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I had to remove your post to get mine on Patler. I won't comment on the first portion of your last post of yesterday, Fri. May 24, 2013... Otherwise, I make this response and in 'no way offer it' as an offense towords you, in terms of any creative license :

You and I sit on opposite sides of the Brett Favre discussion and I've always accepted that fact as OK. Because 'at least'... you post on this matter with some decorum and sense of sanity, decency and human tone of respect.

I read your post late last evening Patler. I wanted to sleep on it before using it to illustrate where I stood back in the 2007-08 off season, and throughout all the Brett Favre retiring (and again un-retiring) drama.

Going back to my immediate feelings just following the ... 23-20 O.T. NFC Championship loss to the soon to become Super Bowl Champion, New York GIANTS:

I said to a Packer fan friend of mine. That I felt that would be it for Brett Favre. I said that for three reasons:

1.) Favre had an amazing season overall in 2007. His personal stats a strong contributing factor in the packers 13-3 regular season record. He was voted Team MVP. He was runner-up NFL MVP. Team and NFL records still fell in that loss to the GIANTS. Thus an excellent time to walk away from NFL football. That especially pertinent in terms of NO.

2.) I felt that the relationship between himself and his GM (see Randy Moss etc. etc. ... etc.) and HC had regressed. It was obvious to me as a Packer fan if not to Brett Favre. That a change at QB was imminent because of the status of his heir apparent ... rookie contract.

3.) Aaron Rodgers was ready and deserved his opportunity.

Patler:

I can't say I clearly re-call your comments RE: That Favre would retire; then unretire and never play another snap for the Green Bay Packers. I believe that you did make such comments.

If we check the record and it would be here at Packerrats; because Mad gave us this awesome platform as Packer fans back in 2006.

I doubt even if I did comment on your predictions. That I would 'in all sincerety' have disagreed. I really felt that the game was over for Brett Favre as a Green Bay Packer. I'm writing here that I wasn't one of those fans that truly felt that Brett Favre must be allowed to return behind center in the 2008 season. Frankly as a Brett Favre fan I was suffering given his. In my eyes's a state of bad affairs 'no relationship' with his GM Ted Thompson.

I felt that way because of the 'last straw' Randy Moss bobble by Ted Thompson. Brett Favre's anger over that 'again' in his eyes Ted Thompson mismanagement. That any real bridge of trust between Favre and Ted Thompson was now totally gone.

I'm simply a Packer fan and Ted Thompson's 'ways' in not securing Randy Moss. The killer in that acquisition ... offering a two year contract to Randy Moss not 'only a one year contract' as Randy Moss desired. My packer fan position...Why did that seem 'ass backwards', as so much that Ted Thompson didn't do. To give Brett Favre a real shot.

You surely re-call that I felt that Ted Thompson was brought in to see Brett Favre's exit after the ridiculous way he played in that 2004 playoff Wild card game Vs the Minnesota Vikings. My way back then at JSO 'Ice Fishing story'. If Brett Favre wasn't suspicious or naïve of Ted Thompson; I certainly wasn't. Look at the Green Bay Packer performance in the first two seasons after Ted Thompson came aboard. A combined 12-20 record ! Is that an indication of the impressiveness of the new Packer GM?

Please spare me the fact that the Packer 4-12 record was under and on HC Mike Sherman. Ted Thompson stripped him of far too many assets. One of the best OL's in the NFL became 'daddy ted' SQUAT. Teddy came on in such 'a big' way. All he 'didn't do' was infuriating to this Packer fan. The dissembling of the Green Bay Packer was over the top too obvious.

Yet it's really hard to keep a good man down and thus Brett Favre's amazing 2007 season. That packer fans is how you define...'comeback'.

" By the end of 2007, Favre didn't want to be the QB of the Packers anymore than MM wanted him to be. Not a big deal. No one's fault, just the facts of the situation as I interpreted them." Patler

Comment woodbuck27:

See 2.) above.

Ted Thompson has to be one of the absolutely 'most frustrating' men I've ever encountered in Pro Sports 'as a fan'. I rank him right up there with George 'Punch' Imlach of the Toronto Maple Leafs in terms of my fan frustration if not distain.

Imlach's name in my books is: George 'Prick' Imlach.

Yup ... George 'Prick' Imlach and Ted 'slow teddy' Thompson... Boy Ohh boy ! Both of these men have certainly left an impression on me.

" I blame Mike Sherman for a lot of it. Sherman gave in to Favre time after time."

Comment woodbuck27:

Dear Lord... will the blame on poor ole Mike Sherman ever end in Packer Nation!? That man did the best he could with what he had and he was assessed and hired and kept on by the Green Bay Packers brass. When Ted Thompson was brought in as 'the hatchet man'. Why in the sake of anything sacred was Mike Sherman maintained to 'only', as it was evidently obvious. Be retained to suffer such an incredible embarrassment as a 4-12 season!??

That was simply put...'just' sick. Clearly the Packer Brass 'only' did half a job in that regard.

Ohh maybe we can excuse that one with the ole...20/20 hindsight excuse.

" Favre soon saw himself as bigger than the team, even though at heart he was a team player. In essence, he became drunk on the status he had attained. His impulsive personality was not well-suited for it. Throw in his preoccupation with his own desires, and it becomes even worse." Patler

Comment woodbuck27:

Patler, your layman's knowledge of psychological profiling is profound. I'm learning that:

There's where being a Packer fan 'insider', certainly has it's advantages or (question to self) is it really 'turned' ... disadvantages?

Where you Patler. Like so many truly 'in the know'; over us less privileged Packer fans. Can turn too being so incredibly judgemental. I can 'only' really shake my head. Won't wish you good luck with that.

I'm just wondering as so many judged Brett Favre where did the Green Bay Packers get it so ironically wrong offering Brett Favre a $20 million$ bribe to stay retired. that in return for some personal service contract extending over a ten (10) year period. Why not simply say goodbye and good riddance to his 'Rat Ass'? Ohh Dear... did the Green Bay Packers Brass make another error!?

Maybe a part of that personal service contract was that Favre would have to attend certain Packer games at Lambeau field wearing some mascot uniform!? Yea! Dress him up in 'a Gorilla uniform'.

"TT and MM were not tolerant of it, and slowly but surely began reining Favre in. They each grew tired of the other, but wanted to end it on their own terms. Favre thought he could play the fans in one final push to get his way, but it backfired and he learned that in fact the Packers had control if he still intended to play." Patler

Comment woodbuck27:

Why does there have to be in your analysis a 'good cop - bad cop' thing going on here?

It's simply this:

Brett Favre decides to retire (again). As he later looked at it and inspite for any justifiable reasons for such a false retirement announcement. TT and MM jumped all over that and moved straight on to the really 'only' direction they had. To make Aaron Rodgers the Green Bay Packers NO. 1 QB.

Then the Brett Favre waffling begins. He has a strong >>>to stronger desire to play again. His fire is lit...he can taste another season and more as a Green Bay Packer. When it really sets in that that avenue is no longer open. Favre asks for his release. Under 'no condition', not even a $20 million$ bribe will derail his desire for another Super Bowl ring. He then discovers that the Green Bay Packers cannot release or even trade him. Heck! Forget that $20 million$ bribe. His locker was going to be ...or was sent to him. He must therefore remain retired.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

This is Brett Favre gentleman/ladies. I DON'T THINK SO !

In order for arguably the GREATEST Green Bay Packer of ALL TIME to exercise 'HIS' Freedom Of Rights. The NFL HO must put pressure on the Green Bay Packers to act with some respect for that and Brett Favre. Even after the Mike McCarthy sideways 'Indian Giver' bullshit talk:

" Sure Brett ...you can compete for the NO. QB spot as long as you agree that Aaron Rodgers will get by far NO. 1 billing in all Pre-Season games. "

It was certainly now time for Brett Favre to cut bait and get out of Green Bay. The play me or trade me scenario was certainly deserved after his 2007 season. More certainly deserved after all his service to the Green bay Packers. Yes he was well paid for that service but all that went with his career. That career being over that top...amazing...or well yes...LEGENDARY.

GO PACKERS !