Wisconsin Primary

[RashanGary]

I've seen many stubborn, irrational right wingers. Maybe I'm sheltered but I've never met a stubborn, irrational liberal. You are the first crazy lib I've met, HH And I'd consider myself more conservative than liberal so it's not like I havn't looked for crazy libs.


For fucks sake, just do what you think is right. Is that so hard? And for all of your obama sucks crap, he's the best chance you have because Clinton is an unlikable bitch. The longer she's out there the more I can't stand her and I'm sure I"m not the only one (just look at the polls). She's going to sink herself just being herself.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Any assertive, powerful woman is a bitch. Nancy Pelosi is regularly called a bitch. Hillary is a bitch. MEN DO NOT LIKE ASSERTIVE FEMALE LEADERS. It takes a very, very tough person to successfully run for president.

I prefer to think of Hillary as a Battle Axe. I like that quality, I want a tough person (and an empathetic core.)

Hah! My mom, who dislikes Hillary, says that she was mean to Obama during the debates. As if Obama is a little boy, and Hillary is a nasty old lady - she should be sweeter.

The prejudice against women is FAR greater than racial prejudice. We don't think about it much because it is so ingrained. Woman are, after all, very different from men, so it seems reasonable to view them differently.

[RashanGary]

And as an independant voter, I was leaning toward McCain but now I'm damn near ready to pull the lever for Obama for almost no good reason at all except that he seems like the least slippery, lying, corrupt dirt bag that's out there. At least a bunch of his money comes from people who want a black president. I'd rather he owe allegance to them than to big interest lobbiests.

I have almost no confidence in the system. It's supposed to protect the interests of the people, but it ends up protecting special interests. Obama will probably suck too, but he's the guy that I have the least skepticism about and from what I see, that would be enough for me in most elections because I think the majority of candidates of full of shit and on missions other the ones outlines in their lying campaigns.

[RashanGary]

Well, you go on being a good liberal, standing up for the cause of women. For your irrational sake, I hope she wins on superdelegates and takes the party down with her so you can sit around dealing with a shitty fucking health care situation and wish the big bad republicans hadn't won their third term in a row while at the same time wondering how it happened.

Fuck, sometimes you do what you have to do. I can guarantee you having that screechy bitch yelling about the republicans not doing enough in congress isn't going to do a damn thing for the advancement of women. Barack, on the other hand, seems like a guy who could get up and dispell every black stereotype in the book.

[Harlan Huckleby]

what black stereotypes do you think are in need of dispelling?


i don't care about electing a woman or a black. that is of minor importance.

[GrnBay007]

that screechy bitch yelling

LOL!! That just made me laugh.

[Harlan Huckleby]

that screechy bitch yelling

LOL!! That just made me laugh.

you have a screechy laugh, bitch.

[GrnBay007]

that screechy bitch yelling

LOL!! That just made me laugh.

you have a screechy laugh, bitch.

LOL that's funny too!! I've been told my laugh is similar to a cackle. ...whatever that means. :P

[Harlan Huckleby]

i think a cackle is hot!

Hillary 08!

[RashanGary]

Oprah would be a good woman candidate. When she believes in something she sounds confident and inspired (not to mention she earned everythign she has and people love that). As a leader, those are good qualities. Hillary sounds rehearsed, uninspired and just unlikable (which speaks more to her electablity that anything else). I just don't see how Hillary does a damn thing for women by getting nominated. It's going to happen some day. With the advancement of baby formula and breast pumps, women (who still perform the life renewing responsiblity of bearing childeren) are far less tied down to the task of nurturing a new born baby. They don't have to give up their job. It will change more and more over time, eventually women will have more power than they have now and now they have more than they had 50 years ago. It's evolving. We don't need Hillary to get up and be the spokeswoman for powerfull women. In fact, I'd say there is a very strong impression that she's riding the coattails of her husband and stuck through life with Bill just so she could have this power. She's hardly a special woman candidate. She's XX verion of a slippery, lying politician who doubles as a walking stereo type that women have to sleep their way to the top.

Barack for now. Give me a great woman candidate and I'll enjoy watching that wall get broken down too.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Barack has many more election cycles where he can run for president.

I am very turned-off by the Obama campaign, it appeals to people who would vote for Oprah for president.

Obama himself - I was against him before the campaign because he doesn't have a good grasp of issues. I'm not talking about just knowledge, his reasoning seemed really raw. There is no reason why he has to be president now. I would have preferred most of the other Dem candidates to Obama.

[GrnBay007]

i think a cackle is hot!

Hillary 08!

horndog!!


:P :P

[Harlan Huckleby]

I largely agree with this curmudgeon:

The Audacity of Selling Hope
By Charles Krauthammer, Friday, February 15, 2008

There's no better path to success than getting people to buy a free commodity. Like the genius who figured out how to get people to pay for water: bottle it (Aquafina was revealed to be nothing more than reprocessed tap water) and charge more than they pay for gasoline. Or consider how Google found a way to sell dictionary nouns-- boat, shoe, clock -- by charging advertisers zillions to be listed whenever the word is searched.

And now, in the most amazing trick of all, a silver-tongued freshman senator has found a way to sell hope. To get it, you need only give him your vote. Barack Obama is getting millions.

This kind of sale is hardly new. Organized religion has been offering a similar commodity -- salvation -- for millennia. Which is why the Obama campaign has the feel of a religious revival with, as writer James Wolcott observed, a "salvational fervor" and "idealistic zeal divorced from any particular policy or cause and chariot-driven by pure euphoria."

"We are the hope of the future," sayeth Obama. We can "remake this world as it should be." Believe in me and I shall redeem not just you but your country -- nay, we can become "a hymn that will heal this nation, repair this world, and make this time different than all the rest."

And believe they do. After eight straight victories -- and two more (Hawaii and Wisconsin) almost certain to follow -- Obama is near to rendering moot all the post-Super Tuesday fretting about a deadlocked convention with unelected superdelegates deciding the nominee. Unless Hillary Clinton can somehow do in Ohio and Texas on March 4 what Rudy Giuliani proved is almost impossible to do -- maintain a big-state firewall after an unrelenting string of smaller defeats -- the superdelegates will flock to Obama. Hope will have carried the day.

Interestingly, Obama has been able to win these electoral victories and dazzle crowds in one new jurisdiction after another, even as his mesmeric power has begun to arouse skepticism and misgivings among the mainstream media.

ABC's Jake Tapper notes the "Helter-Skelter cult-ish qualities" of "Obama worshipers," what Joel Stein of the Los Angeles Times calls "the Cult of Obama." Obama's Super Tuesday victory speech was a classic of the genre. Its effect was electric, eliciting a rhythmic fervor in the audience -- to such rhetorical nonsense as "We are the ones we've been waiting for. (Cheers, applause.) We are the change that we seek."

That was too much for Time's Joe Klein. "There was something just a wee bit creepy about the mass messianism," he wrote. "The message is becoming dangerously self-referential. The Obama campaign all too often is about how wonderful the Obama campaign is."

You might dismiss as hyperbole the complaint by the New York Times's Paul Krugman that "the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality." Until you hear Chris Matthews, who no longer has the excuse of youth, react to Obama's Potomac primary victory speech with "My, I felt this thrill going up my leg." When his MSNBC co-hosts tried to bail him out, he refused to recant. Not surprising for an acolyte who said that Obama "comes along, and he seems to have the answers. This is the New Testament."

I've seen only one similar national swoon. As a teenager growing up in Canada, I witnessed a charismatic law professor go from obscurity to justice minister to prime minister, carried on a wave of what was called Trudeaumania.

But even there the object of his countrymen's unrestrained affections was no blank slate. Pierre Trudeau was already a serious intellectual who had written and thought and lectured long about the nature and future of his country.

Obama has an astonishingly empty paper trail. He's going around issuing promissory notes on the future that he can't possibly redeem. Promises to heal the world with negotiations with the likes of Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Promises to transcend the conundrums of entitlement reform that require real and painful trade-offs and that have eluded solution for a generation. Promises to fund his other promises by a rapid withdrawal from an unpopular war -- with the hope, I suppose, that the (presumed) resulting increase in American prestige would compensate for the chaos to follow.

Democrats are worried that the Obama spell will break between the time of his nomination and the time of the election, and deny them the White House. My guess is that he can maintain the spell just past Inauguration Day. After which will come the awakening. It will be rude.

[GrnBay007]

While walking down the street one day a US senator is tragically hit by a truck
and dies.

His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.

"Welcome to heaven," says St. Peter. "Before you settle in, it seems there is a
problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not
sure what to do with you."

"No problem, just let me in," says
the man.

"Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have you
spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend
eternity."

"Really, I've made up my mind. I want to
be in heaven," says the senator.

"I'm sorry, but we have our rules."

And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down,
down to hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green
golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all
his friends and other politicians who had worked with him.

Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake
his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the
expense of the people.

They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and
champagne.

Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly guy who has a good
time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that before he
realizes it, it is time to go.

Every one gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises...

The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven where St. Peter is
waiting for him.

"Now it's time to visit heaven."

So, 24 hours pass with the senator joining a group of contented souls
moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time
and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.

"Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your
eternity."

The senator reflects for a minute,
then he answers: "Well, I would
never have said it before, I mean
heaven has been delightful, but



I think I would be better off in hell."

So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator
and he goes down, down, down to hell.

Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land
covered with waste and garbage.

He sees all his friends, dressed in
rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from
above.

The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder. "I don't
understand," stammers the senator. "Yesterday I was here and there was a golf
course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced
and had a great time. Now
there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable.What
happened?"

The devil looks at him, smiles and says, "Yesterday we were campaigning...



Today you voted."

[rdanomly]

I think the author is missing the difference between Obama and recent candidates. The author (and others) are mistaking a messianic atmosphere for someone that listens. I'm for Obama not because he is promising to provide solutions. I'm for him because he seems willing to listen to others and enable them to work toward solutions.

I want to be a part of those solutions. I'm willing to work for that, I don't want someone else to do it for me. Call me young & naive, but the other alternatives seem like more of the same that has gotten our country into the messes we are in now.

That being said, if Hillary somehow does win enough delegates, I'll support her as well.

[Joemailman]

that screechy bitch yelling

LOL!! That just made me laugh.

you have a screechy laugh, bitch.

LOL that's funny too!! I've been told my laugh is similar to a cackle. ...whatever that means. :P

Is it something like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxZUF...eature=related

[Joemailman]

I largely agree with this curmudgeon:

The Audacity of Selling Hope
By Charles Krauthammer, Friday, February 15, 2008

There's no better path to success than getting people to buy a free commodity. Like the genius who figured out how to get people to pay for water: bottle it (Aquafina was revealed to be nothing more than reprocessed tap water) and charge more than they pay for gasoline. Or consider how Google found a way to sell dictionary nouns-- boat, shoe, clock -- by charging advertisers zillions to be listed whenever the word is searched.

And now, in the most amazing trick of all, a silver-tongued freshman senator has found a way to sell hope. To get it, you need only give him your vote. Barack Obama is getting millions.

This kind of sale is hardly new. Organized religion has been offering a similar commodity -- salvation -- for millennia. Which is why the Obama campaign has the feel of a religious revival with, as writer James Wolcott observed, a "salvational fervor" and "idealistic zeal divorced from any particular policy or cause and chariot-driven by pure euphoria."

"We are the hope of the future," sayeth Obama. We can "remake this world as it should be." Believe in me and I shall redeem not just you but your country -- nay, we can become "a hymn that will heal this nation, repair this world, and make this time different than all the rest."

And believe they do. After eight straight victories -- and two more (Hawaii and Wisconsin) almost certain to follow -- Obama is near to rendering moot all the post-Super Tuesday fretting about a deadlocked convention with unelected superdelegates deciding the nominee. Unless Hillary Clinton can somehow do in Ohio and Texas on March 4 what Rudy Giuliani proved is almost impossible to do -- maintain a big-state firewall after an unrelenting string of smaller defeats -- the superdelegates will flock to Obama. Hope will have carried the day.

Interestingly, Obama has been able to win these electoral victories and dazzle crowds in one new jurisdiction after another, even as his mesmeric power has begun to arouse skepticism and misgivings among the mainstream media.

ABC's Jake Tapper notes the "Helter-Skelter cult-ish qualities" of "Obama worshipers," what Joel Stein of the Los Angeles Times calls "the Cult of Obama." Obama's Super Tuesday victory speech was a classic of the genre. Its effect was electric, eliciting a rhythmic fervor in the audience -- to such rhetorical nonsense as "We are the ones we've been waiting for. (Cheers, applause.) We are the change that we seek."

That was too much for Time's Joe Klein. "There was something just a wee bit creepy about the mass messianism," he wrote. "The message is becoming dangerously self-referential. The Obama campaign all too often is about how wonderful the Obama campaign is."

You might dismiss as hyperbole the complaint by the New York Times's Paul Krugman that "the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality." Until you hear Chris Matthews, who no longer has the excuse of youth, react to Obama's Potomac primary victory speech with "My, I felt this thrill going up my leg." When his MSNBC co-hosts tried to bail him out, he refused to recant. Not surprising for an acolyte who said that Obama "comes along, and he seems to have the answers. This is the New Testament."

I've seen only one similar national swoon. As a teenager growing up in Canada, I witnessed a charismatic law professor go from obscurity to justice minister to prime minister, carried on a wave of what was called Trudeaumania.

But even there the object of his countrymen's unrestrained affections was no blank slate. Pierre Trudeau was already a serious intellectual who had written and thought and lectured long about the nature and future of his country.

Obama has an astonishingly empty paper trail. He's going around issuing promissory notes on the future that he can't possibly redeem. Promises to heal the world with negotiations with the likes of Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Promises to transcend the conundrums of entitlement reform that require real and painful trade-offs and that have eluded solution for a generation. Promises to fund his other promises by a rapid withdrawal from an unpopular war -- with the hope, I suppose, that the (presumed) resulting increase in American prestige would compensate for the chaos to follow.

Democrats are worried that the Obama spell will break between the time of his nomination and the time of the election, and deny them the White House. My guess is that he can maintain the spell just past Inauguration Day. After which will come the awakening. It will be rude.

Anyone who has read Krauthammer the last few years knows he prefers a President who sells fear. Selling hope? We need to be protected from that guy.

[Partial]

I am certainly hoping its "lets hope the hell not" instead of "yes we can"

[Harlan Huckleby]

Anyone who has read Krauthammer the last few years knows he prefers a President who sells fear. Selling hope? We need to be protected from that guy.

Associating Krauthammer with fear serves the same purpose as tagging the hope label to Obama: sway emotions, ignore arguments.

Krauthammer is very conservative, thoughtful & provocative. He can be extreme on foreign policy, but I would never dismiss him. I don't think he has an axe to grind with Obama.

Bill Kristol is another right-wing pundit whose intelligence I respect. He is on the Obama bandwagon, or at least has been promoting his prospects. Kristol says the fall election is going to be focused on national security, and I believe Kristol is pushing Obama because he thinks he will be an easy mark for McCain.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Clinton, Obama Supporters Say Fight May Hurt Party
By Susan Decker

Feb. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Supporters of Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama say they are concerned that a protracted Democratic presidential nomination fight over delegates may hurt the party's chance to win in November.

Obama and Clinton are vying for votes before Wisconsin's Feb. 19 primary, and are gearing up for nominating contests in Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania. With the pledged delegate count close, they are also sparring over whether so-called superdelegates, members of Congress, governors and party leaders, are free to back either candidate.

``The goal is that at the end of the day we don't have such an internecine battle that we lose the general election,'' New York Senator Charles Schumer, a Clinton supporter, said today on NBC's ``Meet the Press'' program. ``We are on the edge of victory here.''

Senator Dick Durbin of Illinois, an Obama supporter, said that if the convention appears to have been decided ``in the backroom'' by the party elite, ``that isn't any good for the Democratic Party.''

To win the Democratic nomination, a candidate has to receive 2,025 delegates. Obama, an Illinois senator, has accumulated 1,037 pledged Democratic National Convention delegates to Clinton's 953, according to an unofficial tally by thegreenpapers.com, a nonpartisan Web site that compiles election statistics. The count doesn't include the almost 800 superdelegates.

Superdelegates

Clinton has been leading among the superdelegates who've expressed a preference. One, Georgia Congressman John Lewis, a prominent black supporter of Clinton, told the New York Times he now plans to give his vote to Obama.

Clinton campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson said on CBS's ``Face the Nation,'' today that the campaign isn't losing many of the superdelegates who earlier pledged their support to the former first lady.

``Our superdelegates are staying with us,'' he said. Obama has about a 1 percent lead over Clinton on the delegate count, he said. ``That's essentially a tie.''

Clinton supporter Ohio Governor Ted Strickland said today that his responsibility as a superdelegate is to ``vote my conscience'' if the state primaries and caucuses don't determine the nominee. Wisconsin Governor James Doyle, an Obama supporter and superdelegate, said they should cast their votes for the candidate who gets the most votes in the nominating contests.

`Absolute Disaster'

``It would be an absolute disaster for the Democratic Party for the superdelegates to undo the will of the people who have been selected in the primaries and in the caucuses and by the rules that were set out,'' Doyle said on Fox News Sunday.

The campaigns also continue to clash about allowing delegates from the disputed Florida and Michigan primaries that Clinton won to participate in the nominating convention vote.

The Democratic Party stripped Michigan and Florida of their delegates to the convention as punishment for holding votes before the sanctioned date of Feb. 5. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, head of the Democratic National Convention, has said delegates from those states shouldn't decide the nominee.

Clinton supporter Strickland said on Fox that party rules allow the credentials committee at the August convention to make that decision. Allowing the Michigan and Florida delegates to be seated and help choose the nominee is ``basically unfair,'' Obama backer Doyle said. ``The rules are the rules. They were very clear.''