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    Pick #26 - Datone Jones

    Height: 6037
    Weight: 283
    Arms: 32 3/4"
    Hands: 10"

    40 Yrd Dash: 4.75
    20 Yrd Dash: 2.72
    10 Yrd Dash: 1.61
    225 Lb. Bench Reps: 29
    Vertical Jump: 31 1/2
    Broad Jump: 09'04"
    20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.32
    3-Cone Drill: 7.32

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsb5fGAdsK8

    National Football Post:

    STRENGTHS - Jones has the ideal height, weight and frame for a 5-technique DE, and displays excellent quickness off the ball. He is very proficient and violent with his hands, which allows him to beat blockers with a variety of rips and swims. He also displays good short area quickness on stunts and spin moves, and at times appears un-blockable when his motor runs hot. He does a good job of sniffing out screens early and fighting off cut blocks with his hands.

    WEAKNESSES - Jones lacks the speed to be an edge rusher, and struggles to consistently finish and close once out in space. At times, he appears to take plays off, content to let blockers tie him up at the LOS and drive or seal him off the ball when he is clearly physically capable of controlling the LOS. When he gets too high off the snap, he limits his COD ability and makes himself an easy target for blockers.

    SUMMARY - Datone Jones was a frustrating player to evaluate at times because he has the physical gifts to be a dominant interior lineman against both the run and pass, but does not give consistent effort on every down. He displays excellent instincts off the snap, which allows him to penetrate interior gaps and wreak havoc into the backfield. He clearly possesses the natural strength to control and shed blockers at the LOS, but too often stands up at the snap and allows his man to get into his framework and dictate at the POA. His versatility will attract both 34 and 43 teams, but he is a natural fit at DE in a 34 and in a 43 could excel at LDE on run downs and slide inside to rush the passer on 3rd down. While his hot and cold motor is a concern, the reality is that he has the talent to be an impact player in the NFL, which is why I would use a first round pick to select him.

    CBS Sports:

    STRENGTHS: Well-built athlete with long arms and good strength, throughout. Flashes an explosive initial burst off the snap to penetrate gaps. Uses his hands well at the snap to rip free from blocks, showing a variety of pass rush techniques (swim, rip, club), as well as enough power to simply bull over offensive linemen into the backfield.

    Keeps his head up and locates the football quickly, showing good awareness and effort in pursuit. Has the upper-body strength to lock-out opponents and seal the edge. Stout enough to slide inside to defensive tackle, especially on obvious pass rush downs. Enjoyed a breakout senior campaign and may be just scratching the surface of his potential.

    WEAKNESSES: A classic 'tweener who until his senior season hadn't ever lived up to expectations. Lacks the sustained speed and flexibility to turn the corner as a traditional 4-3 defensive end. Lacks the bulk to handle full-time duties as a traditional defensive tackle. Has a tendency to stand up as he comes off the ball, losing out on the leverage battle. Uses his hands well initially but tires quickly and struggles to disengage once his opponent has locked on.

    COMPARES TO: Robert Ayers, DE, Denver Broncos -- Like Ayers, Jones has flashed talent throughout his collegiate career but has been racked with inconsistency. His versatility and big senior season could push a team to gamble on his upside early.

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    What he brings: Jones blew up at the Senior Bowl and has risen quickly since then. He is a little light, but he plays with leverage and has very active hands. He can win with first-step quickness in the run game and disrupt in the backfield, but Jones must play with better pad level as a pass-rusher. However, he flashes the quickness to win inside and outside as a pass-rusher. How he fits: The Packers really need physical defense ends in this base 3-4 front to set the edge against the run. It seems as if they are playing more nickel and dime schemes with four-man fronts. That requires a player with versatility. Jones is a natural fit at defensive end in the 3-4 and would probably move inside in the four-man front as that one-gap penetrator that they really like. With defensive linemen Ryan Pickett and B.J. Raji in the last year of their contracts, and inconsistency and injury concerns behind them, this unit needs that depth and versatility that Jones brings.

    Overall Football Traits:
    Production 2 2008: (10/2) 15-0-0 2009: (13/13) 30-11-42010: Medical redshirt 2011: (14/14) 41-6.5-3 2012: (14/14) 62-19-6.5 Career: 5 PBU, 4 FF, 1 FR

    Height-Weight-Speed 3 Adequate height and good bulk for a versatile DE. Has a strong, muscular build. Ran a fast 10-yard split (1.56) but below average 40-yard dash (4.80) at the combine. Has good-sized hands (10') but shorter-than-ideal arms (32.6).

    Durability 3 Took a medical redshirt year in 2010 due to a broken right foot injury suffered in summer camp. Had surgery to insert a screw that now holds together his fifth metatarsal. Returned in 2011 and started all 28 games during last two seasons at UCLA.

    Intangibles 1 High marks in regards to football character and work ethic. No significant off the field issues to our knowledge. Has a good working knowledge of NFL teams and their schemes. Shows great passion for the game. Gives great effort in the weight room and studying tape. Parents are Shondra Hall and Anthony Jones. Has four sisters and one brother. Grew up in Compton, CA.

    Defensive End Specific Traits:
    Pass Rush Skills 2 Good snap anticipation and initial quickness. Shows ability to consistently penetrate as an inside pass rusher. Also very effective speed-to-power moves as an outside rusher. Relentless in pursuit. Shows good closing burst and explodes through the quarterback when he has a clean shot. Only average lateral agility and athletic ability for LDE. Has a little bit of tightness in torso when bending the edge. Can struggle to be effective when reached. Has quick hands and flashes some violence, but has shorter arms and will struggle to get off of blocks if he doesn't win with initial move.

    Versus the run 3 Has a thick trunk. Can set the edge. Quick first step. Quick and violent hands. Does a very good job of locating the ball, disengaging and pursuing. Will make a lot of plays when working down the line and pursuing from behind. Strong upper body (29 reps on bench). However, anchoring versus the run is not his strength when playing inside (as a five-technique in 3-4 scheme).

    Versatility 2 Played 5-technique and shade NT in UCLA's three-man front in 2012. Needs to be used properly because he does have some tweener traits. Most effective rushing the QB from the inside but can provide pressure from the edge, as well. As a run defender, his best fit is LDE in 4-3 scheme. Would need to add bulk to frame in order to play three-technique in the NFL and don't think he fits very well as a two-gapping five-technique, so would only fit as a 3-4 DE if scheme calls for one-gapping five-technique.

    Instincts/Motor 2 Above average motor. Chases plays all over the field. Rarely 'dogs' it. But see too many times on tape where he elects to become a shot blocker when OL get in position and lock out. Shows good overall toughness.
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    Here are some nice Datone Jones videos from Packers.com

    Video 1 (Jones gets picked by the Pack)

    Video 2 (Jones speaks at the Combine)

    Video 3 (NFL.com overview of Jones)

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    I take some of these with a grain of salt, but it's draft day, so it's time to talk up our guy.

    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/4/2...t-justin-smith

    Now, that said, let's make some comparisons. If there's one player in this year's Draft that has a similar style as Watt and may play a similar role as Watt in the NFL, it's UCLA's Datone Jones.
    Both Kiper and McShay loves Jones and say he's underrated. (Both Kiper and McShay also says Xavier Rhodes is overrated. Sounds like a bad fit for the Vikings defense.)

    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9182206

    "Most dominant player every single day at the Senior Bowl."

    Steelers fan loves him some Datone Jones.

    http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com...d-datone-jones

    Jones is an incredible prospect who is getting better every day. While he was an average pass rusher in college, so far at the senior bowl he has shown an exceptional pass rushing ability, dominating every single tackle at the bowl. If he can continue to improve and add strength, he could be the next big thing at 3-4 defensive end. He has all the tools needed to dominate the position and combines them with a great work ethic and a motor that never stops. He is one of my favorite prospects in the draft and will be in the top 50 of my prospect rankings that will come out next week. He is a rapid riser and could be in top 20 consideration by the time the draft rolls around.
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    Seems like he's a little shy in his interview, but I like his focus. Seems like maybe a better #1 pick than Perry last year, but 20/20 hindsight - I know.

    As for Rhodes, he's big and can play bump man coverage well, but could really struggle in zone. Only time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smuggler View Post
    Seems like he's a little shy in his interview, but I like his focus. Seems like maybe a better #1 pick than Perry last year, but 20/20 hindsight - I know.

    As for Rhodes, he's big and can play bump man coverage well, but could really struggle in zone. Only time will tell.
    Mike Mayock had Dee Millner (NY Jets) Grade 93.2 as his #2 CB to someone? Those words from him ... a bit stunning. Nope ! Mayock's been dead wrong before. ie last years draft and Vontaze Burfict >>> The Bengals.

    Xavier Rhodes GR. 86.2 and DJ Hayden (Oakland Raiders) GR. 85.1 are next. Then it's now.. the Atlanta Falcons Desmond Trufant at Gr. 84.1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodbuck27 View Post
    Mike Mayock had Dee Millner (NY Jets) Grade 93.2 as his #2 CB to someone? Those words from him ... a bit stunning. Nope ! Mayock's been dead wrong before. ie last years draft and Vontaze Burfict >>> The Bengals.

    Xavier Rhodes GR. 86.2 and DJ Hayden (Oakland Raiders) GR. 85.1 are next. Then it's now.. the Atlanta Falcons Desmond Trufant at Gr. 84.1.

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    Maybe it answers my ? RE: Mayock and rating CB:

    RE: Pick Analysis: "He's a long, powerful corner." -- Mike Mayock >>> Reacts to >>>

    Xavier Rhodes >>> Vikings
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    Capers

    Good length
    Can play DE and sub packages
    Athletic player, basketball background
    HIgh character, good work ethic
    Watching him play, easy to project him in our defense

    Athletic and long. Moves with ease, gives us inside rush
    Can play DE in the 3-4
    Can play the run and pass inside

    Important to have some length at DE, was appealing
    Big frame, very lean guy, natural progression, he'll be able to put on weight

    Always felt liked versatile guys who can play all 3 downs, he can do that

    Like to have as much speed as you can, the way offenses are headed, you're going to be spread out, more of a space game. Anytime you cover space, the faster the better.

    Comparing Sly Williams to Jones. Williams is bigger. Jones is longer, and with that can play more positions.

    Can stem him outside. Move him from being over a guard, to being out in space. More flexibility because you can move him around, like they do with Clay, they like to stem Clay inside. Helps to have a guy who can move outside when Clay moves inside.

    Had good interview at combine, good guy, good character, work ethic.

    Taller than Cullen, but similar strengths to Cullen, can move around. Can play at times like a big linebacker. You like the basketball background, able to move around.
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    One gapper that needs to add more bulk. Good athlete that can penetrate and cause havoc.

    Played for a coach that preached toughness. Experienced against option football.

    Like the pick.

    It is going to be interesting to watch him line-up against nfl tackles.

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    DJ Hayden would have been the highest ranked CB except he broke his leg (think the NCAA basketball toruney injury) in a practice and that red flag had him ranked lower on a lot of boards. Frankly, Milliner also had injuries (more of them), but they weren't as severe. I feel something like having a guy take out your shin by falling on it falls into the 'freak accident' category, and you shouldn't be labeled as 'injury prone' because of it.

    However, I don't know if a label was the reason that Milliner was able to leapfrog him. It was the sheer catastrophic nature of that injury that suppressed his draft stock. Seems he made a near-full recovery as he ran a 4.33 40 and looked very agile in his pro day as well.

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    Love the pick. This guy is a stud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smuggler View Post
    DJ Hayden would have been the highest ranked CB except he broke his leg (think the NCAA basketball toruney injury) in a practice and that red flag had him ranked lower on a lot of boards. Frankly, Milliner also had injuries (more of them), but they weren't as severe. I feel something like having a guy take out your shin by falling on it falls into the 'freak accident' category, and you shouldn't be labeled as 'injury prone' because of it.

    However, I don't know if a label was the reason that Milliner was able to leapfrog him. It was the sheer catastrophic nature of that injury that suppressed his draft stock. Seems he made a near-full recovery as he ran a 4.33 40 and looked very agile in his pro day as well.
    Mike Mayock is very strong on DJ Hayden. He didn't say good CB...he used the 'GREAT' word.

    He'll be a good watch.

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    Haha, looked at some clips. He's a fuckin beast. Can't wait.
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    I'm actually relatively excited about the young talent on the defense. We'll need some things to fall into place, but if they do, this could be a good defense. I think it's going to come down to Perry and Jones being as good as I think they can be. Bishop returning healthy and McMillan or somebody from this draft stepping up at safety would be helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
    I'm actually relatively excited about the young talent on the defense. We'll need some things to fall into place, but if they do, this could be a good defense. I think it's going to come down to Perry and Jones being as good as I think they can be. Bishop returning healthy and McMillan or somebody from this draft stepping up at safety would be helpful.
    some pieces are there. we need a big banging safety not one that just plays center field.

    mayock mentioned that in the nfl there is no strong or free safeties -- must be multi dimensional

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    I get what Mayock is saying. Years ago, there were your Ronnie Lott, Steve Atwater, Chuck Cecil type players. Now you need guys that are more versatile.

    I do think you need at least one true rangy FS type though. Every team in the NFL, at times, wants to play with one safety deep. You need at least one guy who can go sideline to sideline in that look. We have exactly zero of those. I think we need a true FS. Unfortunately, the way things work in the NFL, he also has to be a hellofa tackler too. Not easy to find.

    We badly miss Nick Collins. I've become a big fan of Dashon Gholston. Reid might turn into a hellofa player, but the guy they had was a probowler in his prime. As bad as we miss Collins, I sort of hope SF misses their guy just as much.
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    I like Jones when he decides to play - from the write-up that 3irty1 posted:

    "Jones lacks the speed to be an edge rusher, and struggles to consistently finish and close once out in space. At times, he appears to take plays off, content to let blockers tie him up at the LOS and drive or seal him off the ball when he is clearly physically capable of controlling the LOS. When he gets too high off the snap, he limits his COD ability and makes himself an easy target for blockers...

    "Datone Jones was a frustrating player to evaluate at times because he has the physical gifts to be a dominant interior lineman against both the run and pass, but does not give consistent effort on every down."

    That's what I saw when I was watching film of him. Lot's to like if you watch his highlight reel - lot's to be afraid of if you watch him playing lazy. His blase', slow waltz, lack of effort act scared me off of him.

    That said, I figured TT was going to zero in on this guy. He's got some length, long arms, strong hands, and can hold the point very effectively - when he's interested apparently.

    The guy has tools, that's for sure, but I don't trust this pick at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    I like Jones when he decides to play - from the write-up that 3irty1 posted:

    "Jones lacks the speed to be an edge rusher, and struggles to consistently finish and close once out in space. At times, he appears to take plays off, content to let blockers tie him up at the LOS and drive or seal him off the ball when he is clearly physically capable of controlling the LOS. When he gets too high off the snap, he limits his COD ability and makes himself an easy target for blockers...

    "Datone Jones was a frustrating player to evaluate at times because he has the physical gifts to be a dominant interior lineman against both the run and pass, but does not give consistent effort on every down."

    That's what I saw when I was watching film of him. Lot's to like if you watch his highlight reel - lot's to be afraid of if you watch him playing lazy. His blase', slow waltz, lack of effort act scared me off of him.

    That said, I figured TT was going to zero in on this guy. He's got some length, long arms, strong hands, and can hold the point very effectively - when he's interested apparently.

    The guy has tools, that's for sure, but I don't trust this pick at all.
    Lots of great writups on ths guy wist; why you choosing the negative slant ? This pick was a no brainer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bretsky View Post
    Lots of great writups on ths guy wist; why you choosing the negative slant ? This pick was a no brainer
    Asking Wist "Why the negative slant?" is like asking Santa Claus on Christmas Eve "Why the sleigh filled with presents?" It's what he does.

    Watching the video of their USC game, I sure didn't see Jones taking plays off. And he didn't take plays off during Senior Bowl week when he was reportedly the only guy to get the best of Eric Fisher. Maybe he took some plays off against some of UCLA's lesser opponents. I don't know. In the NFL though, you're facing top competition every week, so I don't think that playing down to the competition will be a big problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    Asking Wist "Why the negative slant?" is like asking Santa Claus on Christmas Eve "Why the sleigh filled with presents?" It's what he does.

    Watching the video of their USC game, I sure didn't see Jones taking plays off. And he didn't take plays off during Senior Bowl week when he was reportedly the only guy to get the best of Eric Fisher. Maybe he took some plays off against some of UCLA's lesser opponents. I don't know. In the NFL though, you're facing top competition every week, so I don't think that playing down to the competition will be a big problem.

    One positive note for me was that Thompson indicated he had an opportunity or two to move down but decided not to. This suggests that A) the offers were lousy, or B) Thompson didn't want to lose out on Jones.

    So I'm going with "B" and am going to think Ted really liked this pick.

    I feel about this one better than Nick Perry last year, but not quite like Bulaga, which was a total no-brainer.
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    I hope adding the extra 20# doesn't mess with his game. If we could actually get some DL talent to stay healthy, we could control everyone's (Raji specifically) snap counts and the "taking plays off" thing would take care of itself.

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