense to me either.
how can it not be dead ball after the play. Wilson was down and he came in and hit him. shouldn't have mattered, how bout you rush the damn qb...
Not all late hits are dead ball fouls. Matthews had just landed on Wilson when the O lineman came in.
Just like Lang last week. Should have been 15 yards assessed from the spot. Aikman and Buck didn't even mention the guy jumping offsides on Sherman's interception.
It was a nightmare all the way around.
yeah i also noted in the game thread that it made absolutely no sense
it should be tacked on at the end of the play, if not you would have cheap shots all over the place on every big loss
If its not dead ball (and I understand Harv's argument that is was the same as Lang's last week) then either you decline and take the sack for minus 7 and the down OR you take the penalty, the down doesn't move and instead of loss of 7 its loss of fifteen.
I gotta be honest, I would rather take the down away on a sack than accept the penalty and replay the down. But 15 PLUS the sack and down would be ideal.
right. And just from watching the play and comparing to how it is called routinely, you tack on 15.
I get pbmax's point that if it is a spearing that occurs before end of play, you get a choice. But spearing had no effect on play, Russell was down for at least a second. I'd like to see a replay to confirm my memory.
I guess the whistle determines a dead ball...even though the ball should've been dead once Wilson was down by contact with Clay Matthews on top of him.
As we all suspected it appears the play was called incorrectly
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/po...t-on-tom-bradyQuote:
Play: Seahawks offensive lineman J.R. Sweezy penalized for unnecessary roughness in live action
Referee: Tony Corrente
Analysis: With 8:02 remaining in the third quarter, Packers linebacker Clay Matthews sacked Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson for a 15-yard loss. Matthews landed on top of Wilson during the play, at which point Sweezy dove into Matthews' back to peel him off the pile.
Corrente's crew correctly penalized Sweezy, but the Packers declined to enforce. Why? Because Corrente did not rule it a "dead ball foul," which would have tacked the 15-yard penalty on top of the 15-yard sack and led to a second-and-45 situation. Instead, he apparently believed Sweezy hit Matthews before Wilson was down.
Viewed on replay, it's clear Wilson's knee had touched the ground before Sweezy hit Matthews. Rule 7, Section 2, Article 1 directs officials to call the ball dead and the down complete "when a runner is contacted by an opponent and touches the ground with any body part other than his hands or feet. The ball is dead the instant the runner touches the ground."
The Packers should not have been in position to choose between declining the penalty or giving the Seahawks another first-and-15. It's fair to note, of course, that the Packers could have made the call moot had they stopped the Seahawks on an ensuing third-and-19 two plays later.
Its just impossible to get a well refereed game at this point. Just keep playing like your hair is on fire.
i thought it was dead ball too and another 15. oh well.
Heard clip of Mike Pereira on Mike Heller radio show. Pereira said it was clearly a dead ball foul. He said if the play wasn't dead, the action would be no foul at all. So the call really made no sense.
That call was one of 20 plays that could have swung game. But that's how competitive games work.
Corrente's crew missed the offsides on the Sherman INT and also this one. They weren't the reason why we lost, but they were missed nonetheless.
Unacceptable. That was a rudimentary call they butchered. I said in the game thread at the time I had never seen something like that and called it weird.
So where was stubby when the "penalty declined" announcement came? Why not waive the official over for an explanation? Maybe they give it a 2nd thought and properly enforce. But no, nothing.
That ref should be fined for such an easy miss and stubby needs to look in the mirror for what he could have done better too.
You think Belicheat, Carroll, or the like aren't going to question such an obvious miss?
Fail
This was a topic of conversation throughout the year, especially at the Dallas tailgate: what happens if Rodgers sees a guy jumping early, but the refs miss it and he chucks up an INT? We were wondering if he'd get burned. And he did. In the most important game.
MM coulda shoulda made a scene. Clock was stopped. Probably Stubby didn't see play well, fault might be with eye in sky.
Rodgers would have had a TD if he threw that ball to Adams on time, forget the missed call.
It was a rhetoical question. Any HC in that situation is going to be tuned in to what the call is and process it.
It was a glaring bad call regarding lack of enforcement of the penalty. He should have been demanding an explanation before just moving on to the next play.
I don't recognize your authority to not allow me to pass judgement.
I thought the yards should have been given to the packers after the penalty. The penalty resulted after that sack.
Why then was the penalty declined? Who declined it? Mike McCarthy.
Was this part of MM trying to keep the game 'FUN'.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201501...yze=playbyplay
3RD Quarter:
1-15-GB 44 (8:02) 3-R.Wilson sacked at SEA 41 for -15 yards (52-C.Matthews). Penalty on SEA-64-J.Sweezy, Unnecessary Roughness, declined.
See the Highlight.
I swear ... If I was just a casual fan the obvious might come up.
Was this game fixed !?
Come on Woody, really you are blaming MM on this. You have no idea what was said.
This is how I think it might have went down.
Ref: Coach do you want the penalty or the play?
MM: What??? The hit was after the play it was a dead ball foul.
Ref: The ref who threw the flag said it occurred during the play.
MM: No way, that should be tacked on to the end of the play.
Ref: So, do you want it to be 1st and 30 or 2nd and 30?
MM: We will decline the penalty and make it 2nd down but you know that was after the play was dead.
What else could MM do? Jump up and down and scream at the ref? Hold his breath?
If the ref says the roughness occurred during the play the correct call in that spot is to decline the penalty and take the 15 yard loss on the sack!
I understand your giving Mike the benefit of the doubt, your scenario is plausible.
As Pierra pointed out, the hit was legal if it was during the play. It does seem like one ref must have gotten confused and blew it. The next play was run without any evident hoopla or controversy. I think if MM had raised more of a fuss - perhaps calling a timeout if necessary to do it - the refs would have gotten together and fixed a pretty clearly blown call. What we SHOULD have seen on TV was a red-faced McCarthy, jumping up and down and throwing his clipboard into the ground. That might even have gotten the attention of sleepy Troy & Joe.
The excuse I give Large Mike is that his support staff let him down. There was a lot of poor communication throughout game.
Stubby probably had his head in his play-sheet and never saw the play. Instead of talking to the ref, he was probably shouting the next play into Rodgers' helmet.:-|
This is from the rule book"
Article 8(f) states in pertinent part:
"If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily. Although such violent or unnecessary use of the helmet and facemask is impermissible against any opponent, game officials will give special attention in administering this rule to protecting those players who are in virtually defenseless postures . . ." (Emphasis added.)
The ref could have penalized the SEA player for spearing/unnecessary roughness. That penalty can occur during a play.