Originally Posted by Partial
Little hard to see how this applies to tax fairness.
You're right that a lot of high earning people work long hours. A lot of low paid workers end of working long hours too, though. Lots of people work multiple jobs to make ends meet.
I just am sick of excuses. I think taxing someone more because they make more money is ludacris. Fosco hit the nail on the head with his post several months back.
Partial, sometimes I wonder if you think things through before you post. I'm middle class and work over 40 hours a week. I'm a single mom and have worked weekends for 10 years even though my job doesn't require it but have done so in order to be at every one of my kids after school activities and sporting events. So are you saying people that have this "tax issue" should totally negating family values? .....who cares about your family, dammit.....work 70 hours a week!!!! With all due respect you need to live a bit more of the adult life before you begin spouting all this stuff. Right now it appears you are living in a glass house.So maybe they should get a second job? The jobs that pay a lot of money are rarely 40 hours a week, ya know. My boss probably works about 70.That's because they have less to pay tax with and when you're done paying your taxes, you will have far, far more left over than they start with before paying a dime.
People in the lower and middle classes pay less tax - despite your weasel words.
Sounds like your old man already likes me more than you.
I'm still not for a flat fee for the wealthy plan.
I'm obviously not advocating working moms taking on 2nd jobs so they can pay more tax.
I'm correcting Harlan on his math. He says lower income people pay more tax, and that is not true. They pay less tax.
They only pay more tax - as a percentage of their income. They also pay more for gas, lightbulbs, soup, hair dryers, crayons, recliners and toothpaste - as a percentage of their income. That's part of the advantage of having more money - you actually get to buy more stuff if you like. Unless Handout Harlan gets his way.
Did you add up the percentages? It's pretty staggering how success gets penalized in this country.
So abolish it altogether. Good riddance.
News to Leaper...you can't make the millions over here that you can over there in like 6 months.News to Ty...
You don't have to go over there to do that. There are plenty of companies that have nothing to do with the war that are stealing from taxpayers at home.
Partial,
A progressive tax system has been the foundation of America's tax system. They make more money, therefore they pay more taxes.
What stymies me is the President's tax position is that the best way to economically help the middle class, the working class and the poor is to provide more tax breaks for the very wealthy.
It is just a recycled version of Ronald Reagan's "Trickle Down" theory. As long as America takes care of the wealthy, the financial benefits will "Trickle Down" to the rest of American Society.
Funny how people always want to argue with Partial. He is just babbling.
Scott Campbell argues repeatedly for regressive taxes, and now he suggests we can just throw away the Social Security system. No response from the cowering masses.
Wake up, people! Partial is just a diversion, an easy punching bag for old people to lecture. The real devil is in our midst, and his name is Scott Campbell. He's a powerful man who sponsors people in high places, and he's out to destroy our way of life. You must not fear him, now is the time for all people of good faith to stop him cold.
anyone else notice that favre's retirement has actually given us a reason to spend the offseason somewhere other than the romper room
Busting drunk drivers in Antarctica since 2006
I think Scott is an elitist jerk...unless I win the Powerball this weekend. Then I'll be pissed that most of my winnings will be taxed to fuel Harlan's socialist agenda.
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No, I am saying the excuse that these people who work don't make enough money to pay taxes is a stupid excuse. If they can't afford it, than maybe they should stop making excuses and do what it takes. If they cannot afford to pay an equal share of taxes, than maybe they shouldn't be having their kids. These people bitch and bitch and bitch and excuses are made for them when they are their own worst enemy.Partial, sometimes I wonder if you think things through before you post. I'm middle class and work over 40 hours a week. I'm a single mom and have worked weekends for 10 years even though my job doesn't require it but have done so in order to be at every one of my kids after school activities and sporting events. So are you saying people that have this "tax issue" should totally negating family values? .....who cares about your family, dammit.....work 70 hours a week!!!! With all due respect you need to live a bit more of the adult life before you begin spouting all this stuff. Right now it appears you are living in a glass house.So maybe they should get a second job? The jobs that pay a lot of money are rarely 40 hours a week, ya know. My boss probably works about 70.That's because they have less to pay tax with and when you're done paying your taxes, you will have far, far more left over than they start with before paying a dime.
People in the lower and middle classes pay less tax - despite your weasel words.
Sound logic dictates that if you can't afford kids, than you should wrap your tool or better yet not have sex. Or better yet, if you're not in a committed, healthy marriage with someone you can trust long term, you shouldn't have kids.
So often people are excused for the poor choices they make. I am quite frankly sick of it.
Ding ding ding.
Except that if they cannot afford to have kids and contribute their fair share, then they should get another job, or not have kids. Having kids is a choice, after all, and if you can't afford to pay taxes than you can't afford to give a kid a good life.
That's why we should have fair tax. It is fair to all parties as the amount you spend dictates the amount you're taxed. Not only that, but it also taxes all the people who don't fill out the paper work currently, and all the illegal immigrants as well.Partial,
A progressive tax system has been the foundation of America's tax system. They make more money, therefore they pay more taxes.
What stymies me is the President's tax position is that the best way to economically help the middle class, the working class and the poor is to provide more tax breaks for the very wealthy.
It is just a recycled version of Ronald Reagan's "Trickle Down" theory. As long as America takes care of the wealthy, the financial benefits will "Trickle Down" to the rest of American Society.
See now that I don't know about. There are plenty of older people who are handicapped from the lack of quality health care back then who gave their good health for our freedom in the form of WW2, Vietnam, etc.
So abolish it altogether. Good riddance.
Since the baby boomers are going to take all the money anyway, I think they should start phasing it out so that by the time the baby boomers are dying off no one in paying into it anymore.
It kind of sucks for my generation that will have paid into it and won't get anything back, but it would be a disservice for those that need it currently.
My generation is young enough that we can fund our retirements ourselves if we start today.
Why?
Because he doesn't think he should have to more in taxes that you? He doesn't use the roads, use the water, send his kids to school on any more buses, or require extra teachers than your kids.
Why should someone that makes 150,000 pay a higher pecentage of taxes when a flat tax percentage would already be more money than someone that makes 50,000?
Why should they even pay the same percentage? That is dumb. He doesn't use the services any more than anyone else yet is penalized for probably working twice as many hours, having twice as much higher education, and working twice as hard. I think its bullshit.
If people don't have enough money to get by, then perhaps they should consider going back to school and working a little bit harder to make more money. My belief is there is plenty of money to be made in the world, but people aren't willing to do what it takes to make it.
When I look at my friends parents who do very well for themselves, I see people that dedicate more time to their families, more time to their work, and more time to themselves than your average 50k worker. They accomplish this because they are not lazy and work hard in everything that they do. I don't see them wasting 6 hours a day watching TV or surfing the internet, I see them living very full, busy lives.
Also, I think they're quite a bit more responsible with money. My grandpa has always told me that being well off has nothing to do with how much money you make, its how you live your life. He is 100% accurate.
I sure hope you have that perfect life you have planned out for yourself because I certainly don't think you will be able to handle adversity with your tunnel vision.
Mailman was just joking.
But I will try to answer your questions, grasshopper. The concept is that we will all help each other to some extent to improve society, and because we can accomplish things working together (like raise an army to defend the country) that couldn't be done as individuals. You may not agree with this value of contributing to the social good, but that's the explanation.
Most people believe that the social burden should be shared relatively equally. That's why taxes are done as a percentage. A $10,000 tax bill for you is a far greater burden than a $10,000 tax bill for Bill Gates. Again, I understand that you oppose this on philosophical grounds, but that is how most people think.
In actuality rich people pay a significantly lower percentage of their income in taxes than working people, so the system does not meet the standards of fairness that people have generally agreed upon. Perhaps this has something to do with wealthy people having greater influence in government? I don't know, just a thought.
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