Are you willing to ignore what is in your left hand and remember only what you hold in your right hand? Is it not the combination of both that make the man? Isn't his legacy defined by both the good and the bad? Aren't we all defined by what we do to fill both your left hand and your right hand?Originally Posted by woodbuck27
Good lord. Woodbuck here believes BF was forced to retire.Nonsense! If MM and TT thought he couldn't play anymore they wouldn't have gave a damn if he played for a divisional rival. Had Favre not retired after the 2007 season I truly believe he would have been our starter. But once he did retire and held that teary press conference MM went full speed ahead with Rodgers and never looked back. Back then the Jets were not the mess they are today. Brett showed he could still play and performed well until he got hurt. Heck, they were headed for the playoffs before he injured his shoulder. He then pretended to retire again. The reason I say 'pretend' is he asked NY to give him his release. Retired players do not make this kind of a request. It was plain he wanted out of that contract so he could go to the place he wanted to go all along - MN - so he could stick it to the franchise that made him a multimillionaire. He got his wish and joined the Vikes but tossed yet another INT and screwed the queens out of a SB berth and Rodgers played lights out a year later and won it all. I think we got the better end of this deal. BTW, I believe MM was the driving force behind wanting Favre to stay retired more than TT ever was.
What are you posting?Good lord. Woodbuck here believes BF was forced to retire.
I didn't 'think happen' what didn't happen Pugger. Brett Favre didn't retire in 2008.
Brett Favre played the 2008 season with the New York Jets. The 2009-10 seasons with the Minnesota Vikings.
Brett Favre retired following the 2010 season.
Did Brett Favre feel that the Green Bay Packers wanted him to retire in the 2008 Off season?
You'd have to be a Packer fan, lost on some remote island, with no outside communication since the Green Bay Packers NFC Championship loss to the New York GIANTS, to not know that was the 'exact case' Pugger. You pay better attention than to get that one confused in your long term memory Pugger.
Ahh that terrible Packer loss to the soon to become Super Bowl champion New York GIANTS. Brett Favre was so bad in that loss.
Mike McCarthy did a fine job of preparing his team for that game given the frigid Winter conditions that week. Yet... Brett Favre was 'the fall guy' and Mike McCarthy ducks another one. I can see the hand shake between TT and MM now.
After that loss to the GIANTS. Did a majority of Green Bay Packer fans; given Favre's incredible season expect what it would all come too? That 2007 ... a season where Brett Favre led his team as it's MVP to a 13-3 record, and an NFC Championship game. A season where 'only' one other NFL player was considered more valuable to his team by the AP.... would be Brett Favre's last as a Green Bay Packer?
Let's Re-cap that game:
The Green Bay Packers were defeated by the New York Giants at Lambeau Field in OT by a 23-20 score. Game time Temp. -1 °F (−20° to −40 °F (−40 °C) windchill factor) Really really cold. As a matter of fact it's being described as the 3rd coldest game in NFL history.
In that game Brett 'Bad Boy' Favre extended his NFL record to 18 straight playoff games with at least one touchdown pass. It came on a 90 yard touchdown throw to Donald Driver, the longest playoff pass in Packers team historyat that time. The 'Bad Boy' had more records in that game. His team lost that game by a FG. Brett Favre felt 'just' sick over that heartbreaking loss.
This would also be the final game in Brett Favre's legendary career as a Green Bay Packer.
Some time that summer did Brett Favre feel any pressure to retire by the Green Bay Packers?
You bet your Jammers he did. Let's not get really silly/stupid and there on that 'no question'. PLEASE.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3486775
Here's just a taste of that TRUTH Pugger and it's from Brett Favre himself:
MILWAUKEE --
Brett Favre finally is speaking for himself:
He wants to play but doesn't feel welcome in Green Bay, so he's asking to be released.
The quarterback's first substantial comments about his latest retirement decision reversal came in a Monday interview with Fox News on "On the Record with Greta Van Susteren."
"OK, you guys have a different path, fine," Favre said, recalling a June 20 conversation with Packers coach Mike McCarthy. "What does that mean for me? So that means either you give me my helmet, welcome [me] back, or release me, or attempt to trade me. We all know that's a possibility, but way-out-there possibility.
"And he says, 'Well, playing here is not an option, but we can't envision you playing with another team, you know, either.'
And I thought, so basically, I'm not playing for anyone if I choose to come back."
and later in this interview:
"Favre said he was "never fully committed" to retiring and felt pressured by the Packers to make a decision..."
This is Brett Favre and he damn near knocked himself out in that 2007 season Packer fans. He was as I posted before exhausted...nearly if not entirely burnt out. If it took retirement talk 'again' to satisfy inquisitive minds; so be it. If anyone who knew Brett Favre believed that was true after the season he had in 2007. They havn't been paying close attention to Brett Favre.
Brett Favre was definitely going to come back after an enormous 2007 season. Just not with the Green Bay Packers that had to concede to the man waiting in the wings:
Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers FUTURE not Brett Favre.
GO PACKERS !
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If Favre didn't retire in 2008 what in the hell was that press conference all about? If you don't think he retired then that PC was a fake and a lie. Don't come back with "he played again in NY and MN." Nobody knew for sure if he was gonna play again. TT and company aren't that clairvoyant. If you want to believe Favre got screwed over by the Packers then fine, go ahead and keep that fantasy. IMO it was Favre who initiated the entire mess by retiring in the first place. He didn't have to go anywhere. Had he just kept his yap shut and returned in 2008 he would have been our starter. The real question you have to ask yourself is why did he leave a team that just weeks ago was on the cusp of the Super Bowl unless he felt he couldn't keep Rodgers in his place as his backup?
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WOW! Your scaring me.
Why so gruff !?
I can't handle 'the darkness'. Scared !!!
PACKERS !
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Pugger... Maybe you didn't ever read this:Good lord. Woodbuck here believes BF was forced to retire.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3561440
Jets' Favre says Green Bay told him he couldn't be a Packer
Updated: August 30, 2008, 8:13 PM ET
Associated Press
a) " Favre couldn't say the same of his choice to walk away from the game a few weeks after losing the NFC championship game against the New York Giants.
"I knew I wanted to play," the 38-year-old quarterback said. "Everyday I would wake up and say, 'Boy, I'd like to play.' At some point in the day, I'd go, 'Ahh, I don't know.' With each day that passed, I got more and more committed to do it, and that was all I was looking for from Day 1.
"As time passed by, I said, 'You know, I've still got the fire.'" ..." FR, LINK
b) " During the weeks leading to his retirement, Favre said Packers coach Mike McCarthy told him that the team wanted to know what his plans were for this season. Favre had waffled between playing and retiring several times during the previous few offseasons.
"The day I told McCarthy I was going to retire, he said, 'Are you sure?'" Favre recalled. "I said, 'No, I'm not sure, but you want an answer and I'm giving you an answer: I'm not sure.'"
Favre told McCarthy he felt a pull to play but, after 17 seasons, wasn't sure he still had the desire to go through minicamp, OTAs, training camp and other workouts." Fr, LINK
c) "Favre said he spoke to Packers' general manager Ted Thompson only once during the process, the day after the NFL draft in April.
"I always liked Ted and I don't want to say I dislike him now," he said. "I'm disappointed."
Thompson flew to Favre's Mississippi home, and the quarterback thought the general manager was there to ask him to come back. Instead, Thompson told him that the team was going to do something special for him: dismantle his locker and send it to him.
"That was the craziest thing I ever heard of," Favre said.
"What the hell am I going to do with a locker anyway? So, I said, 'OK, Ted, that's great.'"
Thompson left shortly after the conversation, but not before Favre told him he might have reservations about retiring. "
Ohh well Brett... look at it on the bright side even as crazy as it was.
At least you were offered a locker. That's a lot more that some people ever get following a divorce.
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Do you want to take ThunderDan out to the meadow Mr Woody?
I'm revising that backhanded comment to:Do you want to take ThunderDan out to the meadow Mr Woody?
A simple 'NO'.
I hope there's a better way, Mad.
GO PACKERS !
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Let's see if I am following your line of thinking, PackerBlues:
You claim in a post that Favre should not be blamed for wanting to retire - or leave Green Bay? - because the organization pulled the rug out from under him and went into rebuilding mode instead of trying to put together one more championship run for the old man.
When a couple posters point out that your argument is factually wrong - that Favre left, retired, whatever, after a 13-3 season, which in no universe can be considered a "rebuilding" team - you respond with this: " The Packers did rebuild when Thompson came to town. Saying that they didnt just because the Packers went 13-3 during Favre's final year with the team is a lame argument."
The best I can figure is that you're saying the Packers rebuilt for two years - the 4-12 season, Thompson's first year with the lame-duck Sherman, and the 8-8 season, McCarthy's first year. That 13-3 season somehow doesn't count? - Because it was only because of Favre that the team won thirteen games? No other QB could have lead that team to even a winning record, I think you wrote.
You have a rich fantasy life.
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I enjoyed the rookie, Favre, leading the league in scoring. He was lucky to have the wily old Favre as his longsnapper, and the somewhat experienced Favre as his holder. Still, quite an accomplishment in a year in which Moss set a TD reception record (23). Of course, some credit must go to all the Favres blocking up front.
Favre couldn't have done it without Favre, Favre and the Favres.
Favre's going to get this thread to 500 Favres before Favre knows it.
This is more Favre than a barrell of Favres.
All hail the Ruler of the Meadow!
I suspect PackersBlues has a bead on how Favre felt. Not that the team was rebuilding in any form of the word recognizable to logic, but that the emphasis was not where he wished it to be.
He wanted to load up and go for broke. He was not simply interested in drafting for need, he wanted Free Agents for all the holes thought to be extant on the roster. He thought Thompson was building on a 5 year plan when he wanted a 2 year plan (maybe less).
Of all the duplicitous things Favre could be charged with doing or saying, that concern over time frame is not among them. Had he and Thompson been able to have a conversation about this, it might have ended a lot cleaner, ala Irsay and Manning.
But Andrew Brandt's one true contribution to journalism (well, Packer related anyway), that Favre and Thompson are alike in some significant ways, prevented them from having this conversation. They avoided it and instead danced around like they were on a chessboard, waiting for the other to commit so they did not have to.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Fixed your post pb.
All hail the Ruler of the Meadow!
NOw its Correct CC
As an aside to the insanity, why are we still caring about this again? The ceremony will happen eventually, who cares when. Between now and then and following that as well I will remain a Packers fan, as well as a fan of what Favre accomplished in GB and NY (screw the queens).
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