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[mraynrand]

If i have to choose my loons..i choose the liberal loons.

This is what you wrote, as though you would choose the loons who are equally far to the left as Tex is to the Right. If Ward Churchill is off the liberal/Democrat reservation (pun intended? HA HA), then Tex is off the conservative/Republican reservation - therefore your comment that Tex is the reason you're not a Republican falls apart, because he then in no way represents what Republican are all about.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

If i have to choose my loons..i choose the liberal loons.

This is what you wrote, as though you would choose the loons who are equally far to the left as Tex is to the Right. If Ward Churchill is off the liberal/Democrat reservation (pun intended? HA HA), then Tex is off the conservative/Republican reservation - therefore your comment that Tex is the reason you're not a Republican falls apart, because he then in no way represents what Republican are all about.

Unfortunately for you, you don't understand that the repub party, according to Tex is filled with his types..the blue collar. Tex isn't off the rez...according to him. He is a good normal american. His values represent normal americans.

So, i was referring to the loons within the base of the dem party...abortion rights, socialism, etc.

[mraynrand]

If i have to choose my loons..i choose the liberal loons.

This is what you wrote, as though you would choose the loons who are equally far to the left as Tex is to the Right. If Ward Churchill is off the liberal/Democrat reservation (pun intended? HA HA), then Tex is off the conservative/Republican reservation - therefore your comment that Tex is the reason you're not a Republican falls apart, because he then in no way represents what Republican are all about.

Unfortunately for you, you don't understand that the repub party, according to Tex is filled with his types..the blue collar. Tex isn't off the rez...according to him. He is a good normal american. His values represent normal americans.

So, i was referring to the loons within the base of the dem party...abortion rights, socialism, etc.

So you're saying Tex is right about Repubs and is representative - that most Republicans would welcome the death of all the delegates at the DNC. Is that what you believe?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

If i have to choose my loons..i choose the liberal loons.

This is what you wrote, as though you would choose the loons who are equally far to the left as Tex is to the Right. If Ward Churchill is off the liberal/Democrat reservation (pun intended? HA HA), then Tex is off the conservative/Republican reservation - therefore your comment that Tex is the reason you're not a Republican falls apart, because he then in no way represents what Republican are all about.

Unfortunately for you, you don't understand that the repub party, according to Tex is filled with his types..the blue collar. Tex isn't off the rez...according to him. He is a good normal american. His values represent normal americans.

So, i was referring to the loons within the base of the dem party...abortion rights, socialism, etc.

So you're saying Tex is right about Repubs and is representative - that most Republicans would welcome the death of all the delegates at the DNC. Is that what you believe?

I think that is more a question for yourself. Like i said, you effete, intellectual conservs will be second to go.

I'm just happy that as a liberal i can kill any repub that wanders onto my property.

[texaspackerbacker]

First of all, I don't recall the movie reference. Maybe it was somebody else; Maybe I just forgot.

Secondly, there appears to be a factual error here by somebody with the "Little Eichmanns" reference. It sounds like Jews are being called that, when actually, Eichmann was a hyper-murderer of Jews.

I am tempted to say, Tyrone, you are showing more insight here than the pseudo-conservatives who seem so bent on kissing up to the elitist left, if only because of your unhealthy, albeit flattering, pre-occupation with my history of posting. It all fell into place when I realized that you were OTown from JSOnline. I refer to your line about hanging them from the same tree where we hang your sick kind--when "we" take over.

Just the same, while I have virtually no respect you and your sick damned America-hating kind, I do have a fair degree of respect for those in here who generally post degrees of common sense conservatism, but now want to disavow me.

Several months ago, when I first came over to this forum, I posted a long and detailed statement of my positions, and I challenged anybody--particularly the forum leftists--to state how ANY of them could be perceived as extreme or wrong. Of course, not one of the usual leftist posters had the balls to even make an attempt--so typical. Anyway, I address this to Howard, Aynrand, and a few others who are generally on the normal pro-American side of things.

You want to consign me to a position of extremism--basically the conservative equivalent of Ward Churchill--even with the appreciated stipulation that I'm only extreme against perceived anti-Americans? I ask you, WHAT have I ever said or advocated that is all that extreme? How can you--if you are not the effete elitists Tyrone referred to--consider simple normal pro-American positions that I express as extreme? And I ask again, what in the hell is wrong with expressing what probably a large percentage of good normal apolitical America-loving Americans wish--that enemies of America suffer and die? And I further ask you, how can you NOT see the true extremists--those who would bring down the power and prestige of America, those who would CHANGE our economy to socialist, those who disrespect our Judeo-Christian heritage and morality in favor of an agenda of atheism and depravity--as enemies of America?

The left has done a very good job over the past couple of decades of re-defining normalcy and extremism. I would like to think of you guys being able to see through that anti-American crap. It will be interesting to hear your take on this, Howard, Aynrand, etc.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

oh tex, how quickly you forget the massive hardon you have for a 7 Days in May scenario.

Yep, advocating the military topple our gov't is very american.

[texaspackerbacker]

That was an interesting book/movie, and I, indeed, was rooting for the Kirk Douglas side in it. I just didn't recall posting that. I hereby nominate you for the position of Official Texaspackerbacker Historian. Anybody who keeps track of my "massive hardons" can't be all bad.

I'm torn between being pleased and disgusted with your mania for my posts. It seems you know me better than I know myself.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

That was an interesting book/movie, and I, indeed, was rooting for the Kirk Douglas side in it. I just didn't recall posting that. I hereby nominate you for the position of Official Texaspackerbacker Historian. Anybody who keeps track of my "massive hardons" can't be all bad.

I'm torn between being pleased and disgusted with your mania for my posts. It seems you know me better than I know myself.

Proving you are un american. Rooting for the military.

[HowardRoark]

You want to consign me to a position of extremism--basically the conservative equivalent of Ward Churchill--even with the appreciated stipulation that I'm only extreme against perceived anti-Americans? I ask you, WHAT have I ever said or advocated that is all that extreme? How can you--if you are not the effete elitists Tyrone referred to--consider simple normal pro-American positions that I express as extreme? And I ask again, what in the hell is wrong with expressing what probably a large percentage of good normal apolitical America-loving Americans wish--that enemies of America suffer and die? And I further ask you, how can you NOT see the true extremists--those who would bring down the power and prestige of America, those who would CHANGE our economy to socialist, those who disrespect our Judeo-Christian heritage and morality in favor of an agenda of atheism and depravity--as enemies of America?

The left has done a very good job over the past couple of decades of re-defining normalcy and extremism. I would like to think of you guys being able to see through that anti-American crap. It will be interesting to hear your take on this, Howard, Aynrand, etc.

Tex, while I generally agree with you and often times think you present an argument extremely well, the idea that we should kill our political enemies is complete and utter nonsense.

Our country is founded on freedoms….including freedoms to be an atheist, Socialist, etc. I happen to believe that my convictions are so solid that they will win out on their merits, not at the end of a sword. I think that the “loyal opposition” is a concept that will make the truer conviction rise to the top.

This is where I agree with you in concept, not in your means. I do think that the Left has done an extremely good job over the past 50 years or so of taking control of ALL the levers of communication in this country. They have taken over Universities, Public Education, Television, Movies and the News (aka the God Damn MSM assholes). We have at least one generation out there that hasn’t a clue on the basics of freedom, Capitalism, Democracy, history, etc. They sure can put together a compost bin, or empathize with a transgender person, but the rest….not so much. Well, the way Ty has been demeaning Ziggy tonight, maybe my premise is wrong. But he’s old. The point is that maybe we don’t have a "loyal opposition” anymore….just a bunch of zombies chanting stuff like “yes we can!”

Be honest folks, you want Socialism. Period. Say it. If you don’t get it, start reading more books.

I also think that we should have a very strong separation of Church and State. My faith is more important to me than my country (and my country is VERY important to me), but I do not believe that they should be commingled. But, this also involves secular religions such as Naturalism. Why should certain moralities such as what kind of light bulb I use be shoved down my throat. Or, why should I feel ashamed for owning over 30 cylinders? Why do my children have to learn about a bong inspired theory that is flawed on multiple levels that claims to explain the origins of life?

My religion is strong enough to stand on it’s own without a government behind it. Also, the separation of church and state was NOT meant to scrub religion from our society.

I will digress for a little bit here. I also think that EVERY question that comes up in life boils down to whether or not there is a God. Literally everything….so I also think that if there is a true God, you can’t help but have it involved in government. An apropos example would be “thou shalt not kill.” Now I bring this up to you Tex because you claim and allegiance to Christian ideals, yet you want to kill. God commands for you to not kill. He also tells you to “render onto Caesar that which is Caesar’s.” Getting back to my point, if there is not a God who commands to not kill, why shouldn’t we kill? Ty is honest enough to say that all the killing might be part of the culling in the Evolutionary process. Therefore it is not "evil", ergo it must ne O.K. Bullshit I say.

The bottom line Tex is that I think you can actually do a hell of a lot of good just with your ideas. They are RIGHT, yet everything you say is discounted after you rant about killing people. Ideas have consequences, have more faith in your ideas. And, God commands you to not kill. And you claim to believe in God.

[mraynrand]

If i have to choose my loons..i choose the liberal loons.

This is what you wrote, as though you would choose the loons who are equally far to the left as Tex is to the Right. If Ward Churchill is off the liberal/Democrat reservation (pun intended? HA HA), then Tex is off the conservative/Republican reservation - therefore your comment that Tex is the reason you're not a Republican falls apart, because he then in no way represents what Republican are all about.

Unfortunately for you, you don't understand that the repub party, according to Tex is filled with his types..the blue collar. Tex isn't off the rez...according to him. He is a good normal american. His values represent normal americans.

So, i was referring to the loons within the base of the dem party...abortion rights, socialism, etc.

So you're saying Tex is right about Repubs and is representative - that most Republicans would welcome the death of all the delegates at the DNC. Is that what you believe?

I think that is more a question for yourself. Like i said, you effete, intellectual conservs will be second to go.

I'm just happy that as a liberal i can kill any repub that wanders onto my property.

It figures you wouldn't answer. But I guess ultimately I don't care, because your position was best summed up long ago when you touted Sullivan saying that we're no better than anyone else. Except for you. The epitome of pure relativism and elitism.

[mraynrand]

First of all, I don't recall the movie reference. Maybe it was somebody else; Maybe I just forgot.

Secondly, there appears to be a factual error here by somebody with the "Little Eichmanns" reference. It sounds like Jews are being called that, when actually, Eichmann was a hyper-murderer of Jews.

I am tempted to say, Tyrone, you are showing more insight here than the pseudo-conservatives who seem so bent on kissing up to the elitist left, if only because of your unhealthy, albeit flattering, pre-occupation with my history of posting. It all fell into place when I realized that you were OTown from JSOnline. I refer to your line about hanging them from the same tree where we hang your sick kind--when "we" take over.

Just the same, while I have virtually no respect you and your sick damned America-hating kind, I do have a fair degree of respect for those in here who generally post degrees of common sense conservatism, but now want to disavow me.

Several months ago, when I first came over to this forum, I posted a long and detailed statement of my positions, and I challenged anybody--particularly the forum leftists--to state how ANY of them could be perceived as extreme or wrong. Of course, not one of the usual leftist posters had the balls to even make an attempt--so typical. Anyway, I address this to Howard, Aynrand, and a few others who are generally on the normal pro-American side of things.

You want to consign me to a position of extremism--basically the conservative equivalent of Ward Churchill--even with the appreciated stipulation that I'm only extreme against perceived anti-Americans? I ask you, WHAT have I ever said or advocated that is all that extreme? How can you--if you are not the effete elitists Tyrone referred to--consider simple normal pro-American positions that I express as extreme? And I ask again, what in the hell is wrong with expressing what probably a large percentage of good normal apolitical America-loving Americans wish--that enemies of America suffer and die? And I further ask you, how can you NOT see the true extremists--those who would bring down the power and prestige of America, those who would CHANGE our economy to socialist, those who disrespect our Judeo-Christian heritage and morality in favor of an agenda of atheism and depravity--as enemies of America?

The left has done a very good job over the past couple of decades of re-defining normalcy and extremism. I would like to think of you guys being able to see through that anti-American crap. It will be interesting to hear your take on this, Howard, Aynrand, etc.

I used the Ward Churchill example to put Ty to task on what he regards as extreme. he gave a competely evasive slimy weasly series of responses, trying to parse what is 'on or off' the reservation. Your position of wishing for or being happy about the deaths of fellow Americans is inconsistent with Conservative values. That's it. Otherwise, you write a lot that is valuable.

[BallHawk]

OH LAWD THE ONE IS HERE!

[BallHawk]

HOLY CRAP! I think that was Uncle Phil from Fresh Prince in the audience.

[Bossman641]

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[texaspackerbacker]

You want to consign me to a position of extremism--basically the conservative equivalent of Ward Churchill--even with the appreciated stipulation that I'm only extreme against perceived anti-Americans? I ask you, WHAT have I ever said or advocated that is all that extreme? How can you--if you are not the effete elitists Tyrone referred to--consider simple normal pro-American positions that I express as extreme? And I ask again, what in the hell is wrong with expressing what probably a large percentage of good normal apolitical America-loving Americans wish--that enemies of America suffer and die? And I further ask you, how can you NOT see the true extremists--those who would bring down the power and prestige of America, those who would CHANGE our economy to socialist, those who disrespect our Judeo-Christian heritage and morality in favor of an agenda of atheism and depravity--as enemies of America?

The left has done a very good job over the past couple of decades of re-defining normalcy and extremism. I would like to think of you guys being able to see through that anti-American crap. It will be interesting to hear your take on this, Howard, Aynrand, etc.

Tex, while I generally agree with you and often times think you present an argument extremely well, the idea that we should kill our political enemies is complete and utter nonsense.

Our country is founded on freedoms….including freedoms to be an atheist, Socialist, etc. I happen to believe that my convictions are so solid that they will win out on their merits, not at the end of a sword. I think that the “loyal opposition” is a concept that will make the truer conviction rise to the top.

This is where I agree with you in concept, not in your means. I do think that the Left has done an extremely good job over the past 50 years or so of taking control of ALL the levers of communication in this country. They have taken over Universities, Public Education, Television, Movies and the News (aka the God Damn MSM assholes). We have at least one generation out there that hasn’t a clue on the basics of freedom, Capitalism, Democracy, history, etc. They sure can put together a compost bin, or empathize with a transgender person, but the rest….not so much. Well, the way Ty has been demeaning Ziggy tonight, maybe my premise is wrong. But he’s old. The point is that maybe we don’t have a "loyal opposition” anymore….just a bunch of zombies chanting stuff like “yes we can!”

Be honest folks, you want Socialism. Period. Say it. If you don’t get it, start reading more books.

I also think that we should have a very strong separation of Church and State. My faith is more important to me than my country (and my country is VERY important to me), but I do not believe that they should be commingled. But, this also involves secular religions such as Naturalism. Why should certain moralities such as what kind of light bulb I use be shoved down my throat. Or, why should I feel ashamed for owning over 30 cylinders? Why do my children have to learn about a bong inspired theory that is flawed on multiple levels that claims to explain the origins of life?

My religion is strong enough to stand on it’s own without a government behind it. Also, the separation of church and state was NOT meant to scrub religion from our society.

I will digress for a little bit here. I also think that EVERY question that comes up in life boils down to whether or not there is a God. Literally everything….so I also think that if there is a true God, you can’t help but have it involved in government. An apropos example would be “thou shalt not kill.” Now I bring this up to you Tex because you claim and allegiance to Christian ideals, yet you want to kill. God commands for you to not kill. He also tells you to “render onto Caesar that which is Caesar’s.” Getting back to my point, if there is not a God who commands to not kill, why shouldn’t we kill? Ty is honest enough to say that all the killing might be part of the culling in the Evolutionary process. Therefore it is not "evil", ergo it must ne O.K. Bullshit I say.

The bottom line Tex is that I think you can actually do a hell of a lot of good just with your ideas. They are RIGHT, yet everything you say is discounted after you rant about killing people. Ideas have consequences, have more faith in your ideas. And, God commands you to not kill. And you claim to believe in God.

Howard, there is a fine line of difference between saying "we should kill our political enemies", and expressing a wish for them to die--either with a tinge of reality or with sarcasm--or expressing an honest happiness when a villain does kick off. I would suggest to you that NOT being honest about such things is a sign of political correctness and giving undue consideration to the anti-American assholes of the left--both on the national scene and in the forum.

If you want to bring up "Thou shalt not kill", you need to also consider the plethora of Biblical instances in the same contest of time and place where "enemies"--violent and otherwise--were ordered by the Author of "Thou shalt not kill" to be killed.

Also, there is a major difference between the "right to be wrong"--atheism and other ways, and the blatant disrespect for the religion --the TRUE religion--which also happens to be our national heritage--if not our National Religion. You seem to do a lot of buying into the leftist propaganda that the Dem/libs have been spewing for a few decades now.

I mean, if calling atheists extremist idiots, and expressing disgust at the widespread disrespect for Christianity, free enterprise, and just about everything else American, then this country has been dragged a long way down by the shitheads of the left. Would you agree with that? Or are you part of the problem?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

If i have to choose my loons..i choose the liberal loons.

This is what you wrote, as though you would choose the loons who are equally far to the left as Tex is to the Right. If Ward Churchill is off the liberal/Democrat reservation (pun intended? HA HA), then Tex is off the conservative/Republican reservation - therefore your comment that Tex is the reason you're not a Republican falls apart, because he then in no way represents what Republican are all about.

Unfortunately for you, you don't understand that the repub party, according to Tex is filled with his types..the blue collar. Tex isn't off the rez...according to him. He is a good normal american. His values represent normal americans.

So, i was referring to the loons within the base of the dem party...abortion rights, socialism, etc.

So you're saying Tex is right about Repubs and is representative - that most Republicans would welcome the death of all the delegates at the DNC. Is that what you believe?

I think that is more a question for yourself. Like i said, you effete, intellectual conservs will be second to go.

I'm just happy that as a liberal i can kill any repub that wanders onto my property.

It figures you wouldn't answer. But I guess ultimately I don't care, because your position was best summed up long ago when you touted Sullivan saying that we're no better than anyone else. Except for you. The epitome of pure relativism and elitism.

Tex: What do you want me to say? That is he is wrong. Most likely. Or should i wonder if he is closer to his people than i am..and who am i to question his life and experiences.

The republicans i know..the elite, effete aren't that way..but, Tex and his blue collar minions..that isn't my scene. The republicans i know aren't part of the religious right, aren't evangelical, etc. And, i constantly read and hear things from them that makes me shudder.

You mite want to consider the ramfications of your hero's courting of the RR by RR..and what type of political party you have.

Either way..your party is FRACTURED and in big trouble. Just like the Dems after Nam. You are facing some troubling times. Look at your nominees. Not one encompasses the broad coalition of RR. You had the evangelical candidate in Ark gov, the pro biz/anti tax in romney, the less gov Paul..and Mccain..who is really only a tie to the salad days. And, he has had to sell his soul to get the nomination.

Sucks for you conservs..cause you guys aren't gonna control your own party. Thank god...maybe we can return to repubs like Nixon.

1. We are all humans..so, we aren't better than anyone. Our actions are what determine if we ACT better than others.

2. Elitism: pot calling the kettle black. Why don't you just admit you are...like Ingraham says.

[HowardRoark]

You seem to do a lot of buying into the leftist propaganda that the Dem/libs have been spewing for a few decades now.

No, just try my best to rise above it.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

And just like that...Tex shows his true colors. True Religion...but, i thought we were judeo christian (a joke of a label if ever there was one).

[Kiwon]

Who can watch this crap?

"Now is the time..." to elect a Marxist and for the government to take over your lives.

Even if someone admired Obama, America cannot afford this Marxist. How do you spell "Bankruptcy?" B-A-R-A-C-K O-B-A-M-A

[mraynrand]

1. We are all humans..so, we aren't better than anyone. Our actions are what determine if we ACT better than others. .

What a lovely epigram.