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    This is the kind of adults we are raising...oh boo fucking hoo you got picked on for being different get the hell over it and make your millions and shut the hell up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Oday View Post
    This is the kind of adults we are raising...oh boo fucking hoo you got picked on for being different get the hell over it and make your millions and shut the hell up!
    Imagine everywhere you went at work, your coworkers were taunting you and your family....for 6 solid months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zool View Post
    Imagine everywhere you went at work, your coworkers were taunting you and your family....for 6 solid months.
    18 months. The guy chose to stop taking shit after a year and a half. He got pissed off and left. I don't see anywhere that he whined to anyone in the media or otherwise about it. There aren't any really good details about what made him do so -- only speculation based on a few observations -- so no one actually knows the depth of what went on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zool View Post
    Imagine everywhere you went at work, your coworkers were taunting you and your family....for 6 solid months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Oday View Post
    This is the kind of adults we are raising...oh boo fucking hoo you got picked on for being different get the hell over it and make your millions and shut the hell up!
    im not one for soft behavior but I think you have it partly right. These ARE the kind of adults being raised. To act like fucking children, to look down upon someone for being "smart" or for not being "hard". Reality is people don't know how to act right and this is one of those cases IMO. The world is full of wannabe thugs who think lowering yourself to shit is cool. Seems to be rampant among poor folk as I have personally seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadtownPacker View Post
    im not one for soft behavior but I think you have it partly right. These ARE the kind of adults being raised. To act like fucking children, to look down upon someone for being "smart" or for not being "hard". Reality is people don't know how to act right and this is one of those cases IMO. The world is full of wannabe thugs who think lowering yourself to shit is cool. Seems to be rampant among poor folk as I have personally seen.
    Thanks for pointing out the other side. Not only are we raising whimps that cant take it we are also raising whimps that need a group to pick on an individual.
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    Maybe I'm taking this conversation too seriously, but it's hard for me not to take bullying seriously. I was the victim of vicious bullying in school for almost an entire decade and had parents who were too busy with their own issues to teach a shy kid to stand up for himself. Without those tools and not being the kind of kid who retaliated (I believed even then that everyone you meet should be treated with respect and good will), I entered a very dark period in my life where my fondest thoughts were of suicide. It took me another fifteen years to clean up that messy, destructive cycle of despair.

    Now, looking back, I can easily say that my parents failed by not giving me the tools to protect myself, but the blame lies solely on the shoulders of the bullies. Anyone who feels the need to stand taller by putting someone else down, especially the easy targets, don't deserve anything except the harshest penalties. There is zero justification for that. I don't care how much anyone is making, what their social status is, what their skills are, what they look like, or anything. Nobody should ever have to be bullied. Ever.

    So, Tony, would you mind explaining why people who aren't good at taking bullying or standing up to bullies are "wimps"? It seems to me that assessment blames the victim and not the perpetrator (be it the parents who didn't equip a child or the bullies for being bullies).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smidgeon View Post
    Maybe I'm taking this conversation too seriously, but it's hard for me not to take bullying seriously. I was the victim of vicious bullying in school for almost an entire decade and had parents who were too busy with their own issues to teach a shy kid to stand up for himself. Without those tools and not being the kind of kid who retaliated (I believed even then that everyone you meet should be treated with respect and good will), I entered a very dark period in my life where my fondest thoughts were of suicide. It took me another fifteen years to clean up that messy, destructive cycle of despair.

    Now, looking back, I can easily say that my parents failed by not giving me the tools to protect myself, but the blame lies solely on the shoulders of the bullies. Anyone who feels the need to stand taller by putting someone else down, especially the easy targets, don't deserve anything except the harshest penalties. There is zero justification for that. I don't care how much anyone is making, what their social status is, what their skills are, what they look like, or anything. Nobody should ever have to be bullied. Ever.

    So, Tony, would you mind explaining why people who aren't good at taking bullying or standing up to bullies are "wimps"? It seems to me that assessment blames the victim and not the perpetrator (be it the parents who didn't equip a child or the bullies for being bullies).
    Were you a 24 year old that was 6-2 310? sorry no. I am sorry you were bullied I can imagine that sucks and if it gave you suicidal thoughts I am really glad you did not follow through. Your parents, teachers and people in authority when you were a minor failed you. This guy, though PB makes a point in the post below, is getting "picked" on in a locker room, ever been in one? It happens all the time. I hope we find out what actually happened because it has a great possibibility to change my mind but what facts we have now I say buck up buttercup.

    Now to your situation. I have a son and I know I have taught him and will continue to teach him to stand up for himself and others, what I am saying is we are raising kids that think they are #1 when they dont accomplish anything, tell them they are smart when they fail and move them along the system regardless of merit. My son is 7, he has 6 trophies. I was a three sport athlete from kindergarden on and I have 9 total trophies, a lot of ribbons, but what the hell, my son is even sick of getting participation trophies. We are not raising our children to thrive in adversity and this will have an adverse affect on our country in the coming decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Oday View Post
    Were you a 24 year old that was 6-2 310? sorry no.
    The fact that you think size is a mitigating factor makes me think you don't quite grasp the full range of possible issues. Its a workplace and there are only certain responses that will be tolerated (even offsite). So even if he could physically intimidate the offenders at a time he was not outnumbered, he was going to find it hard to justify that response to his coaches and GM*.

    I never had a problem with kids who were large because until the last couple of years of high school I was bigger than they were and it wasn't worth the trouble for them.

    The little ones with a Napolean complex though, they were clever, sharp tongued little bastards. And the leverage of the situation worked against me there because physical intimidation would have brought sanction down on me ("look at the big, huge football player picking on the tiny little angel").

    Size has nothing to do with it and can even work against you.


    *None of this applies if you are Charles Haley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    The fact that you think size is a mitigating factor makes me think you don't quite grasp the full range of possible issues. Its a workplace and there are only certain responses that will be tolerated (even offsite). So even if he could physically intimidate the offenders at a time he was not outnumbered, he was going to find it hard to justify that response to his coaches and GM*.

    I never had a problem with kids who were large because until the last couple of years of high school I was bigger than they were and it wasn't worth the trouble for them.

    The little ones with a Napolean complex though, they were clever, sharp tongued little bastards. And the leverage of the situation worked against me there because physical intimidation would have brought sanction down on me ("look at the big, huge football player picking on the tiny little angel").

    Size has nothing to do with it and can even work against you.


    *Non of this applies if you are Charles Haley.
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    ok I see I was late w my assumption....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Oday View Post
    This is the kind of adults we are raising...oh boo fucking hoo you got picked on for being different get the hell over it and make your millions and shut the hell up!
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