What to do about the gays?

[Zool]

The single straight man can find a woman and procreate. Tab A into slot C will, as far as I know, never produce a kid.

How about we let planned parenthood give condoms away and make them readily available for everyone. People are going to have sex. There's just no getting around it. Maybe we could prevent a pregnancy or 80000 a year instead of dealing with the aftermath? Lets be proactive people.

[Deputy Nutz]

The single straight man can find a woman and procreate. Tab A into slot C will, as far as I know, never produce a kid.

How about we let planned parenthood give condoms away and make them readily available for everyone. People are going to have sex. There's just no getting around it. Maybe we could prevent a pregnancy or 80000 a year instead of dealing with the aftermath? Lets be proactive people.

Ok, I am all for subsidizing abortion, wouldn't that just be easier. Stopping people from making a mistake is nearly impossible, fixing their mistake is possible.

[Zool]

I would totally take a male birth control pill if it actually worked and didnt make my balls fall off.

[bobblehead]

First time a gay dude shits out a kid, let them adopt. Not before.

Well if this doesn't seal the argument for the anti-adoption crowd I don't know what will.

What if just a guy wants to adopt a kid, without a woman. Crazy I know but whats the difference though? It is not natural for a single man to raise a child he didn't conceive.

Up until recently they have been rejected out of hand. Now that single parenthood is becoming much more common (thanx to welfare laws that kicked fathers out of the house in order to collect a check thus ensuring an underclass of citizens that will continue to vote for you) single men and women are allowed to adopt if they are fit.

I feel the same way about gay adoption, we aren't to a stage at this point where it is quite common and "normal" so at this point I have to be against it. If in the future society becomes much more accepting and it becomes more "normal" than I may be convinced otherwise.

PS....just to add a point, there are a lot more hetero couples looking to adopt than there are kids needing to be adopted...if that changed the other way I may also be persuaded that being adopted by a stable gay couple beats an orphanage or foster home.

[cpk1994]

First time a gay dude shits out a kid, let them adopt. Not before.

THats coming a lot quicker than you think. As soon as that pregnant man that was on Oprah gives birth.

[Scott Campbell]

I don't think I have any issues with a gay couple adopting, assuming they meet all the other required adoption standards. Though Harlan is also on this side of the issue so I just have to assume that I'm wrong on this one.

[sooner6600]

Come on people; you are tap dancing around the issue.

You are not talking about the legal and financial aspects Gay unions.

a) There is the loss of Social Security Benefits.
b) There is the transfer of property where there is the death a partner.
c) There is the hospitlal denial of patient rights when partners get
physically seperated and the wrong medical care is given
against the wishes of the partners.
d) Credit scores are not given when finances are comingled.

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Lets deal with the facts and not just emotions; please.

Such drama about this should be replaced by imperical thought.

well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GrnBay007]

Now that single parenthood is becoming much more common (thanx to welfare laws that kicked fathers out of the house in order to collect a check thus ensuring an underclass of citizens that will continue to vote for you)

What in the world did you mean by that statement?

PS....just to add a point, there are a lot more hetero couples looking to adopt than there are kids needing to be adopted...if that changed the other way I may also be persuaded that being adopted by a stable gay couple beats an orphanage or foster home.

When you say there are more couples looking to adopt than kids.......do you mean infants? I can't believe you could possibly mean all minor children.

[hoosier]

Come on people; you are tap dancing around the issue.

You are not talking about the legal and financial aspects Gay unions.

a) There is the loss of Social Security Benefits.
b) There is the transfer of property where there is the death a partner.
c) There is the hospitlal denial of patient rights when partners get
physically seperated and the wrong medical care is given
against the wishes of the partners.
d) Credit scores are not given when finances are comingled.

- - - - - - - - --

Lets deal with the facts and not just emotions; please.

Such drama about this should be replaced by imperical thought.

well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Could someone please translate?

[Deputy Nutz]

First time a gay dude shits out a kid, let them adopt. Not before.

Well if this doesn't seal the argument for the anti-adoption crowd I don't know what will.

What if just a guy wants to adopt a kid, without a woman. Crazy I know but whats the difference though? It is not natural for a single man to raise a child he didn't conceive.

Up until recently they have been rejected out of hand. Now that single parenthood is becoming much more common (thanx to welfare laws that kicked fathers out of the house in order to collect a check thus ensuring an underclass of citizens that will continue to vote for you) single men and women are allowed to adopt if they are fit.

I feel the same way about gay adoption, we aren't to a stage at this point where it is quite common and "normal" so at this point I have to be against it. If in the future society becomes much more accepting and it becomes more "normal" than I may be convinced otherwise.

PS....just to add a point, there are a lot more hetero couples looking to adopt than there are kids needing to be adopted...if that changed the other way I may also be persuaded that being adopted by a stable gay couple beats an orphanage or foster home.

Actually most gay couples have to go over seas to adopt, so your last argument doesn't really hold any water. Adopting a white USA born infant in this country is nearly impossible for an upstanding white couple.

[Scott Campbell]

Come on people; you are tap dancing around the issue.

You are not talking about the legal and financial aspects Gay unions.

a) There is the loss of Social Security Benefits.
b) There is the transfer of property where there is the death a partner.
c) There is the hospitlal denial of patient rights when partners get
physically seperated and the wrong medical care is given
against the wishes of the partners.
d) Credit scores are not given when finances are comingled.

- - - - - - - - --

Lets deal with the facts and not just emotions; please.

Such drama about this should be replaced by imperical thought.

well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Could someone please translate?

I think he's just talking about the practical side of gays wanting legal unions.

[sooner6600]

Thanks Scott; you got it correct.

[hoosier]

Come on people; you are tap dancing around the issue.

You are not talking about the legal and financial aspects Gay unions.

a) There is the loss of Social Security Benefits.
b) There is the transfer of property where there is the death a partner.
c) There is the hospitlal denial of patient rights when partners get
physically seperated and the wrong medical care is given
against the wishes of the partners.
d) Credit scores are not given when finances are comingled.

- - - - - - - - --

Lets deal with the facts and not just emotions; please.

Such drama about this should be replaced by imperical thought.

well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Could someone please translate?

I think he's just talking about the practical side of gays wanting legal unions.

So are these considerations raised as an argument against civil unions for gays? These factors are no different from what happens when heterosexuals marry.

[3irty1]

Come on people; you are tap dancing around the issue.

You are not talking about the legal and financial aspects Gay unions.

a) There is the loss of Social Security Benefits.
b) There is the transfer of property where there is the death a partner.
c) There is the hospitlal denial of patient rights when partners get
physically seperated and the wrong medical care is given
against the wishes of the partners.
d) Credit scores are not given when finances are comingled.

- - - - - - - - --

Lets deal with the facts and not just emotions; please.

Such drama about this should be replaced by imperical thought.

well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No one actually cares about the legal stuff otherwise gays would be trying to improve civil unions to make them more convenient rather than speak out for a legally recognized marriage. They problem is that gay couples don't want their love to be viewed as inferior than that of a straight couple.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Come on people; you are tap dancing around the issue.

You are not talking about the legal and financial aspects Gay unions.

a) There is the loss of Social Security Benefits.
b) There is the transfer of property where there is the death a partner.
c) There is the hospitlal denial of patient rights when partners get
physically seperated and the wrong medical care is given
against the wishes of the partners.
d) Credit scores are not given when finances are comingled.

- - - - - - - - --

Lets deal with the facts and not just emotions; please.

Such drama about this should be replaced by imperical thought.

well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Could someone please translate?

I think he's just talking about the practical side of gays wanting legal unions.

So are these considerations raised as an argument against civil unions for gays? These factors are no different from what happens when heterosexuals marry.

I share your confusion. It sounds like sooner is listing justifications for having either civil unions or marriage, as opposed to the current state of affairs.

[Harlan Huckleby]

They problem is that gay couples don't want their love to be viewed as inferior than that of a straight couple.

Imagine that! What's wrong with those people!?

[3irty1]

They problem is that gay couples don't want their love to be viewed as inferior than that of a straight couple.

Imagine that! What's wrong with those people!?

Nothing its very understandable.

Its also understandable how a lot of straight American couples don't agree that two gay people can share the same bond in the ways that they do.

[swede]

"Said child is being exposed to something not the norm and being forced to deal with it at far too early of an age."

I totally agree. We should also ban interfaith marriage as well. Not the norm. And, not black/white marriage either...not the norm.



As for children being exposed to ridicule...all children get teased. That is part of being a child. If they aren't teasing you because you have two dads, they'll find another...the clothes you wear, your looks, your last name, etc.

Part of growing up is learning to deal with teasing...at least it was before all you conservative PC types started trying to make wimps outta children.

There was a kid in my kid's school being raised by a lesbian couple and I gotta tell you, not only was that a very well adjusted child, the rest of the kids really didn't give a flying f*ck about it. And both of the parents helped with the PTA, activities and all that kind of stuff. They did a far better job with their kid than the parents of the kid who thought it was ok to choke another child with a jump rope when she didn't get her way...

My wonderful neighbors are a lesbian couple raising four beautiful kids. Two are grown adults from a previous traditional marriage. One is a sperm donor a/i child, and the littlest is adopted from another country.

Dealing with real people is a great therapy for overcoming prejudice.

Anyway, I'm a conservative who happens to be religious--not a religious conservative. I have zero problems with civil union legislation and the only problem I have with gay marriage is that it leaves me feeling like Tevya from Fiddler on the Roof; things are moving a little too fast for this old man.

[bobblehead]

Come on people; you are tap dancing around the issue.

You are not talking about the legal and financial aspects Gay unions.

a) There is the loss of Social Security Benefits.
b) There is the transfer of property where there is the death a partner.
c) There is the hospitlal denial of patient rights when partners get
physically seperated and the wrong medical care is given
against the wishes of the partners.
d) Credit scores are not given when finances are comingled.

- - - - - - - - --

Lets deal with the facts and not just emotions; please.

Such drama about this should be replaced by imperical thought.

well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Right, that is why I said I am for civil unions that come with all the rights of a married couple in my first post. They deserve that.

[Harlan Huckleby]

the only problem I have with gay marriage is that it leaves me feeling like Tevya from Fiddler on the Roof; things are moving a little too fast for this old man.

I agree. I would like to allow people to hang-on to their religious/cultural ideas about "marriage." If we would limit the government to JUST performing civil unions, that could happen. Let churches do marriages. I think everybody would be happy. If the Unitarians want to marry gays, fine. Maybe someday the Lutherans will marry gays too, if and when they are ready.