NOTABLE TRAINING CAMP NOTHINGS FROM PACKER PRESS IN REGARDS TO WR's

Been listening to ESPN 1070 and Tom Silverstein and Mike Heller. They have watched the last two practices and here are some observations

From Day 1
Not a ton of concern in regards to Jordy Nelson knee twitch as it's on his non ACL Knee

Noted Randall Cobb packages could grow

Noted MM said Abby has had a great off season and Silverstein calls Abby GB's best route runner on the team

Noted lights out speed by the rookie 5th rounder and they think he's in GB's top 3 in speed

Noted Jeff Janis looks bigger

Some fluffy Kool Aide for the Plodder Rodgers...may have shed a few lbs and be a bit faster

General concern on our new TE being injured as he needs reps with AROD

From Day 2

From Mike Heller

Heller hopes this is not a pattern but described in detail twice in today's practice when AROD and Jeff Janis were on entirely different pages. In both instances AROD showed frustration at Janis not reading the defense correctly. He hoped it is not a pattern but also noted this has become common

PLAY ONE....in 11 on 11 drills....Janis going deep....AROD underthrew ball and bit and Janis showed next to no ability to come back and make a play....glided by..interception for a TD

PLAY TWO....at end of practice in scrimmage format on a read and react play....AROD threw to back shoulder of Janis, who misread the coverage and went deep. Directly after AROD's throw he was very frustrated, turned his back and gave direction to the other WR's on what you should have seen and the correct route.....as Janis returned he kind of let him have it as well.

Heller noted this was all too common last year as well.....and slightly mocked the fans who are in the Jeff Janis is the great one group and needs to play more and more....noted Janis needs to mentally start doing his job if he wants to hang around and today showed why AROD lacks trust.

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Originally Posted by Bretsky

Noted Randall Cobb packages could grow.

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That's some in-depth reporting

No news of a Adams trade to Siberia for a bag of potato chips?

Janis' head is harder than Finley's apparently. I wonder how many ways they have attempted to get him to absorb the info he needs to read a defense.

At this point, its not about drills in practice, its about recognition of a look from the opponent.

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Originally Posted by Zool

That's some in-depth reporting

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Gotta be PEDs you would think, if true.

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Originally Posted by pbmax

Janis' head is harder than Finley's apparently. I wonder how many ways they have attempted to get him to absorb the info he needs to read a defense.

At this point, its not about drills in practice, its about recognition of a look from the opponent.

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It doesn't help him when Rodgers pouts. Janis is a special talent, they NEED to find a way to help him figure things out. Everyone learns differently, some people are very hands on. Maybe Janis needs to learn in game type situations. The other possibility is maybe he will never get it. I hope that's not the case as imo he's a better talent than Adams.

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Originally Posted by Rutnstrut

Janis is a special

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As 2nd vice president of the Jeff Janis Sniffers Club, I'm standing by the man; he's differently enabled - and how!

janis is bigger but not smarter. see ya jj!

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Originally Posted by Rutnstrut

It doesn't help him when Rodgers pouts. Janis is a special talent, they NEED to find a way to help him figure things out. Everyone learns differently, some people are very hands on. Maybe Janis needs to learn in game type situations. The other possibility is maybe he will never get it. I hope that's not the case as imo he's a better talent than Adams.

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Adams has to force off two defenders to catch the ball. Janis gives up the pick (something Adams got skewered for last season) and you say he is better? Hahaha!! Maybe Rodgers should pull him by his facemask and explain it to him. Is that hands on enough?

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Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby

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As 2nd vice president of the Jeff Janis Sniffers Club, I'm standing by the man; he's differently enabled - and how!

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I bet you take up two seats on that bus.

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Originally Posted by Rutnstrut

It doesn't help him when Rodgers pouts. Janis is a special talent, they NEED to find a way to help him figure things out. Everyone learns differently, some people are very hands on. Maybe Janis needs to learn in game type situations. The other possibility is maybe he will never get it. I hope that's not the case as imo he's a better talent than Adams.

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I don't know if Rodgers is productive with Janis (at this point I doubt anything is), but it doesn't sound like pouting. He gave each of the receivers a reminder of what they just saw and what they should do if they see it again. Including Janis.

Though I am still concerned there is a McCarthy offense (which worried me because "fundamentals", no-huddle and Schottenheimer-itis) and a Rodgers version of that offense.

The Janis as a talent question is bigger than Rodgers: what kind of offense are you running that the best athletic talent you have had since Sterling Sharpe at WR cannot be incorporated. He's not dumb but they haven't figured it out. Heads should roll on the staff for this.

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Originally Posted by pbmax

I don't know if Rodgers is productive with Janis (at this point I doubt anything is), but it doesn't sound like pouting. He gave each of the receivers a reminder of what they just saw and what they should do if they see it again. Including Janis.

Though I am still concerned there is a McCarthy offense (which worried me because "fundamentals", no-huddle and Schottenheimer-itis) and a Rodgers version of that offense.

The Janis as a talent question is bigger than Rodgers: what kind of offense are you running that the best athletic talent you have had since Sterling Sharpe at WR cannot be incorporated. He's not dumb but they haven't figured it out. Heads should roll on the staff for this.

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That's just it, Janis isn't a dumb guy. Maybe he doesn't have a good "feel" for the intricacies of pro football; but he certainly puts in a good effort, and his team mates have begun talking about how passionate he is about playing. He has a combination of speed, size and strength that is not common. By now the coaching staff should have figured out a way to make use of the physical talent he has. Maybe not for a lot of plays each game, but he should be able to contribute. Sometimes you have to modify what you do in order to use the players you have and what they are capable of.

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Originally Posted by MadtownPacker

No news of a Adams trade to Siberia for a bag of potato chips?

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Yes, there is

Siberia has withdrawn their offer

MORE NEWS from today. A couple thoughs

JANIS is nicknamed the chosen one by some reporters. Every time he catches the ball the crowd erupts in cheers. He's everybody's fave.

The Packers rook has looked as good or better than any WR on the team so far. Lots of press hype about the rook.

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Originally Posted by Bretsky

MORE NEWS from today. A couple thoughs

JANIS is nicknamed the chosen one by some reporters. Every time he catches the ball the crowd erupts in cheers. He's everybody's fave.

The Packers rook has looked as good or better than any WR on the team so far. Lots of press hype about the rook.

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If I was there, I'd certainly be cheering Janis catch. If he plays up to his potential, that does more to upgrade the offense than basically anything other than Aaron Rodgers staying healthy. I hope Davis comes through big too, but I just bet they let him sit on the bench for a couple of years like Janis no matter how well he does.

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Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker

If I was there, I'd certainly be cheering Janis catch. If he plays up to his potential, that does more to upgrade the offense than basically anything other than Aaron Rodgers staying healthy. I hope Davis comes through big too, but I just bet they let him sit on the bench for a couple of years like Janis no matter how well he does.

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This is ridiculous. How did the Packers offense go in 2014 or before? Janis never contributed in any meaningful way and yet we were top 5 in offense every year.

We missed three things last year. 1. A true #1 WR in Jordy Nelson. 2. A running attack and not a fat slug. 3. ARod's pinpoint accuracy was off.

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Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker

I hope Davis comes through big too, but I just bet they let him sit on the bench for a couple of years like Janis no matter how well he does.

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Again, this part makes no sense either. The coaches will not sit their best players just because they are rookies.

It sounds like Davis is doing some great things in camp so far. It will be a matter of how quickly he picks up the whole playbook and the concepts of the Packer offense. I can't think of a better year to be a rookie WR on the Packers. Last year the offense was the main problem and the WR corp was average at best.

If you can come in a show that you are better than Adams, Monty, Abby and Janis you are the starting 3rd WR in GB. That is assuming Nelson comes back at full strength.

I have not considered Janis to be someone the offense can feature, like Nelson or Cobb. However, the staff should be able to figure out a way to use Janis as a new wrinkle in the offense. Something else for a defense to think about. With everyone hurt and/or under performing at WR last year, I was astounded that there never was an attempt to work Janis in. He was the only receiver who was healthy at times, was their biggest WR, their fastest WR, and probably their strongest WR, yet there was no attempt to use him. It made no sense when everyone ahead of him was performing so poorly as it was.

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Originally Posted by Rutnstrut

It doesn't help him when Rodgers pouts. Janis is a special talent, they NEED to find a way to help him figure things out. Everyone learns differently, some people are very hands on. Maybe Janis needs to learn in game type situations. The other possibility is maybe he will never get it. I hope that's not the case as imo he's a better talent than Adams.

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Janis is physically gifted but by all account not too bright. He's Bill Schroeder 2.0. Once he figures out how to run something other than a 9, he'll be productive.

^ But he did quite well on the Wonderlic I believe. That test is not the be all and end all of intelligence, but he has something percolating beneath his scalp. He's clearly absorbed and used complex information before.

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Originally Posted by pbmax

^ But he did quite well on the Wonderlic I believe. That test is not the be all and end all of intelligence, but he has something percolating beneath his scalp. He's clearly absorbed and used complex information before.

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I took the wonderlic and did quite well myself. Doesn't mean I can read a defense on the fly while a guy is bumping me at the line. Rodgers is probably the perfect QB for him though. He seems to excel on broken plays or plays extended by Rodgers.

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Originally Posted by Zool

I took the wonderlic and did quite well myself. Doesn't mean I can read a defense on the fly while a guy is bumping me at the line. Rodgers is probably the perfect QB for him though. He seems to excel on broken plays or plays extended by Rodgers.

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I think it means you should be able to be taught though.

I might be assuming too much. He clearly was one of the most gifted athletes playing at his level, so he didn't need much in the way of detail or technique. Maybe applying discipline to his technique and his reads is too much at once. But this is going on Year 4. Something should have shaken loose.

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Originally Posted by Rutnstrut

It doesn't help him when Rodgers pouts. Janis is a special talent, they NEED to find a way to help him figure things out. Everyone learns differently, some people are very hands on. Maybe Janis needs to learn in game type situations. The other possibility is maybe he will never get it. I hope that's not the case as imo he's a better talent than Adams.

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If 11 on 11 drills are not 'game type' enough for him, all in favor of putting Janis in games that count raise their hand. Thought so, 1...Jeff, you don't get a vote!

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Originally Posted by Zool

I took the wonderlic and did quite well myself.

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You know it's not a 1 to 10 scale, right?

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Originally Posted by ThunderDan

Again, this part makes no sense either. The coaches will not sit their best players just because they are rookies.

It sounds like Davis is doing some great things in camp so far. It will be a matter of how quickly he picks up the whole playbook and the concepts of the Packer offense. I can't think of a better year to be a rookie WR on the Packers. Last year the offense was the main problem and the WR corp was average at best.

If you can come in a show that you are better than Adams, Monty, Abby and Janis you are the starting 3rd WR in GB. That is assuming Nelson comes back at full strength.

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+1 and then some. Greg Jennings started week 1 as a rookie, and didn't look back for 6 years. He's not going to be a starter because he would have to beat out Cobb instead of Ferguson, but he could be the #3 week 1 if he has that good a camp.

I'll take the green kool-aid please.

i thought they were going to dummy things down this year...remember that? as for davis doing well and sitting...that'll never happen. janis sits because he's not good enough. not because of some policy or vendetta. they'll put the best ones out there regardless of tenure. just look at the secondary over the years. babies end up starting and staying, or they end up replaced by other babies.

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Originally Posted by gbgary

janis is bigger but not smarter. see ya jj!

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Jeff's ST play will secure him a roster spot not unlike Jerrett Bush did in the past.

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Originally Posted by ThunderDan

This is ridiculous. How did the Packers offense go in 2014 or before? Janis never contributed in any meaningful way and yet we were top 5 in offense every year.

We missed three things last year. 1. A true #1 WR in Jordy Nelson. 2. A running attack and not a fat slug. 3. ARod's pinpoint accuracy was off.

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This fascination with Janis by the fans and the media is crazy. The kid is big and fast but if he has problems reading what the defense is doing he's gonna always struggle in this offense. From what I can garner from afar the receivers have to be in a certain spot according to what the defense is doing. Too bad we can't put Janis' body with Abby's brain...

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Originally Posted by pbmax

I might be assuming too much. He clearly was one of the most gifted athletes playing at his level, so he didn't need much in the way of detail or technique. Maybe applying discipline to his technique and his reads is too much at once. But this is going on Year 4. Something should have shaken loose.

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Just going on Year 3 for Janis, isn't it? Considering Janis' background, that might be comparable to year 2 for a guy from a big time program.

Janis will take patience. Donald Driver was mostly a nonfactor until his 4th year.

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Originally Posted by Patler

Just going on Year 3 for Janis, isn't it? Considering Janis' background, that might be comparable to year 2 for a guy from a big time program.

Janis will take patience. Donald Driver was mostly a nonfactor until his 4th year.

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You are right. Makes me feel a little better. Just a little though.

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Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby

You know it's not a 1 to 10 scale, right?

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I failed the math section

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Originally Posted by Pugger

Jeff's ST play will secure him a roster spot not unlike Jerrett Bush did in the past.

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true unless one of the noobs shows promise there too.

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Originally Posted by Bretsky

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I don't think there was ever a lot of doubt about his talent to contribute, just his durability. So far, in his first two seasons he has only heightened that concern. If he can get through camp without having to be held out of games, he will put a lot of pressure on Adams, Janis and Davis. If he can't, I think he will have a tough time making the roster unless Montgomery starts on PUP, and/or other WRs go down. Janis was such a beast on STs last year that I can't see him not making the opening roster. Davis has already shown it could be hard to get him to the practice squad. That leaves Adams..........

FRESNO FRAUD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_KYjfYjk0Q

My personal opinion: I think they'll stash Monty on PUP for 6 weeks or however long until healthy, and defer the problem until then.

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Originally Posted by Bretsky

FRESNO FRAUD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_KYjfYjk0Q

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Weakest link? Haha!! Says the dumbass who can't even embed a video link after all these years!

I tried to trade you to a Pats forum cuz that's what you wanted but at this point I'm just hoping the Browns offer next year's rookie janitor in exchange for you and Red.

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Originally Posted by call_me_ishmael

My personal opinion: I think they'll stash Monty on PUP for 6 weeks or however long until healthy, and defer the problem until then.

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Barring any injuries, this is what I think will happen. Better safe than sorry, all that. Montgomery will say he's feeling much better but he has to listen to the coaches and doctors, etc. etc.

The big key may not be Janis so much as Abbrederis. IF he can stay healthy, it sure seems like he's the real deal.