I know it's years past, but I still take issue with their characterization of Justin Harrell.Originally Posted by pbmax
I know it's years past, but I still take issue with their characterization of Justin Harrell.
No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.
Safety is probably the single hardest position to evaluate, excepting possibly quarterback.
At this point Ted should just draft CBs (he can do that in his sleep) and hope for the best.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
I wonder how antsy Ted was waiting to see if Collins would be there with that second pick. He didn't trade up, I don't think.
Or am I just musing about this with the benefit of hindsight? Did Ted see him as another promising guy with no guarantees and enough downside to make it a crapshoot?
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Collins was projected as a Round 3 or 4 pick. Lot's of folks thought he was a reach at the time at 51.
There was some question about whether he would be a CB or Safety. I remember the draft position list I was using had him listed at a different position than what he was announced as when drafted. CB/S or S/CB, I don't remember which.
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Absolutely, most fans thought it was a reach because he was projected to go a round or two later by the "experts". I studied Collins and actually liked the pick. However, I didn't like the first round pick. Some Tedford QB out of Cal.
"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
A round or two? Kiper had him ranked in the 60's for CBs. My magazines - Lindy's and Street & Smith - one didn't list him and the other had him noted at the end as a possible FA pickup along with 20 other names.Absolutely, most fans thought it was a reach because he was projected to go a round or two later by the "experts". I studied Collins and actually liked the pick. However, I didn't like the first round pick. Some Tedford QB out of Cal.
To the best of my memory, at the time, most fans thought he would go undrafted.
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The rankings that came out early barely had him listed, guys like Gosselin at the Dallas Morning News had him as a late riser going in the top 50. He and McGinn were the best. Too bad DMN took him of draft coverage.
"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
The board thought Thompson was out of his mind. Same thing with Jennings and Jordy.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Shit not me, I loved the Jennings pick at the time while everyone else was freaking out we didn't take that Chad Jackson.
I was one of those guys, Brandon. Doh!
But I did trust TT when I found out that he'd traded out of the first round to take some white farm boy receiver from Kansas. I shuddered, thinking of whiny Billy Schroeder, but I kept the faith.
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My gut tells me that TT drafts Odell Beckham in the first round. He reminds me of Greg Jennings.
"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
More likely than my Manziel prediction from 3 weeks ago when he was the spawn of Satan and dropping.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
If we draft a WR with our 1st pick I hope its Kelvin Benjamin.
No offense, but fuck this. The guy is athletic and big, but he can't judge a ball in the air nor catch. :/
After watching that video Zool just posted I disagree, he seems like he can locate the ball just fine. I agree he drops some easy passes but I like how after every drop he came back with a big play. I could be wrong but with his combination of size, strength and speed, I'm willing to gamble he'll be a stud on the right team.
TT won't like 10th ranked WR Kelvin Benjamin (6' - 5" and 240 lbs) as a prospective pick at #21. I predict that he's going to see 4-5 WR's come off the board ahead of him.
[/B]TT has many better options as a BPA on "D" and "WR".
WR prospect Kelvin Benjamin has these negative criticisms;
1. He doesn't run good routes yet. He'll take time to develop for useful gain in the NFL On top of this he runs a 4.61 40 yard dash and he's not strong with 13 rep's - bench.
See talk about a conversion to TE. Looking at film. Will he be a decent blocker? I see him as a project and our 1st Rd. pick needs to produce in 2014.
2. He catches the ball with his body.
3. He blows pass's and is especially weak on low throws (see his height)
4. He needs to get stronger. Bench = 13 reps.
5. Will he be a WR/TE tweener !? Ted Thompson won't consider a tweener in Rd.
It's my view that Kelvin Benjamin won't be TT's first round pick (at #21) in the 2014 draft.
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** Better WR Options ** @ Pick #21:
A.) ** WR O'Dell Beckham Jr., LSU ... ( 5 '-11 " and 198 lbs ....size !? ) and a 4.43 40 yard dash.
B.) ** A special athlete: Brandin Cooks, Oregon State (Junior) ... ( 5 '-10 " and 189 lbs = size issue) and a very fast 4.33 40 yard dash and 16 Reps Bench; 36" Vert. and 10' - 0" broad. 6.81 shuttle and 6.76 shuttle.
Others: '
C.) Marqise Lee, S. CAL ... ( 6 '- 0 " and 192 lbs. ) ....a 4.52 40 Yards but better height and a 38 inch Vert. . . . . a projected 2nd Rd. pick.
D.) Allen Robinson, Penn State ... SIZE @ 6'-3' and 220 lbs ! ... 4.60 40 yard dash and a Verticle of 39 inches and a 10 ' - 7 " Broad. . . . . . a projected 2nd Rd. pick.
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The knock on Collins was that he simply wasn't very bright, and he really wasn't. How he ended up though, erases all of the bonehead plays he made, or didn't make while in the midst of growing pains.
It took him a few seasons, but once he had enough reps and enough experience, his speed, athleticism, and physicality made him special.
It's convenient to forget the growing pains though... first few years, Collins was a mess out there.
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Yeah, I thought Collins took bad angles at times, especially early. By his 3rd season he was making more plays than mistakes and you could tell he was gonna turn out good.
This leads me to think that no matter who they draft at S -- and TT will draft at least one safety -- it's probably gonna take them some time to figure things out. All the "he's a bust" people need to chill and be patient. Rookies rarely start and succeed in the NFL.
I've been wondering if Beckham isn't TT's pick. I've heard comparisons to Jennings, he runs good routes and has good speed, and he would add juice to the return game while he pushes Miles White for the #4 spot and learns the offense. So the pick does make a lot of sense. Haven't seen Benjamin but I'm wary of guys who are one-season wonders, and he had 3 catches or less in half of his games last year. IMO the potential might be there but not the production.
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