Losing to the Bears on a night like this with first place at stake? With Brett & Bart in the house? On a national stage?
Two words:
Fuck you.
Please feel free to unleash your venom here because these sad sacks deserve it.
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Losing to the Bears on a night like this with first place at stake? With Brett & Bart in the house? On a national stage?
Two words:
Fuck you.
Please feel free to unleash your venom here because these sad sacks deserve it.
Should I send in for playoff tickets?
Fire McCarthy. Fuck him.
When I saw the blowing rain, I had a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach. This is payback for 1993 I tells ya.Quote:
Originally Posted by esoxx
I'm not. Hell no!Quote:
Originally Posted by Joemailman
Yep....thought the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand
My son texted me after game and he probably said it best, "this is a garbage team".
It is a garbage offense, and that is surprising. McCarthy has had a lot of success on that side of the ball but he has failed this year.
Nelson covered up a lot of flaws.
Nelson would sure help.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbmax
M3 did a lot of tinkering in an effort to help the whole team improve but maybe the new structure is backfiring.
Too much tinkering, perhaps, but I'd settle for players doing their job. I think we did rely on Nelson a lot to keep the passing game opened up downfield. With nobody even close to being the replacement for his skill set, the Packers are looking all too familiar to teams defending them, and the WR's are not defeating man coverage. Jordy can defeat man coverage on most plays, which means that defenses are going to send help to cover him, which means it was easier for others to get open.Quote:
Originally Posted by denverYooper
Adams getting hurt did not help in his development. He looks to have regressed; perhaps a sophomore slump. Abby is hurt all the time, Montgomery getting hurt takes away a promising young weapon, Jones has lost a step, and Cobb has had issues getting open, which is surprising. I figured if there was one guy who could consistently get open in this receiving corps it would be him.
Jordy has been hurt all season. The Packers were 6-0 without him. What have defenses figured out and shut down that Packers were able to do earlier in the season? It's surprising to go from being 6-0 to having a 1-4 November. Part of me wishes the season was just over, because it seems inevitable that the same stuff could just rear it's head in any possible playoff game. So there it would be in big red letters. The Packers have to figure out how to generate production in the passing game without Nelson. Yes, he will be coming back next year, but they need someone else to either develop and produce in games or they need to go after a stud receiver in the draft. I'd settle for the guy who can get open vs. a guy who just looked the part.
I doubt this offense would look all that much better with Nelson. Defenses know what is coming, and having Nelson isn't going to change that. When Cobb can't get open against a LB, it tells me that the scheme itself is screwed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbmax
Look at New England and how much they've lost on offense this season...yet Brady doesn't look like Rodgers at this point (although he may Sunday Night in Denver) because Belichick and his staff is far better at making adjustments and tailoring the offense EACH WEEK to take advantage of specific matchups.
The Packer coaching staff has not been adequate at keeping the team from getting overconfident after a 6-0 start. McCarthy deserves the lion share of blame here, and he needs to step in and take full responsibility of the offense at this point if he hopes for anything to come from this season. That won't happen, because McCarthy is too much of a loyal pussy to actually embarrass his OC over his inefficiency.
Goes back to the coaching staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carolina_Packer
I can damn well guarantee you that Cobb would catch 150 balls in New England. Our scheme is not designed to take advantage of Cobb's abilities whatsoever...we can't even run pick plays properly without drawing a flag.
Correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Friday
Tracy Porter interview after the game -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ax7QKiS7Gw
Every team, not just the Bears, know what to expect from the Packers offense.
The coaching staff is not making any adjustments. McCarthy thinks he is the "smartest guy in the room" but he's not .... Up until this year, Rodgers' play covered up for a lot the Packers flaws.
He could carry the team, not so this year.
Packers could have pounded it down Chicago's throat with the run game, like Mr. Blonde pounding Rodgers in the ass, but they chose to get cute with their passing game and fucked it up. There goes tying up the all time series. Fuckers. I hope they all die of gonorrhea and rot in hell.
All good points and they are suffering at WR right now. Could be that Abby and Monty come back and they make enough of a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carolina_Packer
The tinkering might have put M3 far enough out of reach of his players to where the "doing their job" part was affected. Maybe he didn't know about the video game problem until just recently. He might have had more of a firm hand in the player preparation in previous years and maybe his distance from the offense is just enough to let that wane and lapse into LAN parties.
Fuck the coaches for calling stupid shit.
Fuck the players for not executing.
Lions, Panthers and Bears games all eminently winnable.
This team could and should be 10-1. But they are undisciplined and mentally weak.
Fuck them.
It all comes down to drops.
maybe he should have just hired a defensive coordinator and special teams coach that didn't need babysitting in the first placeQuote:
Originally Posted by denverYooper
This team sucks.
Stubbornness kills teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Friday
That's why Belichick stands above everyone else. The Pats schemes change weekly. It seems like every other team just keeps pounding that circle into the square.
It seems to me arod is looking for guys to break open late on double and third moves, rather then hitting players on first breaks and these guys just aren't doing it....I have no idea how you can't get guys open when you are gashing them in the run game, but that just tells me these guys are not good. Jones looks like it hurts to run (he is basically done), Adams looks like he is lost (how bad can 1 guy be), Cobb looks like a selfish pussy (unwilling to lay it on the line) all our te's are shit...I though RR was going to step it up, but not even close. Rodgers is missing guys deep and throwing balls that give guys no chance of making a play....which tells me he doesn't trust any of them....in the end arod needs to man up and make these slugs better and just quit throwing to Adams....fuck Adams...
For years -- going back to the Greg Jennings days -- Arod has benefitted from having the best and deepest receiving corps in the NFL, especially true when Finley was productive. As a result, Arod earned a reputation as being super accurate and super productive, setting records for TD to INT ratio.
Now the Packers' receiving corps has come back down to earth, especially with Jordy injured and our TE prospects turning into busts. Suddenly, Arod is in the position of learning what's it's like to be on a team with below avg. receiving talent. His part in the solution -- if there is a solution -- is to stop searching for perfection. Take chances. Don't hold on to the ball. Launch it.
Arod, the fact of the matter is you're not going to see a ton of separation with these guys you got now. Stubby, accept the situation as it is and adjust to it...somehow. I'm no expert, but even a amateur fan can see the handwriting on the wall with this team.
Fixing details ain't going to cut it anymore. We're way beyond that now.
Nelson immediately takes the top CB off of Cobb and makes a safety stay deep. But beyond those schematics or tactics, he simply would eliminate the need for 4 short passes by catching a 40 yarder at least once a game. Its probably not too far fetched to say Nelson adds one more threatened score every game.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Friday
But as you point out, teams with lesser receivers make their offense work. It should not be this tough to be competent.
Monty would help with all the man coverage because he is exactly like a NE slot receiver.
I read an article years ago talking about the importance of a wr that lines up on the line and had the ability to get off the line easily (x, y, z, or something). Before Nelson broke out, this article said Nelson was the guy on the team that would do that. Without him, they need Adams to do it. He isn't. Cobb can't. And this offense isn't built on featuring a slot receiver.
Before, I said it was Lacy underperforming. He stepped up and the offense wasn't a disaster for one game.
The Packers have one WR worth a darn right now. Jones is opportunistic but too slow, Adams isn't ready for prime time, but he's all that's left after Cobb.
"When Cobb can't get open against a LB, it tells me that the scheme itself is screwed up."
Why would that tell you that the scheme itself is the problem? Seems like a player not able to win an individual match-up to me.
We discussed on here that Driver's time was done when teams used a linebacker on him with success. If teams really are doing that with Cobb, paying him what they did was a huge mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by call_me_ishmael
Totally agree. Unrelated to the quote I posted, I think Cobb is very overrated. He is a great slot receiver but he is also very, very small. There are lots of guys like him in the college ranks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
It comes down to these things. Stubby is not a great coach, really just average. Rodgers doesn't walk on water like many thought. In fact when the going gets tough, he's below average. TT is not the "boy wonder" most believe he is. If he were, he would kick stubby's ass. He also would have had a decent TE on this team. A good TE could solve a lot of these offensive woes, then again so could running the shit out of the football. But stubby refuses to do that, if he can't win his way, screw winning.
Blah, blah, blah. You are very boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rutnstrut
Watch some of the patterns being run. I could cover Cobb on some of these. Also, how often do you actually see a LB covering Cobb. I don't really know what the logic is behind the jogging routes, but I'm not finding anyone dissecting it in a rational way as of yet. Cobb is limited in some ways, but his being locked down/ineffective is more than him just losing it from one season to the next you would think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
Well that was insightful and exciting as watching paint dry.Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand
Ya, that's why I wrote what I did. Can't believe teams really are neutralizing Cobb with a LB.Quote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand
He and Jones are running a lot of routes where they end it quickly, like they are not the primary target. If Rodgers keeps the ball or moves, they re-engage. I think its vets taking a play off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patler
The All-22 shows near constant bracket coverage on Cobb during this whole shit-spell the offense is in.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbmax
I believe it. His DB is usually in his shorts. But it would help if Cobb was better versus that kind of press coverage. Or if someone would make them pay for that attention to a slot receiver.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3irty1
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Originally Posted by esoxx
EXACTLY!