You would think that would be a solid number, but different news organizations have different totals. I saw two with Hillary ahead.Originally Posted by Joemailman
You would think that would be a solid number, but different news organizations have different totals. I saw two with Hillary ahead.
I think this is blarney. Show me a source.
I think another factor going on in Florida is that it is no longer Jeb Bush's state. He was a popular governor, I expect he helped GW considerably in 2000, 2004.
I think Florida is a purple state, it could go either way. McCain would do well to pick up the Governor as VP, that Jesus Crist guy.
What could be more undemocratic than the super delegates reversing the wishes of the voters? It sounds like maybe you want the super delegates to hand Hillary a victory she can't win with the voters.
By the way, Obama is the projected winner in Maine.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23098411/
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Chuck Todd, NBC's senior political director, was talking about it today on Meet the Press.I think this is blarney. Show me a source.
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What could be more undemocratic than the super delegates reversing the wishes of the voters? It sounds like maybe you want the super delegates to hand Hillary a victory she can't win with the voters.Huh? Why? The Super Delegates were created to act independently, not to rubber stamp the pledge delegates. They can decide whenever they want and for whoever they want. The idea is that they are extra wise people and can look out better for the party, act as a counterweight to popular passions.
If you are worried about democracy, throw out the caucus results and hold primaries to find out what the voters think.
By the way, Obama is the projected winner in Maine.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23098411/
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
Okay, maybe my explanation was a little off, here is an explanation from newsday.com
So the super delegates had more uses than just one specific one.Super delegates were created as part of the Democratic Party reforms after the debacle of 1972, when a too-liberal candidate, Sen. George McGovern, made it to the head of the ticket. The reforms emphasized the proportional allocation of delegates in primaries and the selection of super delegates who could provide the ballast needed in close contests or could guide the party away from a disastrous choice. They were to be "a safety valve," as one super delegate put it recently.
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You're crazy. You think the 30-70 people are not going to show up to vote?? They may not be crazy about McCain but they'll still pledge their republican vote proudly that day and make their voice heard. This is the age group that gets out in full-force every year. That was a really dumb comment to make man.Really, Partial?
Well, he's going to have to steal a helluva lot of Democrats to make up for the number of conservatives that are going to be sitting at home on election day.
Well, first all, the "wishes of the voters" are not well indicated by all the caucus states that he won. I suspect Hillary would win the popular vote handily if full primary elections were held in all states.
I agree that superdelegates are undemocratic. Excluding the Florida voters was also undemocratic. Caucuses are undemocratic. All the chicanery is stupid.
The Super Delegates ARE voters. They should be able to vote any way they want, whenever they want, and by the rules they count as much as the pledge delegates.
Hillary wins if she gets the most delegates, super + pledge combined, and I certainly would expect Barak supporters to respect that result.
You don't think the rules should be changed midstream, do you?
Jesus Chirst, Partial......You're crazy. You think the 30-70 people are not going to show up to vote?? They may not be crazy about McCain but they'll still pledge their republican vote proudly that day and make their voice heard. This is the age group that gets out in full-force every year. That was a really dumb comment to make man.Really, Partial?
Well, he's going to have to steal a helluva lot of Democrats to make up for the number of conservatives that are going to be sitting at home on election day.
Yes, I do! Why do you think McCain is going around trying to shmooze the conservative base? Do you think it is a coincidence that we are seeing all of these conservative talk-show hosts speak out against McCain? Partial, the republican establishment does not want McCain. While he's not the liberal some paint him to be he still leans to the left on issues and has muddled across party lines.
Listen to a C-Span call in show. You will hear people, real people that don't have their heads in the cloud, show their skepticism about McCain.
Maybe in your little bubble you can skew the information to come out with logical statements, but the truth is that some conservatives will stay home on election day.
"I've got one word for you- Dallas, Texas, Super Bowl"- Jermichael Finley
The Super delegates are a crazy idea. "ballast" means they are there to be a counterweight to the popular will.
I understand that Obama supporters are gonna be upset, but those are the rules of the game.
Mmmmmm.......the electoral college voting in opposition to the popular vote?
I'm not going to bother responding to that. There is a lot more to voting than a presidential selection. That, and if you think they're going to give up their voice when they're at an age where plenty of their friends, coworkers, and family members fought for freedom and died, you're off your rocker.
Stats show everything you need to know. If you don't think the older voters are going to be out in full-force that day, then I don't even know what to say.
McCain is not the maverick he once was. He is now the establishment Republican candidate, and doesn't have the appeal among moderate Democrats he once had. Bush is now calling McCain a true Conservative. That should be enough to deter Democrats from voting for McCain.
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
No, that is not quite the analogy.Mmmmmm.......the electoral college voting in opposition to the popular vote?
The Pledge Delegates are similar to the electoral college, they are SUPPOSED to follow the popular vote. (Actually I don't think they are bound either.)
The Super Delegates are BY DESIGN supposed to be independent of the vote. They are independent voters themselves who are free to choose who they think will be best for the party.
Really, Partial? You think that voters are going to look at McCain and ignore the fact that he's weak on immigration and that he has not taken a stand on same-sex marriage?
That isn't even mentioning the fact that he's managed to piss of the evangelicals of the party! He's destroyed the votes that he needs to win, Partial. He's burned bridges, cut ties, whatever you want to call it he has pulled away from the people that put Republicans in the White House.
He will get independents, Partial, but he will not be able to make up the conservatives that he will lose. That is almost as good as fact.
"I've got one word for you- Dallas, Texas, Super Bowl"- Jermichael Finley
Studies show that voters 25-64 come out in 91.1%
65+ is 98%.
You really don't think an older crowd is going to come out to vote?!?
I don't know whether they will or not, but these people hold voting as a far more important than your typical 18 year old and WILL be at the polls regardless of if they vote for Ron Paul, Obama or McCain.
The biggest problem with our country is too many people think in democrat or republican. What ever happened to looking at a track record and voting for someone who has actually accomplished things and displayed their ability to be a leader?
Our two party system sucks. I'm not a big Romney supporter since I don't agree with the way he views some social situatinos, but the cat has had success whereever he is gone. He and Richardson were the only two serious candidates with any experience in a leadership role. Governors come in with more experience typically than Senators.
Sure, they come in with more experience, but that doesn't make them better suited for the job. GW Bush came in as a governor and that turned out great didn't it? On the other hand, JFK was a Senator.
What the person has done in the past matters little, nowadays. It's what they can do and what they will do.
"I've got one word for you- Dallas, Texas, Super Bowl"- Jermichael Finley
I don't believe this at all. I think George Bush has created a distortion in our thinking. I think he is a once in a millenium disaster and should just be ignored, rather than using him to lower bars.
JFK was in Congress several terms before he became a Senator. He also was a war hero, and a commander of a naval vessel.
Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton ran as outside insurgents. But they had significant executive experience as Governors, Bill Clinton for 12 years?
Experience is good.
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