I wonder if his willingness to blandly be welcoming to the prospect of the jersey retirement helps or hurts the process.Originally Posted by Patler
One the one hand it is clear he is leaving the door open. On the other hand it looks like he is talking to someone who has already hung up the phone AND it just gives everyone a chance to rehash the distance between the two parties.
Plus, when its time to actually start to discuss the event, he has one less reason to talk to Favre directly.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Favre never sounds enthused about it. Kind of like, "Yes, eventually I will have that colonoscopy that I know I should have."
it will be a disaster, a boo-fest. everyone will leave shaking their heads. let the nfl put him in the hof and forget about it.
I think the team is worried about sending out an offer and having him reject it. Mark Murphy coming out saying that it needs to happen soon is like dipping your toes in the water before you jump in. They want to hear him say something to show he is still not bitter over what happened. Sadly, he still seems like he is acting like a child and if he is not careful he might alienate more fans (well maybe not WB lol).
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Yeah I have thought about that as well. The packers went through his will he/won’t he retire saga for so many years before and needed to know what direction they were going in the upcoming season with Rodgers on deck. Setting a date to retire his number so soon was probably the organizations way of trying to cement his decision.
Also, unfortunately the packers were kind of at his mercy and he knew that. He knew he could leverage his status and love fans had of him and I’m sure the packers knew this as well and were worried about the fall out that ensued. So the number retirement and future position with the team offer was probably a way of hoping to avoid a potential mess.
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In fairness to Favre, it may be he is reluctant to return to Green Bay because he is afraid of what the fan reaction would be. He might think more time is needed to let time heal wounds. We just don't know, but it is one possibility.
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
Maybe, but I seriously doubt it. If he were worried about the fans you would hear him says things like "I miss the fans in GB" not "yes Greg you should go play for the Vikings."
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I do not mean this post to be taken in any other way but as a concern from me for you to learn 'the TRUTH' PaCkFan_n_MD. I'm not here to argue or demonstrate any manner of animosity over this; what should now be 'a simple matter' of acceptance.
Brett Favre has been over it for a long time Packer fan. Sometimes it can be far more complicated than meets the eye. Favre has bent over backwards trying his level best to help you the Packer fan/ NFL fan see it all as it was/is.
Maybe it might take a little more effort on your part? Just a question you might ask yourself. I'm not even suggesting that you go there. Such has to be a personal decision, and one with complete 'open mindedness'.
As to getting over it and Brett Favre:
Favre was over it, and clearly stated as much, going back to the conclusion of the 2008 season. He has told us over and over again. That 'he's over it', if you read his many statements on this issue/matter. Maybe? Simply take your time or find the time to read it all Packer fan.
Your puter has the same capabilities as mine does. All that will be left is some open mindedness on your part. That's a certain challenge in terms of this Brett Favre thing and some Packer fans and I accept that as we're all somehow different.
Brett Favre and getting over it:
Favre has busted his ass trying to inform us of all of it and the fact that he is...over it. Too many Packer fans 'simply' choose to ignore or discount his TRUTH, as it doesn't fit their agendas and judgements. They have to be right and couldn't possibly be wrong.
Given all that Brett Favre has tried to do to set this right in terms of his position and the TRUTH. What has the other side said:
NOTHING.
You know why? They carry the shame of 'a wrongful pride' not Brett Favre.
This has little to nothing to do with any decision to move past Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers.
It has everything to do with how the Green Bay Packers Organization tried to force Brett Favre's hand... in terms of his will and rights to want to continue playing somewhere as an NFL QB. It has everything to do with how the Green Bay Packers attempted to coerce and control Brett Favre's life after active Green Bay Packer service. Trying too hard to keep Brett Favre retired. Trying over the top too hard to ensure that Brett Favre got the message it was time for him to retire.
What they did was 'simply out and out', just wrong. If anything like that was done to any of 'YOU'. I would hope that 'YOU' had the common-sense, the strength and courage to stand against it as Brett Favre and the NFL HO supporting his position.... did.
Do you know what's pissing off posters here now?
The TRUTH.
The TRUTH that I post. Too many here cannot ACCEPT THIS truth.
What we must try hard to do here. Is to simply agree to disagree without the public floggings that sometimes goes on at Packerrats. It's that sort of thing at that has driven so many decent members away. Not 'only' posters that have suffered the ridicule of 'a group of posters here'; but those posters that refuse to be any part of such 'mentality'. Those posters that don't have the will nor means to fight or stand up against the posters here that feel they have some special privalege.
This morning I learned that to be a 'real Packer fan'. I have to have a strong distaste for Brett Favre.
If that's the case then ...I'm NOT that sort of real Packer fan.
I'm simply a Green Bay Packer fan and have been for what?....55 years. NOT good enough for some here!
Whatever.I'm simply proud to write this:
GO PACKERS GO !
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Influence is power, and Favre thrived on it. You can see guys like woodbuck thrive on it too. He's living vicariously through Favre, pumping up Favre's influence by praising this thread.
Well, guess what, woodbuck. . . in the end, if people stick together (like Packer fans are doing here.) none of that power can take us down. This thread could be 20,000 posts long, 1000 pages long and it will certainly be testament to the influence (power) favre held/holds over Packer fans. But. . . . It cannot break us down unless we let it. We watch kids growing up without homes get married and have children in beautiful, secure homes through football. We get to know guys and share in their joy as they fulfill their dreams. Football matters to people on all kinds of levels, personal levels.
You coming here, parading Favre's power over us, it doesn't feel good, but we have the ability to feel it AND move on and enjoy our team together. And guess what, that's exactly what people are doing here, and because of it, it is you who is losing the power. It is Favre who is losing the influence/power.
He's done a lot of things that have turned a great, respected career into a tarnished legacy and in the case of his penis pictures, a laughing stock. Now he has the power to finish the job and die without ever fully sharing the experiences of his life with the people whom he experienced life with.
On a human level, this is fucking sad, woodbuck. This is guy white-knuckling life and leaving humiliation/devastation in his wake. In light of that wake, you need to wake the fuck up and get a grip, woodbuck. This is not glory. This is senseless strife. This is extending pain far longer than it needs to be extended. He needs to let go and just come back and celebrate the time he got to be with the Packers. Like all of life, there were great/horrible/good/bad and somewhat indifferent times. But the great/good are the parts we can hang onto, the horrible/bad we can learn from, then let go of. That is possible. That's what it's about.
Last edited by RashanGary; 05-25-2013 at 11:05 PM.
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Maybe PaCkFan_n_MD is right, we shouldn't retire his number................or anyone else's in the future. I thought I heard/read somewhere that the league frowns on that now. Enshrining him in the Packer HOF should suffice and we wouldn't find the need to rehash this again for the umpteenth time.
Sorry but 'again', we're talking Brett Favre here:
Brett Favre's NO. 4 will 'in fact' be retired as his service, dedication and outstanding play as a 'GREAT' Green Bay Packer 'only' deserves 'special 'recognition.
SPECIAL recognition set apart from most other Packers; by 'the fact of his number being retired'.
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I've never been a big fan of the whole number retirement thing. To me, if done at all, it should be an extremely rare occurrence, reserved for individuals who show a commitment and dedication to the team that goes far beyond their athletic performance. It should be awarded to those who truly became Packers for life, and aided the organization beyond their performances on the field. I recognize that in today's "it's all about business" environment for pro sports it will be hard to develop that relationship, but so be it, in my opinion.
I went on record here as disagreeing with the retirement of #92.
Considering his venomous attack on the organization, his attempts to undermine the organization, his continued cold shoulder toward the organization and the exposure of the person he was while a player, I am no more interested in the retirement of #4 than I was #92.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ey...-for-the-bears
Mike Ditka's retired jersey will be the last for the Bears
By Josh Katzowitz | NFL Writer ... May 26, 2013 11:49 am ET
" When the Bears last week announced they will retire the No. 89 jersey of Mike Ditka, it was a long time coming for the iconic coach and former tight end who dominated his position when he was in Chicago from 1961-66.
And for those great Bears players whose numbers haven't yet been retired, the wait for them to be honored in this fashion will be even longer. That's because the team has said it will not retire any other numbers.
Ditka is the 14th former Bears player to have his number retired. And unless the team is going to begin issuing triple-digit numbers, Chicago -- which has retired more than any other team in the league -- risks running out of numbers if it keeps plastering old-time jerseys on the wall and taking them out of stock.
But Ditka certainly is worthy to be honored in this way, and now he joins players like Walter Payton, Dick Butkus and Gale Sayers to have his number taken out of circulation.
"When you think of all the great Bears players who have had their jerseys retired, I can't say that there's any greater honor," Ditka said. ..." Fr. LINK
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If the league frowns on retiring numbers and every time we discuss Favre a civil war breaks out I think it would be wise to shelve this entire number retirement issue and move on. I suspect nobody will ever wear #4 again if we don't officially retire it anyway.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/93...-4-brett-favre
** "Aaron Rodgers said Wednesday that it's time for the "healing process to begin" between the Green Bay Packers and Brett Favre, adding that he hopes the quarterback's No. 4 can be retired by the team before he is inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame." Fr. LINK
"I was totally OK with being out front of that, and I'm very secure of the things I've been able to accomplish with the team and individually here in Green Bay, and excited about the chance to see him again and get his number retired here before he goes into Canton," Aaron Rodgers
Packers president and CEO Mark Murphy said earlier this month during the team's Tailgate Tour that he wanted Favre "back involved in the organization soon" and expressed his desire to retire Favre's number at "*** the right time for him and us." ..." FR. LINK
*** the right time for him (Brett Favre) and us (the Green Bay Packers).
If I'm having a party I may invite you to my party. I shouldn't necessarily EXPECT you to show up.
The party we're disgissing here is huge. The Green Bay Packers realize the importance of retiring Brett Favre's number; as well as inductioning this Green Bay Packer LEGEND into the Green Bay Packers HOF.
Posters here can speculate any negative and that will NOT wash with me. It's all 'moot' noise to me.
Better to simply get used to this fact Packerrats (like Favre on your own time or not) and whatever it's not changing the water on the beans:
When Brett Favre decides that such a ceremony at Lambeau field is appropriate and in consideration of all matters:
a) Brett Favre's number will be retired.
b) Brett Favre will be inducted into the Packer Hall of Fame.
I make this prediction when that huge day for the Green Bay Packers arrives:
Brett Favre will also as a part of his acceptance of this honor. Receive a resounding applause of approval for his outstanding contributions as a Green Bay Packer player of extreme positive distinction. I'll be such a proud Packer fan on Brett Favre's 'SPECIAL DAY again at Lambeau Field'. Just another of so many SPECIAL Day's that Green Bay Packer experienced at Lambeau Field.
That day will be amoment, in my five decades plus as a proud GREEN BAY PACKER fan.
I sure look forward to that.
GO PACKERS !
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I know it probably doesn't seem that way, but woody, I'll bet you anything if the day comes, we'll be happy for him WITH you. There are very smart PR people who know the challenges of the whole situation, and they will handle it well. Favre will handle it well. Time, even though it doesn't seem like it to me now, will probably heal the wounds.
Him connecting back with Green Bay would be huge for everyone. I don't think it would bother me so much if it wasn't a big deal to me.
I'm as passionate of a fan of the Packers as there is, I think. My dad was a really hurtful guy. Lifetime movies have been made with softer hearted villains than my dad. One of the things my dad did with me was watch/play football. He left when I was 8 years old. Anyway, I've put more into football than is healthy, I'm sure. I get emotional about football, and the Packers. I'm definitely on the high-side of how much these things affect fans, because in ways, where a dad should have been, was football for me. And for me, it was the Packers (Sharpe, Majkowski, Bennett, Ed West, Paup, etc. . .) I think I'll stay loyal to the Packers even when they're wrong more than most, just as some were loyal to Brett even when he was wrong more than most. That's because it affects me more.
So yeah, I might over-react from time to time. I know it. But at the end of the day, I do think my passion is shared with a lot of people and founded too. I'd like to see a day when Green Bay is back to how it used to be. This feud still creates tension in Green Bay. I'll be happy when that day ends and I truly hope the best for Favre even if I get really, really pissed off at him from time to time.
Last edited by RashanGary; 05-26-2013 at 02:16 PM.
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Nah. It will be easier than everyone imagines to let bygones be bygones. In one of his statements, woodbuck made an oblique mention to the number of Hall of Famers who ended their career elsewhere, which is entirely true. Favre is not in an entirely unique position.
Favre has some explaining to do about a few negative comments (the Millen deal is the toughest nut to crack) but many of the others can be brushed aside easily. An athlete wanting desperately to prove himself against his old team (move to Vikings) is not hard to understand. Jordan hated his GM in Chicago, went on to play and own in the NBA elsewhere, and still has a relationship with the Bulls. Disliking Thompson, or being mad at him is not a disqualification.
No one is Green Bay is going to get more up in arms over texting Sterger. Their hands are all dirty since they have for years refused to put rumor to ink (or bits) about the 5,000 other ladies he was seen with in WI bars during his 16 years.
Tampering could be dicey but legal tampering happens all the time and he can just spend that time making fun of Childress and recalling his friendship with Bevell.
Multiple dalliances with retirement has been done to death and is not going to generate headlines or boos unless he says something noteworthy.
Wishing the Bears to beat the Packers and knock them out of the playoffs can be explained as still being mad OR just kind words to Urlacher.
Most Packer fans I know (outside of here) make fun of him but in the same breath say they could never really hold anything against him as he was greatly responsible for the Packers' resurgence.
The biggest hurdle to Favre's re-acceptance among fans might be Favre. Put aside proud and insistent and even enmity toward Thompson/McCarthy, Favre now knows he was treated very kindly in Green Bay by locals and the press (outside of his last summer). He also knows that halo has been knocked off for many. And he may be hesitant to jump back into public life here not knowing what his footing will be like. Not only might fans seem unpredictable for him, he also knows he spent the last decade ignoring the local beat guys.
He does have some fences to mend. But its not anything insurmountable.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
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