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    Quote Originally Posted by packinpatland
    The liberal left just trying to dig up dirt whereever they can...if you look for it on anyone you will find it.

    Did you know Biden used to plagerize speeches years ago? Did you know Hilary and her husband were involved in shady land deals when Bill was a governor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LL2
    Quote Originally Posted by packinpatland
    The liberal left just trying to dig up dirt whereever they can...if you look for it on anyone you will find it.

    Did you know Biden used to plagerize speeches years ago? Did you know Hilary and her husband were involved in shady land deals when Bill was a governor?
    Why is it you never have to look very hard when it's the Dems you're talking about?

    And why is it the media glosses it over and defends them anyway when it's the Dems you're talking about?

    Why is it the careers of Biden, Clinton, Barney Frank, Harry Reid, and a whole host of other Dems continued unscathed, while the fag Congressman from Florida, George Allen, Trent Lott, Newt Gingrich, the governor of Illinois who ran for senate against Obama, etc. etc. etc. had their careers ruined for the same or actually much less?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LL2
    Quote Originally Posted by packinpatland
    The liberal left just trying to dig up dirt whereever they can...if you look for it on anyone you will find it.

    Did you know Biden used to plagerize speeches years ago? Did you know Hilary and her husband were involved in shady land deals when Bill was a governor?
    Dirt? At least not in the classic sense. That's just how she does business. Favoritism ahead of professionalism? We should be used to that considering who we as a nation have put in power over the last few years.
    C.H.U.D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkinBasket
    Quote Originally Posted by packinpatland

    Ah, the Times...
    Ah, Skin with another ad hominem attack. What a surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Bigguns
    Ah, Skin with another ad hominem attack. What a surprise.

    The graph clearly shows the NYT is biased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Bigguns
    Ah, Skin with another ad hominem attack. What a surprise.

    The graph clearly shows the NYT is biased.
    Skin with another ad hominem attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Bigguns
    Quote Originally Posted by SkinBasket
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Bigguns
    Ah, Skin with another ad hominem attack. What a surprise.

    The graph clearly shows the NYT is biased.
    Skin with another ad hominem attack.
    Find some numbers that prove mine wrong then.
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    Forget the numbers, graphs.......show me where the NYT was dead wrong with their facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkinBasket
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Bigguns
    Quote Originally Posted by SkinBasket
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Bigguns
    Ah, Skin with another ad hominem attack. What a surprise.

    The graph clearly shows the NYT is biased.
    Skin with another ad hominem attack.
    Find some numbers that prove mine wrong then.
    Am i disputing your graph?

    We await your research on voting by education/smarts, real critique of the numbers i posted by ANY source, and any critique of the NYT story that disputes the acccuracy of the work.

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    Yeah, yeah. Whatever you say Tyrone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Campbell
    Yeah, yeah. Whatever you say Tyrone.
    Getting testy scott..must be fearful of obama win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkinBasket
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Bigguns
    Ah, Skin with another ad hominem attack. What a surprise.

    The graph clearly shows the NYT is biased.
    I thought this was funny.
    C.H.U.D.

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    It's a shame how some of these decent issue and candidate oriented threads degenerate like this.

    I think it's the fault of the lame leftists--who are so grossly WRONGHEADED and OUT OF TUNE with America and good normal Americans on the issues that all they can do is DIVERT and RUN AND HIDE.

    You see the same thing on the national scene too. The America-hating ...... rectums ........ just don't dare confront McCain/Palin on the issues, so they try to blur things and divert toward character assassination and irrelevancy.

    The Obama campaign and their leftist mainstream media allies are testicularly challenged, just like our lame forum leftists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by packinpatland
    Forget the numbers, graphs.......show me where the NYT was dead wrong with their facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Bigguns
    Am i disputing your graph?

    We await your research on voting by education/smarts, real critique of the numbers i posted by ANY source, and any critique of the NYT story that disputes the acccuracy of the work.
    Tyrone, no one knows what the fuck you're disputing anymore because you dispute everything on the forum without ever saying anything.

    I gave you your fucking critique on your numbers. Read it again if you've forgotten. You made excuses about google failing you instead of addressing the fact that your data doesn't mean shit to the argument at hand.

    Forgive me if I don't consider the NYT a credible source of unbiased news. I hardly think I'm alone. And neither is Palin in doing what every politician does when they take office. They fill jobs with those who helped them get there and those who share their views. Of course it's only news to the Times when a republican in need of smearing is the subject.

    I certainly didn't read anything that suggested Alaska fell into a state of unrecoverable turmoil as a result of her appointments. Or that there were even any complaints about the jobs those people she appointed were doing. Other than of course *GASP* she knew them growing up!!! In fact, the 80% approval rating would seem to indicate that those who were affected most by these decisions are happy with them, even if the New York Times isn't.

    The rest of the article is the same recycled non-stories that every anti-Palin publication has been trying to push since she took the stage at the convention and scared the shit out of Obama's flock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkinBasket
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Bigguns
    Am i disputing your graph?

    We await your research on voting by education/smarts, real critique of the numbers i posted by ANY source, and any critique of the NYT story that disputes the acccuracy of the work.
    Tyrone, no one knows what the fuck you're disputing anymore because you dispute everything on the forum without ever saying anything.


    He's obviously got some personal issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkinBasket
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Bigguns
    Am i disputing your graph?

    We await your research on voting by education/smarts, real critique of the numbers i posted by ANY source, and any critique of the NYT story that disputes the acccuracy of the work.
    Tyrone, no one knows what the fuck you're disputing anymore because you dispute everything on the forum without ever saying anything.

    I gave you your fucking critique on your numbers. Read it again if you've forgotten. You made excuses about google failing you instead of addressing the fact that your data doesn't mean shit to the argument at hand.

    Forgive me if I don't consider the NYT a credible source of unbiased news. I hardly think I'm alone. And neither is Palin in doing what every politician does when they take office. They fill jobs with those who helped them get there and those who share their views. Of course it's only news to the Times when a republican in need of smearing is the subject.

    I certainly didn't read anything that suggested Alaska fell into a state of unrecoverable turmoil as a result of her appointments. Or that there were even any complaints about the jobs those people she appointed were doing. Other than of course *GASP* she knew them growing up!!! In fact, the 80% approval rating would seem to indicate that those who were affected most by these decisions are happy with them, even if the New York Times isn't.

    The rest of the article is the same recycled non-stories that every anti-Palin publication has been trying to push since she took the stage at the convention and scared the shit out of Obama's flock.
    This is more bs. I simply posted figures that showed dems were not less educated.

    I didn't give google as an exuse..that is you. I gave you data..you suggesed that i posted only what was supportive...to which, if YOU can recall I stated was the only data i found. It wasn't pro or con...it was only what was found.

    Nor did i post it with the express intent of saying who was better educated and therefore smarter. I never said anything to that at all. Infact, i pointed out that Partial's statement was elilist.

    You choose to invalidate it on YOUR criteria. I simply asked you to find a source that agreed with your viewpoint..that the polling data wasnt' valid.

    Bias: Have you read anything from me saying the NYT isn't biased. Everyone is biased..including yourself and the conservative sources that conservs use.

    Your construct that they are smearing..well, i read it and dont' see it. I see a listing of the facts. Just as you don't see Fox smearing when i and others do.

    However, simply attacking the story because it is from the NYT is laughable. You would ride me all day long if i simply did that to your sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Campbell
    Quote Originally Posted by SkinBasket
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Bigguns
    Am i disputing your graph?

    We await your research on voting by education/smarts, real critique of the numbers i posted by ANY source, and any critique of the NYT story that disputes the acccuracy of the work.
    Tyrone, no one knows what the fuck you're disputing anymore because you dispute everything on the forum without ever saying anything.


    He's obviously got some personal issues.
    Pot calling kettle black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker
    First of all, whatever you may have against McCain pales to total insignificance (BTW, what DO you have against McCain?) compared to the horrendous prospect of an Obama presidency in terms of issue #1, preventing terrorism in America and issue #2, ruining the economy by raising taxes. McCain would SEEM to be YOUR kind of conservative, Bobblehead--one who is very concerned about the spending half of "tax and spend".

    As for the Republican Party, Sarah Palin goes a long way toward mitigating that concern. McCain was far from my first choice too. Even though he has talked a very good game since wrapping up the nomination, and even before, I would be a little bit suspicious of his conservatism too. However, Palin, even if she fades from the scene like most VPs, she will clearly be the frontrunnier in 8 years--maybe 4 if McCain decides not to run again. Hell, it could be sooner if McCain kicks off. The Party and its conservative dominance will thus, be alive and well. Or isn't Palin YOUR kind of conservative.

    If you want to waste your vote on Bob Barr, fine. Don't let me stop you, but I hope you're smart enough to realize the EXTREME difference between Obama and McCain/Palin.
    Mccain is full of shit is what I have against him. NOW he is all for lower capital gains taxes, but when bush pushed them thru he voted against the cut calling it "a tax cut for the wealthiest americans".

    He talks a good game about fiscal responsibility and wants to reign in about 18 billion in earmarks, but he voted for a new social program in medicare D. He also didn't even get involved with SS reform.

    He is totally on board with cap and trade which basically will protect large existing companies while making start up costs of competitors unattainable.

    He cosponsored campaign finance laws that crush free speech and protect incumbants.

    He is all for giving citizenship to people who are here illegally and straining our overstrained social programs. People who broke the law as their first act on american soil.

    As for sarah palin....talk to me about here when mccain actually DOES die, she would be a fine president. Yes, there is a difference between obama and mccain, but when we had guys running like tancredo, thompson, romney, even rudy....we put mr. across the aisle on the ticket. Sorry, I don't think he would be even an average president. Remember "I don't know much about economics". I'm not waiting 8 years for palin when I can get gingrich or jindall in 4.

    edit: PS....remember our discussion 3 months ago about the economy being fine?? Unemployment is up to 5.8% and last night we had the biggest bankruptcy in US history. Banks are failing and credit markets are a fucking mess. GDP is pretty much stagnant....who coulda seen this coming?? Yea, GW did some good things, but some real shit happened while we were fighting terrorism. I'd like a president who might actually be able to do both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Bigguns
    You choose to invalidate it on YOUR criteria.
    And this is what it always comes down to for you. No one can defeat you in your head.

    As far as the article goes, a reasonable person need only look at the source and the title to understand what it's intentions are. The content of the article is weak, and to be honest, reads a lot like one of your arguments: A whole lot of talk without a point - well not a point that you would be forced to defend in any meaningful way. Just a title meant to enrage those who are already looking to be enraged. More intellectually dishonest crap thrown at the wall in the hope that the smell will linger.
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