I think they should give #4 to a punter named something like "John Asshole" then retire John's number and hang that in the bowl.
I think they should give #4 to a punter named something like "John Asshole" then retire John's number and hang that in the bowl.
70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.
Originally Posted by 3irty1
How about giving it to that new wide receiver they just signed - Richard Pic?
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
How about telling him we'll retire it in September, then changing our minds.
Then telling him we'll retire it in December 2014 and changing our minds.
Then we retire it at his funeral.
70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.
WOW!
That's really mean. What kinds pills brings that stuff out in you?
I suggest 'cheerios' first thing at breakfast. It's get you whistling/cheerful all day long.
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Woodbuck,
I am/was a big Brett Favre fan, but the guy was mostly (if not totally) at fault for how that went down. If you don't see that then you simply aren't being objective. Favre has another side to him then that includes selfishness, anger, stubbornness, and entitlement that we couldn't (or at least I couldn't) see through all the laughter, fist pumps, and touchdown celebrations throughout the years.
Favre has a great personality and he makes it easy for you to like him. The way he used to play the game made football extremely fun to watch, but unforgettably that will not be my only memories I will have of him. I will also remember him going on national TV to throw his life long team under the bus, sending pictures of himself to a cheerleader, and retiring from the Jets clearly to escape his contract with them to play for the Vikings.
If Brett was such a wholesome good guy like we all thought he was then what happened to honoring your contract? Didn't he call Javon Walker out for not honoring his contract? I find it funny that he retires from the jets, who then promptly release him, just so he can sign with the Vikings. What happened to his principles that he supposedly once felt so strongly about? Or are we supposed to believe that retiring from the Jets after the season was b/c "he couldn't commit to the team at that present time." Take off the Brett Favre sun glasses bro and enjoy the good times and realize the bad.
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Yep, Brett's fault that everything went sour between him and the Packers. He should have been thrilled to just play out his final couple of good years with a team that went into rebuilding mode. Honestly, why would Favre, the first NFL player to win three consecutive AP MVP awards, get upset if his team decides to rebuild instead of trying to field the best team possibe for a push at the Super Bowl? I mean seriously, the man only allowed the Packers to restructure his contract a couple of times to free up money for free agent signings and such...... how dare he assume that the Packers front office would ever give a crap about what he thought.
If only Brett would have happily accepted the way that Thompson wanted him to lie down for the last couple of years he had left in him. He could have sat on the bench behind his replacement.......using that competitive fire we all loved so much, to keep the bench warm for Mr. Rodgers.
Unreal, lol. I am sorry, but I have to laugh at how people complain about Favre because of how he left the Packers, or because of where he went after he left. It takes two to tango kiddies. Yes, things would have went much smoother with a lot less drama if Favre would have either retired when Thompson pushed him towards it, or just sat on the bench as a second string to a freakin rookie. But we are talking about Brett Favre. While some may want to cherish memories of "Favre throwing his team under the bus" (lmao, really?) or for sending pics of his wiener to a cheerleader (like you have never sent a pic of your wiener to a cheerleader...), I choose to remember Favre for the amazing things he did while he was a Packer, such as playing the best game of his life the day after his father died. Or, hey.....do you remember watching him play in two Super Bowls? That was pretty freakin kewl!
I seriously think some of you are either to young to know what you are talking about, or you have a huge problem with empathy. If you were to put yourselves in Favre's shoes at the time that he left GB, if you were honest with yourselves, you would have likely have done a lot of the same things he did. Why stay with a team that is going to be rebuilding up until you retire? Especially, if you still feel that you have a few good years left in you? As for Favre going to the Jets, your damn right i would have made a back door deal with the Jets if I was in Favre's shoes. Why wouldnt Favre have wanted to play for the Vikings? I know damned well why Thompson didnt want Favre playing for the Vikings, lmao!!!! I have to wonder what might have been if Thompson had had the balls to simply release Favre, and put his money where his mouth was. Im guessing that if Favre hadnt had to waste a season playin for the Jets, he would have had one more ring....with the Vikings.
In the end, Favre was the same man that we all knew and loved, just in a different uniform. You cant blame him for wanting to continue to play, or for wanting to continue to win. The only thing you can bash him for, is for not allowing Thompson to push him into retirement, or for not wanting to sit on the bench for his last remaining couple of years. That is what it all really boils down to.
Oh, and as for Rodgers saying that it is past time for Favre to come back to the Packers so that they can retire his Jersey.......LMFAO. Get out of town with that garbage. Perhaps after M3 and Thompson are gone, lol.....but otherwise, I would just as soon see Favre retire as a Viking, its no less than some Packer "fans" deserve.
In case you've forgotten, one of Brent's "retirements" occurred after a 13-3 season. How was that rebuilding mode?
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
yeah, sorry......im not going to do the research for you, if you cannot remember that far back, were not a fan at that time, or you were/are still in diapers......thats your problem.
Actually, I think you are wrong. The Packers had one losing season when Favre was QB. We had a rough patch in 2005 & 2006 when we turned over a roster because of the Sherman drafts. But 2 years later we were in the NFC Championship game.
1992: 9-7
1993: 9-7
1994: 9-7
1995: 11-5
1996: 13-3 Super Bowl!!!
1997: 13-3 Super Bowl Loss!!!!
1998: 11-5
1999: 8-8
2000: 9-7
2001: 12-4
2002: 12-4
2003: 10-6
2004: 10-6
2005: 4-12
2006: 8-8
2007: 13-3
But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.
-Tim Harmston
Maybe you missed the sarcasm. What you wrote in your own sarcastic post was "He should have been thrilled to just play out his final couple of good years with a team that went into rebuilding mode. Honestly, why would Favre, the first NFL player to win three consecutive AP MVP awards, get upset if his team decides to rebuild instead of trying to field the best team possibe for a push at the Super Bowl?"
My point is that you're wrong. One of Favre's many retirements - his first officially announced retirement - came after the 2007 season, when the team went 13-3 in the regular season and then beat Seattle in the playoffs before losing to the Giants.
That's not a team in a rebuilding mode. That's Favre walking away from a 13-3 team.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
You dropped pretty quick into Diaper-accusation Mode dincha'?
Methinks you got nothin'.
This thread brings you out? Haha! Guess it is gonna make it to 10k!
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The little problem with your logic above is that Favre DID retire. That left the team in kind of a stupid position, no? Also, as I recall, no one asked Favre to warm the bench, just to compete for the starting position. Speculation is that he may well have lost that competition and evidence in hindsight supports that position. Everyone knew he could still play, though not to the level he could when he was younger, and not in the cold in Lambeau with the season on the line it seems. So if they keep him, they lose Rodgers and we're sitting here now excoriating TT for letting the future walk out the door for an old QB who freezes when the mercury falls or let the dude go off to a dome where the weather isn't a factor. I'm pretty sure that they did the right thing, because Favre's final year was exactly as I'd have predicted. Beats us twice and then loses when it's all on the line. And you're right Favre is the same guy, but not the one you think. He's the guy who cheated on his wife repeatedly and got himself hooked on painkillers at the height of his success. The same guy who created a "will he or won't he" drama for how many years? By the time he actually retired (the first time, anyway) I was almost rooting for it because I was sick of the annual circus. The guy couldn't take a dump without the media focusing on him and he brought a whole lot of that on himself. So if he wants to retire a Viking, that's fine by me. They can retire his "Thanks Ted" jersey.
"Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings
You said it, sister!
from http://www.officialbrettfavre.com/bio/ ..........
Retirement and return (2008)
On March 4, 2008, Favre formally announced his retirement. On July 2, 2008, it was reported that Favre was in contact with the Packers about a possible return to the team. On July 11, 2008, Favre sent a letter to the Packers asking for his unconditional release to allow him to play for another NFL team. Packers general manager Ted Thompson announced he would not grant Favre an unconditional release and reaffirmed the organization's commitment to Aaron Rodgers as its new quarterback. Complicating matters was Favre's unique contract giving him the leverage to void any potential trade by not reporting to the camp of the team he might be traded to if the Packers elect to go that route.
Favre spoke publicly for the first time about his potential comeback in a July 14, 2008, interview with Greta Van Susteren on the Fox News Channel's On the Record with Greta Van Susteren. In the interview, Favre said he was "guilty of retiring early," that he was "never fully committed" to retirement, and that he was pressured by the Packers to make a decision before the NFL Draft and the start of the free agent signing period. Favre disputed the notion that he doesn't want to play for Green Bay and said that while he understands the organization has decided to move on, they should now allow him to do the same. He made clear that he would not return to the Packers as a backup and reiterated his desire to be released rather than traded, which would allow him the freedom to play for a competitive team. Favre also accused the Packers of being dishonest, wishing the team would have been straightforward with him and the public.
In the second part of the interview, which aired on July 15, Favre expressed his frustration with Packer management, spoke of his sympathy for successor Aaron Rodgers' predicament, and affirmed he is 100 percent committed to playing football in 2008.
Favre formally filed for reinstatement with the NFL on July 29, 2008, and his petition was granted by Commissioner Goodell, effective August 4, 2008. Favre then flew to Green Bay to report to Packers training camp. After a lengthy meeting with head coach Mike McCarthy and general manager Ted Thompson, however, both sides agreed it was time for Favre and the organization to part ways
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We can all remember things differently, or revise history to suit our own arguments. The Packers did rebuild when Thompson came to town. Saying that they didnt just because the Packers went 13-3 during Favre's final year with the team is a lame argument. From what i recall of that year, Favre had a crap O-line to play behind with such greats as "The Human Turnstyle" playing in front of him. I honestly dont think any other QB could have produced a winning record with that team.
again, put yourselves in his shoes, its not like this all just happened out of the blue.
So, lets say that YOU are a professional QB in the NFL. The team YOU play for, hadnt even made it into a playoff game in over 10 years prior to YOUR arrival.
YOU have played with that same team for 14 years, without missing one single start. YOU have played in two Super Bowls, YOU have won 3 consecutive MVP awards, YOU have set the NFL record for 13 consecutive winning seasons..........along with a number of other records, to many to mention. People refer to YOU as a Gunslinger, and always talk about how YOU play the QB position with so much heart and passion.
You have been through a lot with this team, but now, there is a new GM, and a new Head Coach. The GM has made it very clear to YOU, that he is going to rebuild, hoping that YOU will either retire, or stick around and do YOUR part to help sell tickets while the team works its way through the rebuilding process. Most if not all of the veteran players that YOU had played with have been cut or let go via free agency. YOU are nearly twice as old as most of the other players on the team and YOU want to chase one more Super Bowl before YOU retire. YOUR replacement has been drafted and is ready to play. YOU are sick of looking over YOUR shoulder, and the team decides it wants YOU in their past, not in their future (except maybe to help peddle merchandise, lol) The GM has told YOU that he will not release YOU outright, even though he thinks that the team has a better chance of winning with his #1 draft pick than with YOU at the QB position........and the new Head Coach agrees with the GM (can you say "yes man"?)
In the previous couple of years, YOU have had to deal with YOUR Fathers death, YOUR wifes cancer scare, the accidental death of YOUR brother-in-law, and the destruction of the family home by way of Hurricane Katrina......and now YOU have to deal with this.
So, How would YOU have dealt with the situation, in a way that would be so much better than how Favre handled it? Please, step down from YOUR high-horse for a moment and enlighten us all as to what YOU would have done differently.
Personally, I would probably have sent a picture of MY weiner to a cheerleader and just moved on.
PackerBlues:
The above, is a slant taken with a somewhat stronger emotion, than what I use to try to reason against the anti-Brett Favre 'mob'... here. Maybe, I should demonstrate the same degree of sarcasm and anger that you feel. Maybe, your approach is clearly best PackerBlues. At least in you using that approach:
I applaud you PackerBlues.
As I read ahead in this thread. I'm not even any longer shocked that posters here could be so blind to 'the reality position', that's 'Brett Favre's take' on that sick mess. Posters here cannot, as you point out, even drum up 'the empathy', to simply take the time to read and discover Brett Favre's view on it all.
Brett Favre's best efforts to give his TRUTH. Lies within their ignorance or decisions to ignore.
All that connected to 'the mess', we now refer to as 'the Green Bay Packers - Brett Favre divorce.
No ...posters here stand on a position that total blame lies with Brett Favre.
We certainly believe such a position is grossly in error. The 'nay sayers' to our position takes mild to more severe derision against us.
We're the crazy one's. What 'a crock'. I promise you this man. We'll certainly enjoy seeing Favre get all that he so richly deserves for his contributions as a Green bay Packer. Go to the bank with that Packer fan.
I'm sure that there are posters here at Packerrats that do see it our way. They see the distain or derisions aimed at us. I appreciate the fact that some of these posters are intimidated by the 'anti-Favre mentality' that a powerful group of posters here hang to. The members of Packerrats that use their prejudicial judgment based personalities. To push forth their silly too clearly false agendas; and anything 'truly good and Brett Favre'.
They mock themselves in thus doing. See to have empathy one also must have a good degree of rightful pride.
To those of you who see the TRUTH. You cannot beat them. At least I say or advise:
Be damned if you join them. Those Packer fans that ignore anything in terms of a Brett Favre explanation.
The way that Brett Favre actually felt. What his personal experience was. As 'he' actually felt treated by the Green Bay Packers (then TT and MM). As his time as an active Green Bay Packer came to a conclusion. That conclusion arriving with pressure from his side and the NFL HO; to being traded to the New York Jets.
The alternative >>> retire or accept 'a 'Jack-Shit' position, in a back-up role to Aaron Rodgers. Good grief and I write for Brett Favre...Give me a fricken' break'. I've never seen anymore horseshit dispensed in all my time as a sports fan.
Ohh wait I forgot. All that was to protect Brett Favre's Legacy as a Green Bay Packer.
Yup Brett.... why didn't you simply ride out the rest of your Packer contract (3 years) on the bench!? That would have secured your legacy above all else !?
As the final day went down went down, and as a Green Bay Packer fan that see's it differently. I'm certainly grateful for this olive branch. That TT did trade Brett Favre; even if he couldn't handle that chore for him, with proper respect and dignity. Ted Thompson's disrespect in terms of what Brett Favre deserved in his long service as a Green Bay Packer Icon.
As I posted before: I feel I understand Ted Thompson's limitations as a man.
Ted Thompson certainly outdid himself on that one. He somehow managed to pay Brett Favre the ultimate disrespect as his time as a Green bay Packer came to a close. Ted Thompson will always have to live with that. If 'in fact', as Brett Favre claims. The trade to the New York Jets went down in terms of his eventual knowledge of that fact.
Since when has an NFL player with Brett Favre's outstanding status and resume as a Pro player. A man that was runner-up NFL MVP in the year previously. A man that was then a record holding 3X NFL MVP. A man that gave and gave, time and time again. A player that wore his heart on his sleeve accepting personally so much Packer failure. After all that he had given to the organization, team, teammates and fans he loved; been treated with such utter and disgusting disrespect?
So now we see the Green Bay Packers best attempts coming forward of what is clearly 'damage control'. We see Brett Favre being acknowledged, with decency that's overdue; given TT's and MM's final disrespects.
As current Packer President and CEO Mark Murphy has said, in his ultimate attempt at damage control:
We're discussing Brett Favre who is 'arguably' the Greatest Green Bay Packer of ALL TIME. I stress the word 'arguably' in the last sentence and make note of this:
I will not argue that fact. Brett Favre was certainly 'a GREAT' Green Bay Packer.
PackerBlues on another note and your post:
I want Brett Favre to get the reward from the Green Bay Packers that he so richly and certainly deserves. At the same time not see the Green Bay Packer Organization suffer anymore embarrassment and anything Brett Favre:
To have his NO. 4 retired. To be inducted in the Green Bay Packer HOF while TT and MM takes postures feigning shame for how they clearly mishandled his final months as a Green Bay Packer. As by and large the majority of Packer fans get to enjoy it all. Havig the decent sense to get it right and acknowledge Bret Favre with thunderous cheers.
What a great day that will be for Brett Favre and Packer fans like you and I.
For those of you here that have the Favre hate on because he led the Minnesota Vikings over the Green Bay Packers in the 2009 season. Too bad...so sad. Favre did what he always tried his best to do:
WIN !
GO PACK GO !
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I appreciate your position but sorry Packer fan. I'm not joining you or anyone else on this board that stands down on Brett Favre as the football player he was. I don't believe I'll live to ever see a more exciting man stand behind center on any football field.
Thus as a Green Bay Packer and NFL fan for over five decades and as that football player I enjoyed in Brett Favre. I hold Brett Favre in 'the highest esteem'.
Did the human side of him paint him as a man that disappointed me? of course he wasn't perfect but who in a lifetime is? It's that fact that allowed me to rationalize or sift out the crap and his life (ways). When you reach my age you might better understand me and this position. I sincerely hope that life leads you in that direction.
The scandalous parts of him that surfaced made me cringe. I had to overcome a lot there to arrive where I am and Brett Favre today. Arriving there I'm happy to believe that my position is best for me. Any Packer fan that chooses to go on criticizing Brett Favre for the emotional or human weakness that they perceive in him, is simply to me a fair and different take from the one I've chosen and will remain with.
GO PACK GO !
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** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau
I'm not standing down Brett Favre as the FOOTBALL PLAYER he was. And yes he was the most exciting player I have watched also. But did you totally miss the point? I'm not arguing that he was a great player, but how are you connecting his play on the field with his actions off the field as a man?
I'm not even criticizing him for emotional or human weakness, but that doesn't change the fact that he acted like a child in 08.
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It's OK.
As a once fan of his. I'm sorry that you suffered.
Again. I suffered too for awhile but I got over myself.
I've never allowed anyone to cause me to suffer for too long without some personal course of change to alter the impact of that suffering. I'm as a football fan not responsible for the actions or behaviours of any players I choose to admire. Their actions good or bad not being any reflection of who I am.
In terms related to Brett Favre. I hold the bad in my left hand and hope that my right arm is strong enough to support all the good play and entertainment that man gave to me, and weighs in my right hand.
GO PACK GO !
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