i bet you're one of those mexicans that can't take a friendly little joke and goes crying to HR every time someone calls you a beaner or wetback, or a drunk?Originally Posted by MadtownPacker
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i bet you're one of those mexicans that can't take a friendly little joke and goes crying to HR every time someone calls you a beaner or wetback, or a drunk?
I would never call that pendejo names like that.
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See I don't see that he did go through the process and that is my beef with this, sounds like he endured this "inhumane" treatement, at the hands of a mean racist that intimidated him by locking him up in the locker room and only letting him out to practice and play, as long as his delicate brain could take it then looked at some spaghetti with SPAM and threw it down, ran to the window and said THESE FLOOR ARE DIRTY AS HELL AND IM NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!
Swede: My expertise in this area is extensive. The essential difference between a "battleship" and an "aircraft carrier" is that an aircraft carrier requires five direct hits to sink, but it takes only four direct hits to sink a battleship.
So now there is a difference between "gutsy" (which he was) and "mental toughness" (which he lacked)? I don't see much of a difference in the two, so I'm not sure we can debate this much further.
I doubt many dissatisfied workers will go consult coworkers and friends, then confront their their immediate supervisor, department head, location manager, and company president before saying "hell with it" and simply leaving a job they find intolerable. I would likely go several levels up, but probably would not have as a 23-24 year old. I certainly don't expect everyone to do it, or be considered mentally soft or weak, whatever. Of course, most would do that only if it was a job they were desperate to stay in, which Martin may not have been.
According to reports, he did "complain to the team." He did not just snap when eating spaghetti. The only report I saw was that for some time no one would eat with him. On the day in question he was openly invited to a table. As soon as he sat down, everyone else at the table got up and left, again leaving him alone. Clearly an orchestrated event if it happened that way. Perhaps funny if random, but not funny when done to someone already treated as an outcast.
I'm not sure that Martin wants anything, or intended to charge anything. After all, he simply left and said nothing publicly. He didn't involve the press or make demands of the team that we know of. It was only the prying of the press that brought out reports from team sources about how he had been treated. His side said nothing until he needed to defend himself in the media.
The HR side of a football team, as far as the player is concerned, is the GM who is likely to dump you if you make his life difficult.
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Sometimes people don`t even realize the TRUTH.
Miami`s QB Ryan Tannihill on NFL.Com late this afternoon in a press conference...thought that Rich Incognito was the BEST teammate and that he and Johnathan Martin were like brothers or best Buds. That this whole story is a real shock .... a surprize to him.
The plot thickens.
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Has Martin started an epidemic?
John Moffit walked away from Denver during their bye:
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/stor...6pLid%3D402275:
Just doesn't want to play anymore, not even for the possibility of a Super Bowl.
I suspect the same locker room culture that was violated by Martin prevents you from hearing from his teammates about his difficulties with them.
There have been no shortage of opponents who think he is unprincipled. Not to mention two teams (probably three soon) cutting ties with him because of problems he causes or gets mixed up in.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
This happened at about the same time that the Martin story was breaking. It got a little play in local media but got totally overwhelmed by the other.
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So who was misunderstood more, Martin or Incognito? Tannehill was not the only Miami player to back this story.
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Ryan Tannehill: "If you asked Jonathan Martin who his best friend is on this team two weeks ago, he'd say Richie Incognito."
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Tannehill has strong words about the relationship between Incognito and Martin, noting Incognito was always first to be at Martin's side.
Do people see only what they want to see?
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"Issue is not with Jonathan Martin, issue is with the other person," David Shaw on #CFB247podcast. http://on.nfl.com/1dLyEnp
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
I just heard on the radio that Martin played "the tape" to teammates and they laughed at him. Who knows if that is true or not but it would put a damper on who Martin could talk to.
Apparently the issue in the dining room was that a bunch of players invited Martin to sit with them to eat. When he sat down all of the other players got up and walked away.
But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.
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Is this something that was said to try to intimidate someone? Or is this something you would only say to a close friend or family member understanding it would not be taken literally? I'm really starting to wonder."Hey, wassup, you half (expletive) piece of (expletive). I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. I'll (expletive) in your (expletive) mouth. I'm gonna slap your (expletive) mouth, I'm gonna slap your real mother across the face (laughter). (Expletive) you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."
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you know joe, we need to hear the tape, because context and tone of voice make the whole difference here
i could easily see myself saying something similar to one of my friends
i guess there is a chance incognito thought he was playing all in good fun and didn't know martin wasn't taking it that way
In my opinion, Incognito will be playing for the Dolphins once this is completely investigated. Martin, not so much. Dolphin players are starting to speak up in Incognito's defense. http://nfl.si.com/2013/11/06/jonatha...2_a1&eref=sihp
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Hartline is outraged because he says Martin was passing the voicemail around earlier in the year and laughing about it.
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Forget your perfect offering
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That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9937464
Evil Incognito.
Swede: My expertise in this area is extensive. The essential difference between a "battleship" and an "aircraft carrier" is that an aircraft carrier requires five direct hits to sink, but it takes only four direct hits to sink a battleship.
After reading the quotes from the ESPN and SI links in the last posts (and their linked stories), I don't feel at like I have any handle to comment anymore. Right now, I want to just throw up my hands. Maybe all the Dolphins loved Ritchie; maybe some of his ex-teammates didn't. Maybe Icognito and Martin were best buds; maybe they were a Stockholm relationship. It's amazing how the reporters can find an on-record source/analyst who will agree wholeheartedly with whatever narrative wind is blowing. I feel like I'm watching an 80's sitcom with the canned audience that can react appropriately at the press of a button. Or maybe a Greek chorus, for the more classical types.
I don't think it was as simple as Martin just walking away from a bad situation. He walked away from the lockerroom and checked into a hospital. Whatever was eating him up was something that he had held in for a while, and he had no clue how to do something about it. And while he's recovering, Incognito's voicemails are leaked to the media by "representatives," who at this point, would likely be his agent or parents.
I'm really beyond any clue as to deciding what should be right or normal in the NFL, and I'm not really trusting what anyone said. I want to believe that Incognito was a boorish boob, loved by his teammates as a "salt-of-the-earth" type; that Martin didn't know how to tell anyone on the team; that Philbin would have dropped everything to help him if he asked; that Gooddell is interested in everyone's long-term wellbeing more than PR appeasement; and that the reactions of all the ex-players in the studio sets are more specific and genuine than the prerecorded comments on the halftime shows of my NFL video game. But I'm pretty sure at least one of those may not be as accurate as my wishful thinking.
I believe in God, family, Baylor University, and the Green Bay Packers.
I hope Martin gets the help to put his brain back together so he is healthy and adjusted. I doubt he plays football again.
Swede: My expertise in this area is extensive. The essential difference between a "battleship" and an "aircraft carrier" is that an aircraft carrier requires five direct hits to sink, but it takes only four direct hits to sink a battleship.
Good post with much thought and compassion in it.
Congratulations.
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+1
Well said NB.
What we have here is a failure, to communicate.
Sources: Ireland suggested that Martin confront Incognito physically
Jeff Ireland, in a conversation with Martin's agent proposed that Martin confront Incognito, this would be prior to his departure last month. Punch him, is what the advice was.
So, was Incognito clueless enough to think Martin saw him as a friend? Was Martin friendless enough that prominent teammates could mistake the relationship for a friendship?
You know all the talk and work Rodgers puts into getting to know the players so he can effectively lead and communicate with them? He should get a raise.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
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