The Inside Story of How the NFL's Plan for Its 1st Openly Gay Player Fell Apart

[woodbuck27]

Thanks Bobble, I was letting it go for as long as possible.

Thank You mad.

PACKERS !

[HowardRoark]

Hold it......Cobb is gay too?

[SkinBasket]

Hold it......Cobb is gay too?

Hard to tell if you've tried following the "Out the Gays" crowd. According to Woody, you're not gay unless you're currently having sex with another man and if you challenge him to define his position, he'll threaten to beat you up. According to pb, having sexual relations with another man does not hake you a homosexual, it's just one aspect of homosexuality, which is just like sexuality, but with a homo, but that does not define homosexuality, which is at once of grave importance to tell everyone about and of the highest priority to normalize. To be fair, his position is backed by thinking rather than violence. And according to ziggy, everyone who doesn't believe gays should be paraded in front of the media to satisfy an agenda and then rewarded with whatever they want because they are people too, should shut the fuck up in the name of tolerance. I may have detected some thinly veiled threats in her posts.

[SkinBasket]

You may feel that some slight is visited on the player by not being able to talk openly about sexual activity because of the narrow terms you use to define homosexual.

Homosexual is a rather narrowly defined term because it describes a specific sexual behavior. Again, your telling me that being a homosexual does not define the entirety of the person, which I wholly agree with, while at the same time demanding they be recognized solely for that aspect of their personage. There are other aspects to people's lives that are found in relatively the same small proportion of the population that are not generally accepted, yet this is the one that is singled out as being of paramount importance. I'm still left wondering why, other than the promotional value a queer offers as a partner to an NFL player, which you seem rather convinced of.

[mraynrand]

Homosexuality is defined by attraction not an activity. I think the public can handle that.

There's an enormous difference between attraction and action. It is the action that makes all the difference, just as it is with fornication and adultery. People can have the attraction and the lust to engage in these activities, but until they do, there is nothing publicly to judge.

And even if you simply stipulate attraction, the numbers still drive the fundamental difference: homosexual attraction is the rare exception just as a sexless man/woman relationship is the exception/rarity.

[mraynrand]

Hold it......Cobb is gay too?

This has not been confirmed. Please wait until he's on the Jumbotron with his gay partner talking about prostate exams.

[mraynrand]

Because no one talks about any sexual activities in the context of an NFL season. Not that I can remember.

What about Travis Henry?

Plus, people are always saying the Packers are getting fucked by the refs. What planet are you living on?

[mraynrand]

Why aren't rubber large intestines passed out to kids under 12 at the stadiums?

They might think they are something else. Alert Randall Cobb!

[HowardRoark]

Hard to tell if you've tried following the "Out the Gays" crowd. According to Woody, you're not gay unless you're currently having sex with another man and if you challenge him to define his position, he'll threaten to beat you up. According to pb, having sexual relations with another man does not hake you a homosexual, it's just one aspect of homosexuality, which is just like sexuality, but with a homo, but that does not define homosexuality, which is at once of grave importance to tell everyone about and of the highest priority to normalize. To be fair, his position is backed by thinking rather than violence. And according to ziggy, everyone who doesn't believe gays should be paraded in front of the media to satisfy an agenda and then rewarded with whatever they want because they are people too, should shut the fuck up in the name of tolerance. I may have detected some thinly veiled threats in her posts.

That ain’t the only thing I think is thinly veiled with ziggy.

It’s hard to follow all these threads these days with Woody becoming the Bridget Anne Kelley of Packerrats…..but I always thought the main thing that is important is two people who “love” each other is what is paramount in all of these matters. Gay marriage, etc.

Over the past few months I have realized that my identity is asexual. I have met other people who are asexual as well and we love each other deeply. What we have found really quite hateful is the lack of respect and rights that we have in today’s White-Male America. Why can’t my asexual lovers have the same rights as a typical Christian breeder couple?

[mraynrand]

Skin, I am guessing that NFL locker rooms are not great environments for gay acceptance. That's the barrier. Although in today's environment, I could see the fear of exposure being worse than the actual environment after coming out. As far as the public, sure there would be people dismayed to see Randall with his partner on the jumbotron begging you to self examine your testicles and have a doctor probe your prostate gland, but even the less tolerant would probably just say "Oh, that's nice that Randy has a butt buddy." Mostly, fans in the stadium and at home would not care, but jersey sales might dip a bit.

[mraynrand]

Over the past few months I have realized that my identity is asexual. I have met other people who are asexual as well and we love each other deeply. What we have found really quite hateful is the lack of respect and rights that we have in today’s White-Male America. Why can’t my asexual lovers have the same rights as a typical Christian breeder couple?

Sounds like you need a Political Action Committee and some lobbyists. And your own colored ribbon.

[SkinBasket]

Skin, I am guessing that NFL locker rooms are not great environments for gay acceptance. That's the barrier.

That's the most obvious one I was guessing as well, but am curious as to what pb feels they are, since he feels this is a societal issue rather than an NFL specific issue. I don't think he's interested in telling me though. Or he got tired of all the probing. Probing. Proooooooooooooobing. Pro. Bing? Probing.

[SkinBasket]

Randall Cobb says get your prostate examined. First, start with a simple visual check for swelling or distention in the general area.

Looks good!

Next, a manual digital exam is in order.

Hmmmmm.... Mmmmmmm.... Yeah.... Okay, wait..... A little deeper. Just hang in there partner. This is for your own good. Hoooah! All clear!

Your first bowel movement after the exam may be difficult, painful, for unusually large due to impaction.

Plop.

Butt don't let the stigma of having another man check your prostate keep you in the shadows of fear.

Have your prostate checked, preferably by your gay partner, since gay advocates seem to think you'd be good at that for some reason.

[MJZiggy]

But you're constructing a false argument (cherry picking, innumeracy). I already pointed out what the norm is. So of course there are exceptions to the male-female couples, where sex and reproduction aren't part of the equation, just as there are the rare male-male and female-female couples where sex is involved. But because of basic biology and cultural norms that have existed from the dawn of time and history, everyone understands what the norm is, so that if you want to make an issue of same sex couples being different from 'just friends' you have to specify that sexual activity is taking place. So it is about the sex, for same sex relationships, because if there is no sex, there is no controversy, and there is nothing to talk about.

Just because it's not "the norm" doesn't mean you have to say anything. This isn't about the norm, or sexual behavior. I don't need to know if a husband's viagra is working, or if a player is getting laid. It's none of my business and none of yours either. But if a player is out and has a boyfriend or husband, which appears from the initial discussion could very well be the case, then you're working very hard to stigmatize that relationship (which again, is none of your business). And if that stigma and fear were to disappear, it would not be an issue. It is not my problem. I think people can marry whichever consenting adult they like. It appears to be your problem which I don't understand because again, it's none of your business. If a player is gay and wants to talk about his loved one, that should still be his business. The problem with your problem is that it's causing heartache and a trampling of rights for a whole class of people. You can be with the one you're attracted to and in love with. They should have that same right.

[MJZiggy]

Well, yes, unless they are married.

Nice...

[woodbuck27]

Hard to tell if you've tried following the "Out the Gays" crowd. According to Woody, you're not gay unless you're currently having sex with another man and if you challenge him to define his position, he'll threaten to beat you up. According to pb, having sexual relations with another man does not hake you a homosexual, it's just one aspect of homosexuality, which is just like sexuality, but with a homo, but that does not define homosexuality, which is at once of grave importance to tell everyone about and of the highest priority to normalize. To be fair, his position is backed by thinking rather than violence. And according to ziggy, everyone who doesn't believe gays should be paraded in front of the media to satisfy an agenda and then rewarded with whatever they want because they are people too, should shut the fuck up in the name of tolerance. I may have detected some thinly veiled threats in her posts.

jheesssh Skinbasket I'm not into beating anyone up. Merely defending myself if need be. I'm far far removed from any cowardice and you attacked my Irish.

Damn as to beating you up!? What !? Beat you up naaaaww ! I can't even tug on your nose.

[Kiwon]

Randall Cobb says get your prostate examined. First, start with a simple visual check for swelling or distention in the general area.



Next, a manual digital exam is in order.



Your first bowel movement after the exam may be difficult, painful, for unusually large due to impaction.



Butt don't let the stigma of having another man check your prostate keep you in the shadows of fear.

Ah......an early frontrunner for post-of-the year! Hilarious!

Skin should write PSAs for the guberment.

[woodbuck27]

My main issue with a digital prostrate exam has to do with my female Doc who seems to grind her finger up there for such a time as her panting seems too obvious. The weakness I feel when she fails to yank up my pants for me.

[Kiwon]

My main issue with a digital prostrate exam has to do with my female Doc who seems to grind her finger up there for such a time as her panting seems too obvious. The weakness I feel when she fails to yank up my pants for me.

Ha! TMI, Woody!

[MJZiggy]

That ain’t the only thing I think is thinly veiled with ziggy.

Oh do tell...