Packers 2017 2nd Round brought to you by Stan Lee.
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Packers 2017 2nd Round brought to you by Stan Lee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxh2...-fehmk&index=3
Josh Jones, 7th rated safe according to pSparq (measure of athletic ability), 1 standard deviation above average.
PLAYER OVERVIEW: Josh Jones
A three-year starter at NC State, Jones started at strong safety his first two seasons for the Wolfpack before moving to free safety in 2016, spending most of his time in the boundary and seeing his productive skyrocket. He also saw snaps at cornerback and linebacker and lined up all over the formation as NC State's version of Jalen Ramsey. While he isn't the physical marvel that made Ramsey a top-five pick in the 2016 NFL Draft, Jones is a big, rangy athlete with the play strength, versatility and developing football intelligence that translate well to the NFL game.
After redshirting in 2013, he became a starter at strong safety as a freshman in 2014 (eight starts) and finished second in the ACC with four interceptions. Jones started 11 games as a sophomore in 2015 and posted 64 tackles, three passes defended and one interception. He started all 13 games at free safety as a junior in 2016 and led the team with 109 tackles, 11 passes defended and three interceptions, but was overlooked for the postseason All-ACC team.
STRENGTHS: Looks the part with his height, length and build. Explodes out of a cannon on his tackling angles, accelerating in a flash. Speedy in pursuit to track down ballcarriers from behind. Aggressive hug-and-finish tackler in the open field. Creates stopping power with his downhill demeanor. Physical take-on skills to attack and tear through blocks. Evades blocks with bobs and weaves, finding the ballcarrier in the lane. Quick diagnose skills to sense what is about to happen, keeping his eyes on the prize. Steady at the catch point to find the ball and finish interceptions. Versatile experience across the secondary, including inside cornerback and both safety spots (32 career starts). Improved focus, work habits and maturity in 2016, showing better accountability.
WEAKNESSES: Upright in his movements, lacking sink to smoothly redirect his momentum. Late to flip and attach to receivers in coverage, losing momentum to wasted steps. Bites on the backfield action. Anticipates well, but he is still learning how to recognize various limbs on the route tree. Struggles with double moves and combos. Needs to tweak his tackling technique to consistently wrap and finish. Pad level can be problematic at times. Wild hands when taking on contact, allowing blockers to attack his chest and drive him backwards.
--Dane Brugler (2/5/17)
I'd like to see him play ILB in Nickle and dime. Would have crazy speed on the middle of our defense then!
29 in red made a lot of plays in that video.
When is TT going to draft a white guy?
I think this guy is supposed to be the replacement for Micah Hyde even though he's not the same kind of player. He's the kind of big hard-hitting Safety many seem to crave. Myself, I prefer a Safety with strong cover skills. Bottom line, if we had to get a player of this type, Jones seems to be a really good one.
Jones looks like a linebacker too me. 220lbs already, frame to get bigger. I'd start him there.
It's ridiculous ILB speed. Exactly what we need! I'd keep Burnett and haha around.
They used Morgan Burnett a lot at the line of scrimmage and lining up over guards. Burnett doesn't seem to have the build to continue to do that and I think Jones is a perfect fit for that role in 2017. He has to have good vision and still under cut or go over the top of linemen and that is tricky because if you are guessing ala Clay Matthews you take yourself and other teammates out of the play.
This year he replaces Hyde, next year he replaces Burnett who is at the end of his second contract.
Tex, you only need one safety with cover skills, and that is haha. This was a good now and later piick
From strictly a size/speed standpoint I would agree with you, but watch some game tape and I think you'll rethink that.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustinHarrell
Specifically the Vandy game... my God, was he bad. Couldn't diagnose, press the edge, disengage... in short, he was completely useless.
When they drafted him, roving the underneath zone was my first thought too, but after watching some of his tape I'm not sure he can handle it. Hell need to be really coached up, and I have exactly no faith in our defensive coaching staff.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...every-nfl-pick
No. 61 Green Bay Packers: Josh Jones, Safety, North Carolina State
Strengths: Size, speed, experience, versatility.
Weaknesses: Instincts, gamble-and-guess habits.
Jones is a 220-pound safety who ran a 4.41-second combine 40 (with other outstanding drills). He started for a major program from his freshman year forward and lined up everywhere from the box to the slot to free safety for the Wolfpack. For all of this, he received almost no predraft buzz.
OK, this is a great safety class, so standing out from the crowd was more difficult than usual. But Jones’ combine results alone should have made him a draftnik binky. But no. It was “Jabrill Peppers” this and “Obi Melifonwu” that.
Maybe the name was the problem. “Josh Jones” may not be a cursed name like Mike Williams, but it is generic, suggesting that Jones is Defensive Prospect X and not Crazy Athletic Harrison Smith-Like Guy. Jones needs a proper 2017 safety name, the kind that combines a religious figure from history with a spicy food and lots of vowels.
From now on, Jones will be known as either Confucius Habanero or Zarathustra Hotwing.
On second thought, it won’t take long for Jones’ play to make a name for itself.
Packers GM Ted Thompson is stuck in "draft for the secondary" mode right now. It may not accurately reflect what we perceive to be the Packers' needs. But at least he is grabbing some good players.
Grade: B
You could go with Jesus Serrano, but that might be one of Madtown's relatives. :rs:Quote:
Maybe the name was the problem. “Josh Jones” may not be a cursed name like Mike Williams, but it is generic, suggesting that Jones is Defensive Prospect X and not Crazy Athletic Harrison Smith-Like Guy. Jones needs a proper 2017 safety name, the kind that combines a religious figure from history with a spicy food and lots of vowels.
From now on, Jones will be known as either Confucius Habanero or Zarathustra Hotwing.
guy at pff thinks he'll mostly be playing lb.
I'm not sure I agree with that - both the needing only one thing and the coverage skills of Haha. What I do agree with, though, is that he will get a lot of work as a de facto LB for the Packers, and that's a good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobblehead
Player one:
6 ft, 1 in
222 lbs
32 3/8 arms
9.25 hands
4.38 40-yd
1.52 10-yd
2.52 20-yd
4.26 SS
7.13 3 cone
35.5 vert
10 ft broad jump
16 reps
Player two:
6'2"
220 lbs
32 arms
9.375 hands
4.41 40-yd
unavailabe 10-yd
unavailabe 20-yd
4.40 SS
7.05 3 Cone
37.5 vertical
11 ft broad jump
20 reps
One of these players in Josh Jones. The other one is a current NFL star. Major hint: Josh Jones wasn't drafted to play safety. He'll probably be listed a safety for semantics, though.
Shazier?
Dione jones last year
Deion Jones? That's the comparison that came to mind for me when I saw video of Josh. If he were making the same switch Deion made we'll know right away. He'll be at least 230 by August.
No doubt the theme of this draft is speed.
Deion Jones is the answer. I'm impressed. It's probably unfair to say he was drafted to play ILB, but I think he'll spend a lot of time there. Let's hope it goes as well as it did for Deion Jones.
I'd say he has great potential as an extra man in the box but if he's going to actually play ILB he'll need to be able to hold up against the run. That'll be a big test at 220 and new to the position in the NFL. Eventually perhaps but I don't think that's real likely for awhile. It'll be interesting to see if Burnett does some of that first. He'll match up against big TE's as a nickel/dime pass defender but not as an ILB as much I don't think...
I said it in the other thread, I'm gonna make it stick. Josh "the ghostpepper" Jones.Quote:
Originally Posted by pbmax
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Josh Jones, playing nickel LB, makes nice play cutting underneath TE Beau Sandland to break up pass. Good closing speed for #Packers rookie.
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Josh Jones has had a few nice breakups thus far #Packers
It's early, but he's kind of the talk of the defense so far.
http://packerswire.usatoday.com/2017...dded-practice/
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“Josh Jones is exactly what we thought he was,” defensive lineman Mike Daniels said on Saturday. “He comes in, and he’s quiet, but he shows up with bad attitude and that’s what you need out there on the defensive side of the ball.”Jones has been playing a hybrid role at linebacker and safety early in camp. His size, speed and physicality could make him a tone-setting weapon for the Packers defense, especially in the middle of the field.
The rookie also made plays against the run on Saturday, including a slicing tackle for loss against running back Aaron Jones to end a team run drill. No. 27 seems to show up with one or two impressive plays every single practice.
Daniels and Jones appear cut from the same cloth.
“Just his demeanor alone, screams out that he’s here for business,” Daniels said. “That’s always welcomed, especially from young guys.”
I'm working with a little more than a chub from hearing that praise from Daniels.
Hopefully the bite is as good as the bark.
Second round safeties for the win.
I think the talent is there, it just comes down to coaching the kid up, and how they use him. That said, it will be a miracle if they don't make a mess of this kid... I have absolutely no faith that the Packers defensive coaching staff can even find the men's room, let alone develop a roving LB/S.
Well fuck, that's a shocker. Next you'll be telling me that Rut thinks Thompson purposefully picks players who get injured.Quote:
Originally Posted by wist43
I know.
Give it a little time, Wist.
Let us sheeple fan-types have our pre-season buzz.
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Originally Posted by Zool
Sorry guys, but the facts and history don't bode well for our defense - sadly.Quote:
Originally Posted by KYPack
I would actually argue that if we had Wade Phillips as our DC, we would be the favorite to win the SB... and I'd be stoking the engine of that bandwagon; but, as long as dunderdummy is in charge, we'll just keep plodding along at 10-6, with more ignominious playoff exits. It is what it is...
Your story has become tiresomeQuote:
Originally Posted by wist43
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I have never met a playoff loss I liked. When you make the playoffs 8 straight years, and you don't win the SB every year, you will suffer playoff losses. You know you wouldn't trade the last 8 years for any team but the Patsies. And if you did, you'd be an idiot.
He certainly has solid athleticism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joemailman
I always respect a man that can tell it the way he does see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by wist43
You just like him because he agrees with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by woodbuck27
Buuuuuuzzzz !Quote:
Originally Posted by KYPack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6RoOwSKI7MQuote:
Originally Posted by mraynrand