A response to FavreChild and others regarding Posting

[Administrator]

Thanks for the explaination, but wouldn't it have been prudent to dump it in the GC and avoid cenring anything? Sorry to be a pain in the ass, but I feel I need to be clearer on what you did.

The whole thread had nothing to do with BR the Steelers QB playing football from the first post onwards. It was about BR the alleged rapist. The only football content was where he might find a landing spot and there were maybe five posts on that in 6 odd pages. So, if one were to use your measuring stick, Joe, it shouldn't have lasted as long as it did on the Packers forum.

Packer Rats was initially a democracy. The members voted on how this place was run. In the first few days, on a daily basis. I think it's positve that there are stricter rules in place e.g. The Favre rule has done wonders for the place.

Your administrative conduct in this matter seems to be an appeasment attempt to one poster that took issue with another poster. Further, you cencored posts.

It was mixed into the concrete foundations of this place that that would never happen, provided we use the appropriate forums for the posts we chose to make. Threads were often moved, I think one or two were deleted. Nothing else was cencored.

I value my right to sharing my opinions around here if they are posted within the rules and not personally attacking anyone, even if they might offend some people. I also value reading other people's views, even if they are offensive.

I, for one, would like to know if cencorship of this kind can be expected in future.

Well, it's never "clear" what to do in these situations. In hindsight, yeah I probably should have either closed the topic, or dumped it elsewhere, but there is a perspective that I think you're missing. Maybe a female rat will weigh in with her thoughts on this one as she could probably state it better than I.

Will I "censor" posts in the future? Hope not. Probably done it less than 2 dozen times in the year I've owned this place. Moved threads much more often. But, I won't take away the "tool" from my tool belt. You had a good idea about removing the comment from Madtown's rules and I will do that.

As to why I left the thread in the Packer room - First, hadn't read the whole thing until FavreChild pointed it out to me. Second, not much discussion going on right now, and moving it out of the packer room would have been the death of the discussion (In hindsight that's a good thing but up front, it wouldn't have been so clear), and finally it was "tangentally" related to football and current news and I want to have some leeway for that. In the end, the pollyannish hope is that folks will remember that they are in the packer room and temper their comments accordingly, but maybe that isn't realistic at all.

FWIW, I'm glad you're back and hope you'll stick around for a while.

[Administrator]

in hindsight I guess I shouldn't edit a few posts, start a thread in the Romper Room and then leave for an hour to pick up speaker wire and an electrical box at Home Depot....

[swede]

What is really unfortunate is that we lost mraynrand & to a lesser extent bobblehead because of losing tyrone.

What good is Batman and Robin without the Joker?

Just a couple of sad old guys in tights.

[Tarlam!]

What good is Batman and Robin without the Joker?

Just a couple of sad old guys in tights.

Swede, you need to get out a bit. The TV show you watch are just re-runs. They have new really cool suits now that are awesome. Check 'em out at your DVD rental.

[Administrator]

I moved the posts relating to the "rape" discussion to a separate thread because I didn't want the "confusion" related to what we were discussing.

Please see this thread if you wish to consider the discussion of what constitutes rape.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=20398

Post here if you wish to comment on posting in general..

[twoseven]

i left this place because it got too predictable. if you posted long enough, certain personalities would find a way to try and get under your skin, some even seem to get off on it. would they do this if face to face with you, or if not hiding behind what is an anonymous persona? i honestly don't think so, at least i hope not. i firmly believe that is what will allow certain posters to type certain things, they can get away with it and do not have to look the other person in the eye as they are insulting or belittling them. there are too many friendly alternatives out there these days that allow you to share with others and avoid these situations. it's not a mystery as to why some left and may never come back. what are they actually getting here that they cannot find elsewhere?

[MJZiggy]

i left this place because it got too predictable. if you posted long enough, certain personalities would find a way to try and get under your skin, some even seem to get off on it. would they do this if face to face with you, or if not hiding behind what is an anonymous persona? i honestly don't think so, at least i hope not. i firmly believe that is what will allow certain posters to type certain things, they can get away with it and do not have to look the other person in the eye as they are insulting or belittling them. there are too many friendly alternatives out there these days that allow you to share with others and avoid these situations. it's not a mystery as to why some left and may never come back. what are they actually getting here that they cannot find elsewhere?

Me.

[Guiness]

I'm not sure what I said that was worth deleting.

Wow, that joke almost writes itself.

Maybe Woody can help us out with the answer to that? :P

[Harlan Huckleby]

What is really unfortunate is that we lost mraynrand & to a lesser extent bobblehead because of losing tyrone.

The IQ of the fyi room dropped 30 points when tyrone and myaynrand left. now the high points are skinbasket and me calling each other fuckers.

The policy I would like to see would be revoking people's posting privileges in the Packer forum for a period if they are offending too many people. It could be done early and (relatively) often. That way everybody always has a good time with a happy ending over there.

I know I am in the minority on this, but I can't think of a single person that has been banned that didn't contribute something positive here.

When people get threatened with banning, they feel picked-on, treated differently, and they revolt. Once somebody gets on the banning highway, they complete the journey. A lot of the problems have been made worse by deteriorating relationships between the admin and the bad boy, both before and after Mad took a powder. I think excluding from the packer room might lower temperatures, do the job without negative taste & consequences of a complete banning.

[Joemailman]

I agree with Harlan. When I left for most of last year, it was mainly because Ty and Partial were turning so many football threads into bickering sessions between the two of them. I wanted to discuss football, so I went elsewhere for a while. Barring them from the Packer forum for a while might have sent a message to them while keeping everyone here.

[Kiwon]

What is really unfortunate is that we lost mraynrand & to a lesser extent bobblehead because of losing tyrone.

Ah, I liked those guys.

In our next school production I hereby volunteer to play the part of 'Tyrone Bigguns'. Maybe that will bring rand and bobble back.

[twoseven]

i left this place because it got too predictable. if you posted long enough, certain personalities would find a way to try and get under your skin, some even seem to get off on it. would they do this if face to face with you, or if not hiding behind what is an anonymous persona? i honestly don't think so, at least i hope not. i firmly believe that is what will allow certain posters to type certain things, they can get away with it and do not have to look the other person in the eye as they are insulting or belittling them. there are too many friendly alternatives out there these days that allow you to share with others and avoid these situations. it's not a mystery as to why some left and may never come back. what are they actually getting here that they cannot find elsewhere?

Me.

so, you're no longer on FB?

[Freak Out]

i left this place because it got too predictable. if you posted long enough, certain personalities would find a way to try and get under your skin, some even seem to get off on it. would they do this if face to face with you, or if not hiding behind what is an anonymous persona? i honestly don't think so, at least i hope not. i firmly believe that is what will allow certain posters to type certain things, they can get away with it and do not have to look the other person in the eye as they are insulting or belittling them. there are too many friendly alternatives out there these days that allow you to share with others and avoid these situations. it's not a mystery as to why some left and may never come back. what are they actually getting here that they cannot find elsewhere?

Me.

Yep.

Nothing anyone posts here really bothers me.....I come here because I've met some of the posters at Ratbowl 2 and enjoyed their company....and I respect the football knowledge and personalities of some of the posters quite a bit.

Plus there is Skins gay porn.

I don't think anyone should ever get banned unless they breach the personal info rule or the account spamming deal. I agree with HH and think there should be a timeout area (GC) as a form of punishment and if they rant and rage and never change their ways then that's where they can stay.

But it's Joe Admins place and he is free to run it like he wants.

[MJZiggy]

i left this place because it got too predictable. if you posted long enough, certain personalities would find a way to try and get under your skin, some even seem to get off on it. would they do this if face to face with you, or if not hiding behind what is an anonymous persona? i honestly don't think so, at least i hope not. i firmly believe that is what will allow certain posters to type certain things, they can get away with it and do not have to look the other person in the eye as they are insulting or belittling them. there are too many friendly alternatives out there these days that allow you to share with others and avoid these situations. it's not a mystery as to why some left and may never come back. what are they actually getting here that they cannot find elsewhere?

Me.

so, you're no longer on FB?

My facebook is limited to friends and I only friend the people I know so there are just a couple people who can get me at both. The vast majority cannot get me on FB.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I post a lot less than I used to, but I don't want people to get the wrong idea. I come to the forum and it's basically the same as it always has been. I like that. Real life is just busy and it's the offseason. Plus, I'm just not as interested in studying every draft bio like I used to be. I'll let things play out, read the bios after the Packers pick, and I'll be back on here posting.

[twoseven]

My facebook is limited to friends and I only friend the people I know so there are just a couple people who can get me at both. The vast majority cannot get me on FB.

i made my original comment in regards to what people actually get from this place that they can't get from PFT.com and FB as alternatives. i have been using what started as a JSO packer forum/letters to the editor then PR since 95' and a lot has changed in that time that has made these packer forums less interesting versus the alternatives. there are a handful of poster profiles here that i enjoy exchanging banter with, and truth is, if i were actually friends on the other site with all of those posters i wouldn't come here at all. so, your initial comment is spot on, i do come here for the conversation with certain personalities that i am not getting elsewhere, but it's rarely packer talk and it's not nearly as vocal as it is for me at the other place. and if my exodus from this place for what was about a year and a half is any indicator, my meanlingelss convos here are good, but not so good that i can't get by without them. i can only speak for myself, but i wouldn't be shocked if others that have left may feel similar about what PR was for them.

[Gunakor]

While I don't agree with JH's opinion on that topic, I fully support his ability to express it.

On principle, it's not my job to walk on eggshells for anybody else here. I feel obligated to refrain from any personal attacks on other posters, but I feel my obligation as a poster ends there. Beyond that freedom of speech kicks in, and it'll be a cold day in hell before I willingly concede that freedom in favor of a new forum where controversial topics and opinions are banned from discussion simply because some with thin skin would be offended by them.

Attacking or defending Rothlisberger OR his actions to any degree whatsoever does not constitue a personal attack on any poster here. Rothlisberger and the events surrounding him are and were merely the subject of discussion, and thus any comment made specifically about that is fair game IMO. Even if that comment is wrong, even if it might be offensive to some, so long as it isn't a pointed comment at another poster it's not out of line.

I can't find fault in JH for having an opinion and expressing that opinion. The fact that some were offended so badly that they'd leave the forum altogether is much more surprising IMO than the opinion JH expressed. I can't find fault in them either, I mean everybody does what's best for themselves. Just surprising is all, given that this is an online forum where you'd think thicker skin would be mandatory - given the highly controversial topics and posts we see pop up 365 days a year. I'd just hope nobody is coerced into a different posting style simply to appease a few posters who have left or have threatened to leave because they don't agree with what we post.

[gex]

Anyone know where Bigguns and Partial are posting these days? I always enjoyed reading what they posted.

[Deputy Nutz]

Jesus sweet fucking christ this is ridiculous.

I hate every single one of you for ruining one of the truly happy places in my life.

I regret to inform you all that this place sucks the balls of the crabs that crawl around on Skinbasket's nutsack.

[HowardRoark]

Anyone know where Bigguns and Partial are posting these days? I always enjoyed reading what they posted.

I would tell you where Partial posts, but Madtown might yell at me. Could someone show our friend gex how to keep up with Partial's exploits......althogh they are more tame than what he did here.

In order to wet your appetite:

Bike:

9.5ish miles

Weights:

Flat Bench:
2x5 @ 215 - These didn't feel very good. I don't know why. Must have been an off day. Spotter helped me on the 5th rep of 2nd set.

Narrow Grip Bench:
2x5 @ 190 - Form was bad. Didn't go down far enough. Need to hit triceps harder.

Incline Bench:
2x5 @ 185 - These weren't great reps either. But they went up.

Tricep Pushdown:
2x8 @ 120? - Not sure how much stack was, numbers were scratched off but I think it was about 120.

Flat Bench:
2x5 @ 135 - Just to kill some time.