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    Scott,

    Timing is everything and YOU. RULE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Cumby View Post
    Scott,

    Timing is everything and YOU. RULE.

    Something was missing from this latest Favre debate.

    And honestly, without looking at the patterns of disregard for the rights/well-being of other people in his life, it's hard to really pin the guy down. He was so good at getting away with it. And then he got caught with his dick in his hand. Favre lied to his wife, cheated on her, tried to sabotage his former teammates by giving info to a former rival, tried to punish his former team for trading him away because it didn't happen on his terms. What do you think it's like when Dianna doesn't do things on Baby-Bert's terms? You think he finds ways to punish/get back at her? He's really immature. I feel bad for him because that's a tough way to live, but I also don't think his actions are acceptable and he needs to be held accountable for them. The Packers held him accountable for his retirement threats (and let's be honest, that's probably what they were. If you don't do it the way I like, I'll retire.) He probably thought he was special enough to pull that kind of stunt, but the Packers called the bluff. Ok, you're retired, fine, we're done with you and we're going with AR. More than anything, I think that whole situation was a major punch in his inflated ego. Favre was knocked down a notch. Rather than accept reality (that he's not a golden god of football) he threw a fit and blamed everyone else. It's a burden to have to be the best. The minute he can put that down and come back to humanity, the weight will be off of his chest and he'll just be happy with his place in history. He'll be able to show up, be a part of things, enjoy time with his old teammates. HE's not there yet though, unfortunately for everyone. His career is great enough and long enough, it should be celebrated with the people who were there. It's a fucking shame, honestly. It's a shame for us, because I think we'd all like to cheer for the guy. He's immature, like a little kid. Sometimes, if a person doesn't realize it, it can cause the person to be really hurtful. But sometimes, that same person can be infectious, like a little kid, and make life a joy for those around him. Favre can do both. He's very passionate. It's wonderful and sad at the same time. Hopefully he can find a way to grow in some areas while keeping the other parts of him in tact. He's not bad, he's just not all grown up like most adults and some of it is causing problems in his life (as well as the lives of people close to him).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinHarrell View Post
    Something was missing from this latest Favre debate.

    And honestly, without looking at the patterns of disregard for the rights/well-being of other people in his life, it's hard to really pin the guy down. He was so good at getting away with it. And then he got caught with his dick in his hand. Favre lied to his wife, cheated on her, tried to sabotage his former teammates by giving info to a former rival, tried to punish his former team for trading him away because it didn't happen on his terms. What do you think it's like when Dianna doesn't do things on Baby-Bert's terms? You think he finds ways to punish/get back at her? He's really immature. I feel bad for him because that's a tough way to live, but I also don't think his actions are acceptable and he needs to be held accountable for them. The Packers held him accountable for his retirement threats (and let's be honest, that's probably what they were. If you don't do it the way I like, I'll retire.) He probably thought he was special enough to pull that kind of stunt, but the Packers called the bluff. Ok, you're retired, fine, we're done with you and we're going with AR. More than anything, I think that whole situation was a major punch in his inflated ego. Favre was knocked down a notch. Rather than accept reality (that he's not a golden god of football) he threw a fit and blamed everyone else. It's a burden to have to be the best. The minute he can put that down and come back to humanity, the weight will be off of his chest and he'll just be happy with his place in history. He'll be able to show up, be a part of things, enjoy time with his old teammates. HE's not there yet though, unfortunately for everyone. His career is great enough and long enough, it should be celebrated with the people who were there. It's a fucking shame, honestly. It's a shame for us, because I think we'd all like to cheer for the guy. He's immature, like a little kid. Sometimes, if a person doesn't realize it, it can cause the person to be really hurtful. But sometimes, that same person can be infectious, like a little kid, and make life a joy for those around him. Favre can do both. He's very passionate. It's wonderful and sad at the same time. Hopefully he can find a way to grow in some areas while keeping the other parts of him in tact. He's not bad, he's just not all grown up like most adults and some of it is causing problems in his life (as well as the lives of people close to him).
    Your post reminded me of something written about Favre late in 2010.

    Brett Favre will stand on the Vikings' sideline for the last time today. Thus will end one of the
    most volatile episodes in Minnesota sports history, an 18-month window in which Favre
    sequentially proved right anyone who ever praised or doubted him.

    Favre will end his career as a limping contradiction. In a society that revels in either-or debates,
    Favre has proved that "all of the above" can be the correct assessment of a polarizing individual.
    You can take either side in a debate about Favre and be right. He is at once the most prolific
    passer in NFL history and the most erratic great quarterback to ever play the game.

    He is renowned for his fourth-quarter comebacks and clutch play, and yet has thrown more
    season-destroying interceptions than any quarterback in history.

    He is the toughest man in the annals of a brutal sport -- having started 297 consecutive games at a
    position that is the equivalent of a clay pigeon at a shotgun range -- and the most emotionally
    needy player ever to don a helmet.

    He is a charismatic leader who can unite a locker room and inspire a huddle, and he is a divisive
    figure who was known in New York for ignoring his teammates.

    He wouldn't tutor Aaron Rodgers, his chosen successor in Green Bay , yet he volunteers his time
    coaching high school kids in Hattiesburg , Miss. He launched or improved the careers of a dozen
    coaches -- including Andy Reid, Jon Gruden and Mike Holmgren -- and ended the head coaching
    career of the man who brought him to Minnesota and helped him make $28 million in 18
    months.
    He craves the spotlight but won't dress for it, favoring old jeans, sweaty golf hats and perpetual
    stubble even during news conferences watched by millions.
    He shuns the media five days a week -- a writer from Washington , D.C. , once told me it was
    easier to land a one-on-one interview with the President than with Favre -- yet manipulates
    national reporters every week to disseminate dubious messages.

    He will forever be remembered as an iconic Packer, yet he began his career with Atlanta , visited
    New York and chose to finish his career with the Packers' arch-rival, intent on beating the
    franchise that made him famous. He is a Hall of Fame quarterback who became a symbol of
    longevity, and yet each of the four teams that employed him was glad to see him go.

    He prides himself, as he once told me, in "playing like a kid," even when teammates put a
    rocking chair in front of his locker. He "loves the game" yet can't bring himself to show up for
    offseason workouts or the opening day of training camp.

    He is a Southern good ol' boy who made his reputation on the Frozen Tundra. He reveres the
    record book and NFL history but once flopped on the ground to help New York Giants defensive
    end Michael Strahan break a sack record.

    All of which makes you wonder: When Brett Favre looks in the mirror, does his reflection appear
    in 3-D? Because Favre is so internally conflicted, so relentlessly contradictory, offering a final
    assessment of him isn't easy. Remember, it was a year ago that Favre was preparing to help the
    Vikings whip the Dallas Cowboys in the Metrodome, in one of the most impressive
    victories in franchise history. It was less than a year ago that Favre was preparing to run the
    Vikings' offense up and down the field against the eventual Super Bowl champion
    Saints in the deafening Superdome. At the age of 40, in his first season in purple, Favre came
    within one pass of taking the Vikings to a Super Bowl they might well have won. Therein lies the
    Favre conundrum: He was the reason the Vikings were able to come within one of Favre's
    startlingly amateurish interceptions of doing what had never been done before in 50 years of
    Vikings history, and he was the reason the Vikings followed that thrilling season by with an
    implosion so spectacular it could probably be seen from space.

    Favre giveth, and Favre throweth away. Even at the end of a season in which he showed up late,
    extorted team owners for a raise, got his coach fired, destroyed his team's Super Bowl
    aspirations, became the subject of a sexting scandal and groveled for sympathy every time he
    stubbed his toe, Favre set a record for perseverance that may never be matched and conducted a
    dozen of the most compelling, funny, insightful news conferences we'll ever witness. It is typical
    of Favre that as his performance and machinations destroyed this season, destroyed what might
    be the last chance for many of his teammates to qualify for a Super Bowl, he remained a popular
    figure in the locker room, a source of humor and a subject of admiration. You can hate Favre or
    love him. But why choose?



    Ring the bells that still can ring
    Forget your perfect offering
    There is a crack, a crack in everything
    That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    Your post reminded me of something written about Favre late in 2010.

    Brett Favre will stand on the Vikings' sideline for the last time today. Thus will end one of the
    most volatile episodes in Minnesota sports history, an 18-month window in which Favre
    sequentially proved right anyone who ever praised or doubted him.

    Favre will end his career as a limping contradiction. In a society that revels in either-or debates,
    Favre has proved that "all of the above" can be the correct assessment of a polarizing individual.
    You can take either side in a debate about Favre and be right. He is at once the most prolific
    passer in NFL history and the most erratic great quarterback to ever play the game.

    He is renowned for his fourth-quarter comebacks and clutch play, and yet has thrown more
    season-destroying interceptions than any quarterback in history.

    He is the toughest man in the annals of a brutal sport -- having started 297 consecutive games at a
    position that is the equivalent of a clay pigeon at a shotgun range -- and the most emotionally
    needy player ever to don a helmet.

    He is a charismatic leader who can unite a locker room and inspire a huddle, and he is a divisive
    figure who was known in New York for ignoring his teammates.

    He wouldn't tutor Aaron Rodgers, his chosen successor in Green Bay , yet he volunteers his time
    coaching high school kids in Hattiesburg , Miss. He launched or improved the careers of a dozen
    coaches -- including Andy Reid, Jon Gruden and Mike Holmgren -- and ended the head coaching
    career of the man who brought him to Minnesota and helped him make $28 million in 18
    months.
    He craves the spotlight but won't dress for it, favoring old jeans, sweaty golf hats and perpetual
    stubble even during news conferences watched by millions.
    He shuns the media five days a week -- a writer from Washington , D.C. , once told me it was
    easier to land a one-on-one interview with the President than with Favre -- yet manipulates
    national reporters every week to disseminate dubious messages.

    He will forever be remembered as an iconic Packer, yet he began his career with Atlanta , visited
    New York and chose to finish his career with the Packers' arch-rival, intent on beating the
    franchise that made him famous. He is a Hall of Fame quarterback who became a symbol of
    longevity, and yet each of the four teams that employed him was glad to see him go.

    He prides himself, as he once told me, in "playing like a kid," even when teammates put a
    rocking chair in front of his locker. He "loves the game" yet can't bring himself to show up for
    offseason workouts or the opening day of training camp.

    He is a Southern good ol' boy who made his reputation on the Frozen Tundra. He reveres the
    record book and NFL history but once flopped on the ground to help New York Giants defensive
    end Michael Strahan break a sack record.

    All of which makes you wonder: When Brett Favre looks in the mirror, does his reflection appear
    in 3-D? Because Favre is so internally conflicted, so relentlessly contradictory, offering a final
    assessment of him isn't easy. Remember, it was a year ago that Favre was preparing to help the
    Vikings whip the Dallas Cowboys in the Metrodome, in one of the most impressive
    victories in franchise history. It was less than a year ago that Favre was preparing to run the
    Vikings' offense up and down the field against the eventual Super Bowl champion
    Saints in the deafening Superdome. At the age of 40, in his first season in purple, Favre came
    within one pass of taking the Vikings to a Super Bowl they might well have won. Therein lies the
    Favre conundrum: He was the reason the Vikings were able to come within one of Favre's
    startlingly amateurish interceptions of doing what had never been done before in 50 years of
    Vikings history, and he was the reason the Vikings followed that thrilling season by with an
    implosion so spectacular it could probably be seen from space.

    Favre giveth, and Favre throweth away. Even at the end of a season in which he showed up late,
    extorted team owners for a raise, got his coach fired, destroyed his team's Super Bowl
    aspirations, became the subject of a sexting scandal and groveled for sympathy every time he
    stubbed his toe, Favre set a record for perseverance that may never be matched and conducted a
    dozen of the most compelling, funny, insightful news conferences we'll ever witness. It is typical
    of Favre that as his performance and machinations destroyed this season, destroyed what might
    be the last chance for many of his teammates to qualify for a Super Bowl, he remained a popular
    figure in the locker room, a source of humor and a subject of admiration. You can hate Favre or
    love him. But why choose?



    Sounds like something off of Grantland.
    "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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