Who is this Brent Faver person?
Who is this Brent Faver person?
Packers Greatest QBs
1 Brett Favre
2 Arnie Herber
3 Aaron Rodgers
4 Bart Starr
5 Tobin Rote
6 Lynn Dickey
7 Don Majkowski
8 T.J. Rubley
Putting Arnie Herber up there and not mentioning Cecil Isbell is a damn shame. Isbell was a pure passer who could run like the wind. And tough? The guy played with a chain running from his arm to his belt to keep his shoulder from popping out of place. And he played both ways with it. He got tackled every play but set passing records that were only broken by guys playing in the modern era.Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby
I'll post a writeup in the Legends thread for all you whipper snappers with short memories.
One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers
This is a terrible ranking
70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.
I don't know, he played with such talent in an era when teams could amass a dominant roster. What is your list?
I put Favre at top of list because of his combo of physical talent and accomplishments.
Sounds like Herber is only guy who was clearly dominant at QB position in his era, so he had to be up there.
Rodgers ahead of Starr is speculation.
Comparing old guys to modern guys is good conversation, but there's really no meaningful metric to do it. The game and the players have changed too much. Was Jerry Rice better than Don Hutson? Dan Marino better than Cecil Isbell? It's like comparing a modern day Ferrari to a Duesenberg.
In their day Herber and Isbell were elite talents. Lambeau called Herber the best long passer ever and he called Isbell the best passer of the two. Go figure. Isbell was an outstanding runner; Herber was a dud. Herber was the better punter. A good part of their fame was the fact that they were pioneers of an evolving game. Hutson too.
Of the modern guys on your list, I'd rank them:
1 Bart Starr
2 Aaron Rodgers
3 Brett Favre
4 Lynn Dickey
5 Tobin Rote
5 Don Majkowski
I put Starr on top simply because he was far and away the best field general in football in an era when the QB called his own plays. Sure, he was surrounded by talent, but so was Favre and Dickey (at least on offense). Plus, Starr took care of the ball like Rodgers does, which I highly value. Starr was irritating to watch they way he took sacks, but he also stood in there and took the hits. Very brave man.
Rodgers? What can I say that we don't all know. He is like Bart Starr on steroids.
Favre? I've often said he's the most exciting player I've ever seen, but not the best QB. I've seen him throw too many times into triple coverage when the game was on the line. When he was on, he was exciting.
Dickey was a great passer, as you say. But he had problems turning the ball over as well.
Tobin Rote and Don Majkowski were similar types. They were good runners, good passers and gave hope to the Packer faithful in lean times.
As far as Starr's standing among all QB's in his era, I'd take him over Unitas. Johnny was a better passer by far, but Starr was cool and consistent in the clutch, which was his hallmark.
One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers
Is John Hadl still around? No one will notice Brett if he shows up.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
I can't count guys like John Hadl and Jim McMahon as Packers.
I wonder how far behind the Herschel Walker trade the Hadl heist ranks in NFL blunders.
Seriously, I think Bart Starr, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers and Lynn Dickey should be honored together. I know that Dickey is the Ringo of this Beatles reunion, but he was truly the shining star for the franchise for an era.
Dickey was the toughest QB I've ever seen, and a hell of a pure passer.
Vince already posted on Isbell in the Legends thread here: http://packerrats.com/showthread.php...l=1#post533076
Here's a video of both Isbell and Herber in action:
[CHECK OUT THE AFTER-TOUCHDOWN HANDSHAKE IN THE ENDZONE. I've seen Packers' WR's shake hands like that in games this year. Could the handshake be our guys' nod to old timers like Isbell, Laws and Hutson? AND HOW ABOUT THOSE GOAL POSTS!]
And here are some pictures:
And a really good article comparing Isbell with his more famous counterparts, Sid Luckman and Sammy Baugh: http://www.profootballresearchers.or...27-06-1104.pdf
Isbell joined the Packers after leading the College All Stars to a 28-16 victory over Sammy Baugh’s Redskins in 1938. The Packers already had an All-League tailback in Arnie Herber, but Isbell was so talented that the two generally would alternate for Cecil’s first three years in the league. Sometimes both would play at the same time and occasionally even would throw passes to each other. Slow-footed Herber caught two touchdown passes from Cecil in 1938.So does Cecil Isbell belong in the Hall of Fame? No, his career was too short. The above numbers indicate, though, that Curly Lambeau was not off-base when he said that Isbell was the best passer he ever saw. Isbell was the master at any range. He could throw soft passes, bullet passes, or feathery lobs. He was the best with Sid Luckman of the Bears a close second and Sammy Baugh of the Redskins a long third. Luckman wasn’t as versatile and Baugh coudn’t compare on the long ones.
One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers
They shared the QB position for three years. Herber played much longer and was voted to the NFL's "All 1930s" team, so I figured he must be the real legend. But I see now that Isbell was special too. Herber should have retired, then threatened to play for the Duluth Eskimos if Curly didn't let him return and play ahead of Isbell.
Hmmm, Isbell pushes TJ Rubley off of the Big Eight list, tis a shame. There's something wrong with a list that has Bart Starr as only the 4th best QB in Packer history.
Especially since there's been a sportswriter or two that have called Starr the best QB in NFL history.
One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers
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Last edited by Harlan Huckleby; 10-23-2014 at 11:29 AM.
Vince already posted on Isbell in the Legends thread here: http://packerrats.com/showthread.php...l=1#post533076
Here's a video of both Isbell and Herber in action:
[CHECK OUT THE AFTER-TOUCHDOWN HANDSHAKE IN THE ENDZONE. I've seen Packers' WR's shake hands like that in games this year. Could the handshake be our guys' nod to old timers like Isbell, Laws and Hutson? AND HOW ABOUT THOSE GOAL POSTS!]
And here are some pictures:
And a really good article comparing Isbell with his more famous counterparts, Sid Luckman and Sammy Baugh: http://www.profootballresearchers.or...27-06-1104.pdf
What's with all the throwing off the back foot? And why are milk men acting as referees?
As for the list...CHFF did a list a couple years ago, I think, and Bart Starr (based on their formula) was the greatest NFL quarterback...in all NFL history. Not just for the Packers. So, for me, watching Starr as I grew up (admittedly toward the end of his career), here is my list:
1. Bart Starr
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Brent Favre
4. Cecil Isbell (just because I saw Maxie's video)
5. Lynn Dickey
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
The DBs when Woodson was around used to do the handshake too. They used to call it the business handshake or something similar.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.
Bart Starr must have sold a lot of cars at that dealership of his. The used car salesman certainly has you two fooled.
Only kidding! I have no problem with Starr at top of list, I really don't know. I did see him play at end of his career. Looks like Maxie waited until Fritz posted, he cribbed from his list.
I resemble that remark!!
Actually, it's interesting how close our lists are. I was actually posting my list when I saw Fritz had posted one. I think they're similar because we both have terrific powers of football game observation.
One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers
Damn straight!I resemble that remark!!
Actually, it's interesting how close our lists are. I was actually posting my list when I saw Fritz had posted one. I think they're similar because we both have terrific powers of football game observation.
And I have fond memories of Dickey - the only ray of hope was that one playoff team. The dude could throw a football. But he was a statue in the pocket, and he did throw his share of picks.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
It would be interesting if we could go back and give Dickey a decent defense. Maybe he would have been truly successful.
My fondest memory of Lynn Dickey comes from 1990s when he was back for some honor, maybe 92 when he got put in hall. The camera cut to him in a sky box during game. He was just shoveling food in his face. It was funny at time, never seen him since.
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