In a way. All the media circus was petty much generated by Favre obviously. I still come back to this over and over when discussing this. When Favre called McCarthy and said "I want to come back", I believe the official response should have been rather terse. Great, see you in camp. Rodgers starts out #1 on the depth chart and if he outplays him, he stays there.Originally Posted by Scott Campbell
Just my take.
Thanx for starting one of these Mobb, keeping us posted on how Brett is doing in New York.
Now, the haters don't need to open this thread and reply with insults and little sarcastic remarks every time a good word is said about Favre.
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Chad Pennington is smart enough to give Bill Parcells' latest reclamation project a chance. Not only does he know Dan Henning's offense from their year together with the Jets in 2000, but right now he knows Brian Schottenheimer's offense better than Favre. And no doubt he's already spilling his guts.
If Pennington beats the Jets, GM Mike Tannenbaum will have some explaining to do about how, in the euphoria of trading for Favre, he couldn't trade Pennington and get him out of the AFC East.
"When somebody is a free agent, we can't control where he goes," Tannenbaum said Tuesday. "The fact that he is going within the division is another challenge we have to deal with as an organization. He makes Miami a better team."
Pennington was a free agent only because the Jets made him a free agent. The Packers refused to trade Favre to the Vikings or Bears in the NFC North and would not cut him because they knew he would sign with Minnesota.
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Bucs should have tried harder for Favre
Posted by Keith Kidd
After a back-and-forth soap opera in Green Bay, QB Brett Favre has been traded to the New York Jets. However, Tampa Bay should have tried harder to trade for Favre because he would have been a perfect fit and would have made the Bucs much better.
Jon Gruden and Brett Favre should have been reunited in Tampa Bay.
It is clear the Packers didn't want to trade Favre within the NFC, which is why their asking price from Tampa Bay was more than what they got from New York. But if it would have taken just a slightly better draft pick than the Jets reportedly traded plus a veteran player to bring the future Hall of Fame quarterback to Tampa Bay, the Bucs' organization dropped the ball.
Bucs coach Jon Gruden has a prior relationship with Favre from when he was on the Packers' coaching staff from 1992-94, and Gruden has a history of getting the most out of experienced quarterbacks. He did wonders for Rich Gannon in Oakland and Brad Johnson in Tampa Bay when the Bucs won the Super Bowl, and even for Jeff Garcia last season. This move would have been good for the defending NFC South champion Bucs as well as for Favre, who would have joined a team in a winnable division loaded with veteran players, making for an easier transition.
Even though Gruden's playbook is one of the most sophisticated, Favre wouldn't have struggled transitioning to a different West Coast offensive system. Gruden would have sat down with him and quarterbacks coach Greg Olson to figure out what Favre is most comfortable with and would have built on that as the regular season neared. Gruden's playbook has a lot of similarities to what Favre is used to because it is all derived from Mike Holmgren's system. The hardest part for Favre would have been getting familiar with the Buccaneers' terminology, but he would have done all he could to make a smooth transition. He would have spent extra time in the meeting room working with Gruden, Olson and the other quarterbacks trying to catch up.
Favre would have made running backs Earnest Graham, Warrick Dunn and Carnell Williams better. The Buccaneers love to pound the rock, and opposing defenses wouldn't have been able to play eight men in the box like they do with Jeff Garcia under center, because Favre would have picked them apart. Favre would have done things Garcia can't do because Favre has a lot more arm strength and can attack all levels in the passing game.
The offensive linemen would have been much-improved because they would be able to protect him much easier than Garcia, since Garcia tends to move around in the pocket a lot, which makes it difficult for the linemen to have a common ground and know their depth within the pocket. Even though Favre is somewhat of a gunslinger, he is still primarily a pocket passer. The addition of C Jeff Faine in free agency also would have helped Favre's transition because of Faine's ability to handle the protections while identifying fronts and blitzes, which is less that Favre would have had to worry about. He would have had to focus only on his position and worry only about the back end in regards to zone concepts and coverage designs.
Favre was able to do wonders in Green Bay with a young receiving corps, and there are many similarities between the Packers and Bucs. Both have one veteran receiver -- Donald Driver in Green Bay and Joey Galloway in Tampa -- and both have a stable of young talent. Favre would have had no problem connecting with Galloway because he is a true No. 1, even though he isn't getting any younger. But Favre could have done wonders for Michael Clayton, who should be in the No. 2 role since Ike Hilliard fits best as a No. 3. Adding a premier passer would have helped Clayton's chances of getting back to producing like he did during his rookie season (1,193 yards and seven touchdowns). TE Alex Smith's production would have also increased because Favre loves to incorporate his tight ends, especially near the goal line.
Last season the Bucs were No. 17 in the NFL in third-down percentage, while Green Bay was No. 8. If the Bucs had Favre under center, the Bucs' defense would have been able to rest a little longer. Plus, the improved running game wouldn't hurt, either.
If the Bucs had Favre, maybe they wouldn't have been on a level with Dallas just yet, but they would have definitely gained ground in the NFC.
The marriage between Favre and Gruden definitely would have had a happy ending. The last time they were paired together (1994) Favre threw for 3,882 yards, 33 touchdowns, 14 interceptions and a 90.7 quarterback rating in Green Bay (while Gruden was the wide receivers coach). They'd be in the playoffs, possibly have a home game and then from there, with Favre, anything is possible. It wasn't out of the realm of possibility that Favre could have led the Bucs to a conference title game or even a Super Bowl -- which, by the way, is in Tampa this year.
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At the receiving end of the deal, that's a hard call. Pennington might not generate the interest Favre did among teams that view him as a starter. And teams that viewed him as a backup could afford to out wait the Jets.
The Jets would have need to perform cap surgery to keep both until a trade could be arranged.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Things I noted from the article....
Arm "fatigued"
"I feel 38 today."
“I wondered this morning when I got up, ‘What in the heck am I doing?.....I hate to study....I hate to practice." - It's only been a week!
Brett ran a second penalty lap per team rules. - I really wonder how many more times he'll do this to be "one of the guys" without griping. I don't think he can keep being required to do it without feeling disrespected.
Farve has a habit of starting a sentence, "To be honest with you,...." and then speaks his mind, often just off the cuff. For his sake I hope he plays well because in the media jungle of New York it's not hard to imagine the writers dissecting every word he says and spinning it negatively if and when he plays poorly.
Farve owned GB in a PR sense after earning the respect of the football world over so many years. But the media of the Big Apple will chew him up and spit him out if he struggles through the first few games.
Being publicly trashed by your hometown media during the football season is pressure that Farve has never faced. I hope he doesn't experience that this season either because I have my doubts how well he and his quality family would positively respond to it.
Just my personal opinion, but I just don't think any family from Hattiesburg, Mississippi can easily adjust to the center stage glare of New York, much less when its head is a HOF quarterback expected to revive a disappointing professional football franchise.
Culturally, round peg in a square hole, IMHO, facing enormous expectations to succeed. I can't begin to imagine the pressure to perform well.
Are you hearing voices in your head, these "haters" you refer to? Because I don't see any of the remarks you describe in the forum. Did you read/hear any of these voices today?
I'm also confused how having this thread will block out the voices, but I'm glad its working for you.
Thanks Mobb. Good luck Brett.
Harlan, its a Favre thread, others have asked for it and its not a bad idea.Are you hearing voices in your head, these "haters" you refer to? Because I don't see any of the remarks you describe in the forum. Did you read/hear any of these voices today?
I'm also confused how having this thread will block out the voices, but I'm glad its working for you.
I know nobody has to but, to keep things kosher, if you don't care to hear about Favre or just always have to cut him down, don't post in this one thread.
....btw, I am very much crazy, I got over the denial stage years ago.
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you are the problem, gex. your continued talk of "haters" is just carrying on an argument that ended long ago. Nobody is cutting down Favre, unless you are referring to the much-deserved criticism he got in the month before left Green Bay.
move on, its over.
Ok
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I just finished about 1/2 hour at a Jett's website, talk about hard to find your way around - maybe I picked the wrong one (if they have more than one) but it seemed like a hodge-podge of info and all I wanted was the stupid 2008 schedule, that's what I put in their search box anyway.GOOOOOOOOO to a Jets forum. I don't want to read about Favre 38 yr old tired arm! Sounds like your more of a fan of Brett Favre than the Packers.
Is it really a halo or
just a swelled head ?
James Jett has his own site? Who knew.I just finished about 1/2 hour at a Jett's website, talk about hard to find your way around - maybe I picked the wrong one (if they have more than one) but it seemed like a hodge-podge of info and all I wanted was the stupid 2008 schedule, that's what I put in their search box anyway.GOOOOOOOOO to a Jets forum. I don't want to read about Favre 38 yr old tired arm! Sounds like your more of a fan of Brett Favre than the Packers.
Hard to believe the difference one season makes. The writer above discusses how a trade of Favre to the Bucs would have greatly improved the passing game, running game, and defense, all with a single transaction.
Quite a contrast from the last 3-4 offseasons, when the majority media opinion was that Favre should just hang up the cleats already, that his continued play was only hurting his team and himself, and that he had little left in the tank. Talk about a 180. Now the media consensus seems to be that Brett could have made almost any team an instant title contender.
In my eyes Favre was basically the same player over the last 5 years or so in GB. His success last year over previous years was mostly a factor of improved protection, WR play, and limiting costly mistakes. His ability to make throws and lead an offense remained unchanged over that time period.
The media opinion of Favre's outlook as an impact player this offseason compared to last offseason is way off the mark. He has been undervalued and underappreciated the last few seasons, and this year it appears that opinion about him has swayed too far in the opposite direction.
"My problems with him are his vision and tendency to dance instead of pounding a hole." - Harvey Wallbangers
Get the hell out of here, hater.
This thread is a safe, sacred space created for Favrerians to worship free from persecution.
Everytime you pickup a 19 y/o at the gay 90's you make baby Jesus cry.Get the hell out of here, hater.
This thread is a safe, sacred space created for Favrerians to worship free from persecution.
I'll chime in with a 'me too'. I'm a Packers fan first, but I certainly want to know how Brett is doing.
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Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...
So any time we care to post about a former Packer we need to start an offical thread and keep all comment and content locked in the sole thread pertaining to said player?
No but we don't need a third different thread stating the same Favre quotes just because someone didn't realize it's already been covered twice before.
Once is adequate.
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