Proposition 8

[Cy]

My favorite West Wing episode:

West Wing: the television show that fantasized about liberal issues and presented weekly smackdowns of evil, hateful Republicans, allowing liberal ladies to survive the Bush era by pretending the President was really a Democrat.

Though this may be, the guy was dead-on with respect to the picking and choosing of Biblical laws to obey.

Cy: No he wasn't. That little soliloquy was obnoxious, a straw man fabricated by Hollywood, because in their secularist cacoon they haven't a clue of what Christians really believe. But it sure made the ignorant feel good about hearing it. Secularists and liberals heard it and said, "Yeahhh, Go get 'em, Prez!" Christians heard it and said, "huh? What's he talking about."

To say that the rejection of homosexula marriage is an "imposition of our morality" is to deny that anyone can be against homosexual marriage unless he is a "man of the book." Which is absurd.

Anyone who wishes to maintain the traditional undersstanding of meaning and language could and would be against homosexual marriage. Citizens in a Republic have an interest in maintaining stability, and part of that stability demands that traditional institutions are maintained.

Why, for example, could polygamy be argued for and defended with the SAME arguments used to defend homosexual marriage? Or incest? Or any number of different arrangements?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Collectivism has been tried before, and it has failed abjectly, miserably, and often at great cost to human life.

This is true. That's why we meld elements of free markets and collectivism. Implemented as pure ideologies, both systems fail.

[Tarlam!]

Why, for example, could polygamy be argued for and defended with the SAME arguments used to defend homosexual marriage? Or incest? Or any number of different arrangements?

Now, that makes me stop and think.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I completely understand it.

You have absolutely no understanding of Christianity.

why bring religion into it?

I didn't.

Who did Howard?

Hell if I know. Am I my PackerRats brother keeper?

Exactly, but you appear to be mine.

It is just amazing how you can always manage to critique my usage of the bible/religion.

Whether or not you believe in Christianity is not the issue with your lack of knowledge on the subject. You are unaware of one of the cornerstones of the religion; that being the Trinity.

It’s OK to once and a while admit you are not an expert on a subject.

Unaware? LOL

Where do you determine that from my posts?

Yeah, i guess i never have heard of that...i always wondered about my friend who went to Trinity in Texas. Yeah, never have heard of the father, son and the holy ghost.

Yep, just having catholic friends and attending church with them taught me nothing.

Yep, dating a Unitarian taught me nothing.

Guess living in the south and being exposed regularly to pentecostals who don't believe in that..or living in Phx and working regularly with LDS members who dont' believe in it either. Yep, a foreign concept.

Yep, being married to a woman that converted and attending her parents church regularly taught me nothing.

Howard, this is a christian country for the most part. It is almost impossible if you are a sentient being to not pickup on your religion. It is as pervasive as air.

Look, otown, with all due respect, I know every possible intricacy of what you did, do, and don’t know on the subject. Back at OT: Movie Recommendation, there was a month long discussion on the topic. It already is the second time around for your little cut and paste up above. I’ve seen it and heard it all before.

You had your co-dependent Abe to help you out. Go find him, let’s do it again. Sure, Robert (Nietzsche rest his soul) was there to pipe in once in awhile. And greenday, (Mr Fancypants with his PhDs) added some lucidity. I see GK and Cy are here now too. But really, this has all been done before.

You have me confused with someone else. Seriously. If you think that I or anyone else who has half a brain hasn't heard of the trinity then you are really a moron. The whole thing (trinity) doesn't make much sense to me, but to think i haven't heard of it...that is laughable.

I grew up with catholics and protestants. My family owned a boat with a catholic family. I attended church with them many times and was inquisitive about their brand of christianity.

My ex's family was UCC. I attended church with them too many times to count..including many a sermon that left me quite cold about how they viewed non christians.

So, please stop embarrassing yourself.

You know ever intricacy? Really? LOL

Abe help me out? Again you have me confused. Abe and I rarely saw i to eye...and he was one who belittled anyone who believed in religion..not me.

[HowardRoark]

Look, otown, with all due respect, I know every possible intricacy of what you did, do, and don’t know on the subject. Back at OT: Movie Recommendation, there was a month long discussion on the topic. It already is the second time around for your little cut and paste up above. I’ve seen it and heard it all before.

You had your co-dependent Abe to help you out. Go find him, let’s do it again. Sure, Robert (Nietzsche rest his soul) was there to pipe in once in awhile. And greenday, (Mr Fancypants with his PhDs) added some lucidity. I see GK and Cy are here now too. But really, this has all been done before.

You have me confused with someone else. Seriously. If you think that I or anyone else who has half a brain hasn't heard of the trinity then you are really a moron. The whole thing (trinity) doesn't make much sense to me, but to think i haven't heard of it...that is laughable.

I grew up with catholics and protestants. My family owned a boat with a catholic family. I attended church with them many times and was inquisitive about their brand of christianity.

My ex's family was UCC. I attended church with them too many times to count..including many a sermon that left me quite cold about how they viewed non christians.

So, please stop embarrassing yourself.

You know ever intricacy? Really? LOL

Abe help me out? Again you have me confused. Abe and I rarely saw i to eye...and he was one who belittled anyone who believed in religion..not me.

O.K. otown, whatever you say. Your post above is literally a replay of what we have already discussed. The UCC is not Christian....ring a bell?

[SkinBasket]

You fuckers are totally queering up the faggot thread with all your words.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

United Church of Christ isn't christian?

I'll be sure to let them know. Should we take them to court for false advertising as they pretty much state they are: Christian, Reformed, Congregational and Evangelical.

Are all Protestant churches not christian?

Who determines who is christian? Please let me know which branches of "christianity" aren't christian.

Bell: Not really.

[HowardRoark]

United Church of Christ isn't christian?

I'll be sure to let them know. Should we take them to court for false advertising as they pretty much state they are: Christian, Reformed, Congregational and Evangelical.

Are all Protestant churches not christian?

Who determines who is christian? Please let me know which branches of "christianity" aren't christian.

Bell: Not really.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

United Church of Christ isn't christian?

I'll be sure to let them know. Should we take them to court for false advertising as they pretty much state they are: Christian, Reformed, Congregational and Evangelical.

Are all Protestant churches not christian?

Who determines who is christian? Please let me know which branches of "christianity" aren't christian.

Bell: Not really.

I was being serious. Why are they not christian..and please let me know which other branches aren't. I want to correctly identify the wrong ones.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You fuckers are totally queering up the faggot thread with all your words.

i'm just sweet talking him into bed. That make you feel better?

[BallHawk]

Why, for example, could polygamy be argued for and defended with the SAME arguments used to defend homosexual marriage? Or incest? Or any number of different arrangements?

1. In most cases incest and polygamy occur in heterosexual people. They are sexually "normal" by nature, they just choose to take it to an unacceptable height.

2. How many polygamists are there in the US? Now, how many homosexuals are there in the US?

[MJZiggy]

But how many polygamists would there be if they thought they could get away with it?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Why, for example, could polygamy be argued for and defended with the SAME arguments used to defend homosexual marriage? Or incest? Or any number of different arrangements?

1. In most cases incest and polygamy occur in heterosexual people. They are sexually "normal" by nature, they just choose to take it to an unacceptable height.

2. How many polygamists are there in the US? Now, how many homosexuals are there in the US?

Unacceptable heights for polygamy? I use to respect you!!!

If anything, there is no reason to outlaw polygamy. Especially since it is a religious practice.

[BallHawk]

I was mainly referring to incest, not polygamy.

I believe that polygamy is morally wrong, but I don't think there is a strong case against it. It's going on the biblical definition of marriage......um, seperation of Church and State.

Hell, I think beastiality should be legal.

Govt should keep its head out of two things: Marriage and Sex.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I was mainly referring to incest, not polygamy.

I believe that polygamy is morally wrong, but I don't think there is a strong case against it. It's going on the biblical definition of marriage......um, seperation of Church and State.

Hell, I think beastiality should be legal.

Govt should keep its head out of two things: Marriage and Sex.

Why do you think polygamy is morally wrong?

[MJZiggy]

He asks about that and not the bestiality...what if the animal has a headache that night?

[BallHawk]

I was mainly referring to incest, not polygamy.

I believe that polygamy is morally wrong, but I don't think there is a strong case against it. It's going on the biblical definition of marriage......um, seperation of Church and State.

Hell, I think beastiality should be legal.

Govt should keep its head out of two things: Marriage and Sex.

Why do you think polygamy is morally wrong?

My personal belief, I believe marriage should be one man and one woman.

That's it. Morally wrong, IMO. I'm not one to judge others, though. Thus my reasoning that govt. should stay out.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

He asks about that and not the bestiality...what if the animal has a headache that night?

What if I have a headache and the animal wants to get it on?

[BallHawk]

He asks about that and not the bestiality...what if the animal has a headache that night?

What if I have a headache and the animal wants to get it on?

It depends how expensive the horse is.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

He asks about that and not the bestiality...what if the animal has a headache that night?

What if I have a headache and the animal wants to get it on?

It depends how expensive the horse is.

What if the horse bought me an expensive dinner? Do i owe the horse sexual gratification?