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    Quote Originally Posted by vince
    Cub Buck

    A University of Wisconsin star in the teens, Cub Buck was an experienced pro by the time he became a Packer in 1921.

    He played two seasons for the Canton Bulldogs where he blocked for the great Jim Thorpe.

    At 6’3”, 250-pounds, Buck was one of the largest linemen of his day.

    Buck’s field goal in the rain was the only score against the Columbus, Ohio, Panhandlers in a 1922 3-0 Packer win.

    While playing for the Packers, Buck was an executive with the Boy Scouts, coached at Lawrence University and purchased an Appleton, Wis., auto dealership.

    In 1926, Buck retired to become head coach of the University of Miami Hurricanes.
    Some serious man-boob action happening there!

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    Arnie Herber:


    Joined the team in 1930; he was from Green Bay. Veterans nicknamed him “Dummy.” Lambeau ordered it stopped. One guy didn’t and was traded.

    He could throw the ball over 80 yards. Was known for his arm…. and fearlessness.

    On September 22, 1935, a legendary passing tandem was born. On the first play versus the Chicago Bears at City Stadium, Herber fired a pass to rookie end Don Hutson who ran untouched for an 83-yard touchdown as the Packers won 7-0. The Herber to Hutson combination changed the face of pro football. Herber’s ability to throw long passes stretched defenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HowardRoark
    Arnie Herber:


    Joined the team in 1930; he was from Green Bay. Veterans nicknamed him “Dummy.” Lambeau ordered it stopped. One guy didn’t and was traded.

    He could throw the ball over 80 yards. Was known for his arm…. and fearlessness.

    On September 22, 1935, a legendary passing tandem was born. On the first play versus the Chicago Bears at City Stadium, Herber fired a pass to rookie end Don Hutson who ran untouched for an 83-yard touchdown as the Packers won 7-0. The Herber to Hutson combination changed the face of pro football. Herber’s ability to throw long passes stretched defenses.
    The Packers' Arnie Herber became the NFL's first long-bomb passer, and he did it with unusually small hands.

    At Green Bay West High School, Herber learned he could improve his distance and accuracy by palming the ball, rather than using the laces.

    He led the league in passing three times and finished his time in Green Bay with 6,749 yards passing and 66 touchdowns

    Roughly 70 years after his time in Green Bay concluded, his touchdown pass total is still good enough for fifth on the team’s all-time list (although I have a feeling he’ll drop to sixth sometime this season).

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince
    Cub Buck

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    At 6’3”, 250-pounds, Buck was one of the largest linemen of his day.
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    I've always heard how much bigger players are now, but they're aren't just bigger, they're a LOT bigger!

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    Fred Hulbert

    In 1895, Fred Hulbert introduced football and started the very first professional team in Green Bay.

    The Packers came about as a direct result of the evolution of the professional town team that had come before them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Denis Gullickson and Carl Hanson in "Before They Were the Packers"
    In 1895 football was limited to colleges and boys’ schools in Wisconsin.

    The first inter-school football game was between Whitewater and Platteville in 1895. Platteville soundly defeated Whitewater 30-0.

    When he moved to Green Bay following school [at Wayland Academy in Beaver Dam], he brought the first pigskin with him that the town had ever seen.

    On Green Bay’s west side, Hulbert was surrounded by the homes of Irish railroad workers. There, raw-boned youths with more time than sense were itching for excitement.

    These young men gathered at the West Side Athletic Association, where Hulbert was hired as trainer.

    For some of Hulbert’s early recruits, football was an excuse for sanctioned brawling than it was an opportunity for sport.

    The best part of the Packer mystique is that they are – in the truest sense of the term – the last remaining town team.

    The fact that they survived at all is a miracle. Their brethren from this era, other early town teams and members of the fledgling American Professional Football Association – are nothing more than tombstones sitting quietly on Pleasant Hill.

    The game that was played around the turn of the century was extremely violent. Players were often injured and some even died.

    Football has been constant entertainment in Green Bay since the first formal game was played on September 21, 1895. That game was played at Washington Park, once located at the east end of Walnut Street.

    The park included what are today East High School and its entire campus as well as Johannes Park and a residential neighborhood to the south. It had a racetrack that regularly featured the fastest horses in the area.

    The first professional football game in Green Bay, by a team led by Fred Hulbert, was played here on land that is now part of the East High School campus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince
    The park included what are today East High School and its entire campus as well as Johannes Park and a residential neighborhood to the south. It had a racetrack that regularly featured the fastest horses in the area.

    The first professional football game in Green Bay, by a team led by Fred Hulbert, was played here on land that is now part of the East High School campus.[/quote]

    One sight to see in Green Bay is the memorial on the north side of the Green Bay East H.S. field. It is a beautiful, classy, informative remembrance of the connections between that high school, the University of Notre Dame, and the Green Bay Packers.
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    Great old newspaper article on Herber. Thanks for posting it.

    My, how sports writing has changed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince
    That book is available online in pdf format for free. I'll find it and post a link.

    EDIT: They took the pdf version offline and it's available in some non-printable format called Daisy.

    http://www.archive.org/details/green...kersp010233mbp

    If anyone wants this book in pdf format, let me know and I can make it available to you.
    Here's the link to a PDF of this book.

    https://www.transferbigfiles.com/a5a...3dOlogTA%3d%3d

    It will be up until Wed. 9/15.

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    Can't be an accurate photo. He's not blue and where's his tail?

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    Earl L. “Curly” Lambeau (The Football Player)


    The Early Years

    Curly was an athletic phenom at East High School, strong and agile, a multi-sport athlete, captain of the football team as a senior, who was a cock-sure kid and very much a ladies’ man.

    Lee Remmel has said that he believes it was Curly’s pompous air and panache that gave us the Green Bay Packers and why Green Bay still has the Packers. There were an awful lot of guys who played by the rules and didn’t break some of those social norms, and their teams of course no longer exist.

    Not only was he fast and athletic, he was strong. As a high school senior in the local conference track meet, he won the shot put, discus, and hammer throw.

    He was considered a triple threat on the gridiron, because he great runner, passer, and could drop-kick very well for field goals and extra points, which were a bigger part of the game in that day.

    Lambeau actually coached the East football team his senior year under the supervision of a teacher who had been assigned to take charge of the team, but knew nothing about the game.

    Notre Dame

    Lambeau played for legendary coach Knute Rockne at Notre Dame in 1918, making the Irish's varsity squad and lettering as a freshman, but a severe case of tonsillitis forced him to return home before his sophomore year.

    History Re-Written

    Packer history tends to begin in 1919 when, as the story goes, Lambeau told George Calhoun, the sports editor of the Green Bay Press Gazette, that he wanted to start up a football team. Then, Calhoun placed an article in the paper to recruit some players and the Packers were born.

    This is wrong, or at the very least, isn’t the whole truth.

    Calhoun did put an article in the paper, but this had been done for years to round up the town team players and begin the season. The players had already been confirmed as a matter of course from last year’s squad.



    His girlfriend at the time, who would become his first wife, Margerite (Van Kissel) Lambeau, provided another glimpse of the truth.

    “Marcel (Lambeau's father) wanted Curly to return to Notre Dame that fall, but he didn't want to go. He hated school, and he had a good job with the Indian Packing Corporation. Even so, if he wanted to play football, he had to go back to Notre Dame. Or so he thought until Calhoun suggested that he could play for the town team. That sealed the deal. Lambeau stayed, and he was elected as the team captain, a title that meant he was in charge of the team on the field.”

    In fact, Lambeau had illegally (according to high school rules) played for the town team prior to 1919 while he was still in high school, or after the high school season, in 1917.



    Lambeau is in the right half-back position (in the back left) of this 1917 Green Bay town team photo.

    Most of the players that played in 1919 had also played for the town team (including Lambeau) in years past. The only difference in 1919 was that Lambeau, coming off the huge (and warranted) lift he had in his football status as starting back for Notre Dame, was elected captain, and this was the first year that the team was called the Packers, as Lambeau did in fact get $500 from his employer (the Indian Packing Company) for uniforms and equipment in exchange for the publicity that would come with the team being named after the company.

    Otherwise, the Packers team in 1919 was a seamless continuation from previous years' teams.

    On the Field



    Lambeau played for the Packers until 1929, when he ended his playing career and only coached the team.

    Although Lambeau played halfback, he was the player who took the snap from the center, as was common practice during that period.

    From the beginning, Lambeau was one of the most important innovators in the history of the game of football.

    He decided that running the ball on every play wasn’t good enough, that passing the ball with regularity would bring greater success.

    But he also took passing to another level in terms of game-planning. He determined that passing routes could be more effective when planned out, so he decided to have the receivers run specific routes.

    Opposing teams hated this, as the Packers became highly effective at it. They would say that passing was for sissies.

    When the Packers played a passing game against a team of miners in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, Lambeau "had to run for his life," according to Jim Doherty in Smithsonian. Lambeau later remarked, "Those miners were tough."

    Not surprisingly, Lambeau threw the Packers' first official pass, first official touchdown pass, and kicked the Packers' first official field goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince
    played for legendary coach Knute Rockne at Notre Dame in 1918, making the Irish's varsity squad and lettering as a freshman, but a severe case of tonsillitis forced him to return home before his sophomore year.
    Sorry for this, but, please Rats:Educamate me!

    What is a VARSITY?
    What does it mean to "Earn a LETTER?

    Google give me no clues and I keep reading this stuff. I'd like to understand.
    /Thread Jack.

    This is a sensational thread. I'm learning so much!

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    In high school predominantly today, but also in colleges, schools often have a "varsity" team as well as a "junior varsity" team. The best players play "varsity" while the younger players typically would play on the "junior varsity" team. It would have been uncommon for a first year college player in that day to be good enough (or mature enough) to play for the varsity team, which was comprised predominantly of the upper-classmen.

    To earn a "letter" which would be placed on a jacket for display, players have to have played in games on the varsity team a certain amount, such as a starting player would earn.

    Hope that helps Tar.

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    Here's an example of a letterman's jacket Tar, that you don't see much anymore, but used to be very popular with high school and college athletes. Athletes would earn their "letters" and badges by virtue of their athletic performance and display them on their jackets.

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    Thanks Vince. It helps a lot!

    In Oz, we have a team for each age. No matter what grade we are in, we play all our sports at our own age group. No matter how talented.

    We also two teams from Grade 3 to Grade 6. Junioers and Seniors. But in High School, from Grade 7 to grade 12, we have a team per Grade/Age.

    We don't have the cool looking jackets, no symbols of "belonging".

    The worst thing is, we don't have cheerleaders!!

    Now, I'm talking about Sydney in the 70's. Quite possibly, things have changed. Also worth pointing out: I was the captain of my cricket team and rugby League team and it made zero impression on the ladies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince

    Lambeau is in the right half-back position (in the back left) of this 1917 Green Bay town team photo.
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    Thanks for all the information vince, et.al. This thread is a great read.
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    In case anyone is questioning the football voracity and talents of Manboobs Buck, here's an article that shows he was indeed the man back in his day...


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    Tom Silverwood

    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Gullickson and Carl Hanson in "Before They Were the Packers
    On October 17, 1896, a former University of Wisconsin-Madison footballer named T.P. Silverwood was introduced.

    Silverwood graduated with a law degree and came to Green Bay on a bicycle looking for a career as an attorney. He subsequently entered into the firm of Ellis and Merrill.

    His law career would include a stint as Green Bay district attorney in 1904 and several high profile cases including a Neillsville, WI murder. However, football was not far from his mind and was likely the reason he traveled to Green Bay.

    At the end of the 1896 season, the Green Bay Advocate interviewed Silverwood on “football benefits.” They identified him as a “ball enthusiast,” the interview focused on the brutality of the game and its effect on high school and college students.

    Silverwood turned the interview toward the rewards of training and discipline required for football success. When asked, “Is it a brutal game?” Silverwood’s response was definite:

    No! It is no more brutal to the player than the race to the trotting horse. To be sure, there are scratches and bumps and bruises, but these are nothing to one who’s been in the glorious hand-to-hand struggle of a football game, where all the physical strength, all the brains and all the science of one team are pitted against that of another team.

    In the mass of bodies in the trenches Hulbert, and now Tom Silverwood, saw the kinetic pulse of strategy and finesse and a game elevated by their use.

    In 1897, all the pieces seemed to be in place; superior talent, tremendous organization, great coaching, fan support, great press coverage and strong financial backing.

    The Green Bay newspapers covered several team meetings in late August and early September, some coinciding with team practice.

    The team met regularly at the headquarters of the West Side Athletic Association where Hulbert worked.

    To accommodate the players with day jobs, arc lights were strung around the field at Ben Garlock’s lot on the corner of Dousman and Oakland for night practice.

    By now the team had added a “second eleven” which would “meet every evening with the regular eleven for practice.” They had every reason to envision success. They were big, they were buff, and they were ready.

    Hulbert’s presence was the key to the team in 1895, and the addition of Silverwood near the end of 1896 was also significant.

    But the enlistment of Tom Skenandore, a bruising fullback from Oneida, who had acquired his football skills on teams at Carlisle Indian School in the early 1890’s was the key piece of the puzzle in 1897. His value was such that he became the first (and only in 1897) paid player on the team.

    Silverwood assumed position as captain and coach of the team in 1897, and he immediately implemented some ideas about how to improve the team – both on and off the field. A board of directors was formed to ensure community support, and a second team was added to give the regulars real practice. In 1896, Hulbert, nicknamed, “Genial Fred” was willing to step back and let another hand lead the flock.

    Tom Silverwood was a staunch believer in athletics, a gifted organizer, a colorful character with a handlebar mustache, a Republican activist and a lover of football.

    Most of all, he had connections. Family documentation states that, “In 1897, Silverwood organized, coached and captained the Green Bay professional football team. The squad, predecessor to the present Green Bay Packers, played both professional and college teams and was undefeated for two years.”

    With the presence of the first paid player in Green Bay history, Tom Skenadore, Silverwood’s squad did constitute the city’s first “professional” aggregation. The team passed a hat throughout the crowd of spectators for contributions, which were used for medical bills and to provide a stipend for some of the players depending on how much money they had at the end of the year. The amount was never enough to support a man and his family.

    Out of five games in ’97, Silverwood’s squad went 4-0-1. The 1898 campaign was brief, but it was also without a loss.

    It was Silverwood’s friendship with Kewaunee native Ikey Karel, who’d been tagged as “the Red Grange of the ‘90’s” that brought Karel to Green Bay as part-time coach and supporter of Green Bay football. It was Karel who, while watching the team practice on Garlock’s vacant lot, stated, “Some day Green Bay will be world champions.”

    Under Hulbert and Silverwood, the team had advanced from a crew of undersized street brawlers to a crack unit with a statewide reputation.

    The final game of the 1897 season, against Fond du Lac was played at Washington Park on Thanksgiving Day in a snow storm. An amazing 1,000 spectators looked on while the visiting team was dominated by a score of 62-0. “Fond du Lac wasn’t in the game one minute,” stated The Green Bay Review. “The visiting eleven was out-classed, out-played and outed generally.”

    In 1919, Curly Lambeau’s pass-oriented juggernaut overwhelmed its opponents by a total combined score over 11 games of 565-12, for an average of 57-1 per game. But 23 years earlier, the Green Bay town team had accomplished a similarly remarkable feat. 1897 was part of an era when the emphasis was on defense and preventing the other team from scoring. Touchdowns were worth only four points. Yet, over five games, the Green Bay boys had bested their opponents 142-6 for an average of 28-1 per game.

    This 1897 outfit was the very first championship football team in Green Bay history. It declared its status as such at the end of its amazing season, and no challengers issued a defi to say it otherwise.

    Curly Lambeau’s team won its first National Football League crown in 1929, followed by championships in 1930 and 1931 – the first triple championship in NFL history. But the 1929 crown was not Green Bay’s first. Titletown saw championships in 1903, 1911, 1913, and 1915 as well.

    The team photo taken at the end of 1897 is the first known picture of a Green Bay town team.

    Going into 1898, thanks in large part to the efforts of Silverwood, the team had reputation, organization and financial success.

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    Great work Vince. Did you raid Lee Remmel's basemnet?

    Do you have a good picture of Buckets Goldenberg? There is a great picture of him in the book.
    After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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