The Inside Story of How the NFL's Plan for Its 1st Openly Gay Player Fell Apart

[mraynrand]

The public acknowledgment is not simply about behavior. Its an effort to lead an open and honest life..

Yes, an open and honest life about behavior. Otherwise there is nothing to be 'open and honest' about. No one would care.

[pbmax]

Yes, an open and honest life about behavior. Otherwise there is nothing to be 'open and honest' about. No one would care.

I doubt no one would care, but the salaciousness the topic lends itself to no doubt helps with the fascination.

[woodbuck27]

the sexual behavior is the issue. Otherwise you're just talking about close friends

** Do you believe it's right in any way, shape, manner or form that a persons sexual choice or positive stance in a same sex marriage or equivalent, should suffer:

a) Any regret in the form of condemnation by the powers to be?

b) A loss of any freedom to viably secure work in his chosen field?

** Do you believe that any man should be applauded for condemning 'in any manner', a same sex relationship; based on his interpretations of whatever doctrine (s) he deems as his compass for his personal moral manner of living?

[mraynrand]

The NFL may be a tough nut to crack:

As [my teammates and I] sat down in our chairs, Mike Priefer, in one of the meanest voices I can ever recall hearing, said: ‘We should round up all the gays, send them to an island, and then nuke it until it glows.’ The room grew intensely quiet, and none of the players said a word for the rest of the meeting.

Former Vikings punter says he lost job due to stance on gay marriage
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/01/chri...-mike-priefer/

Perhaps part excuse-making, but will be interesting to see if Kluwe ever punts again. I guess Tampa Bay won't be calling.

[pbmax]

The NFL may be a tough nut to crack:




Former Vikings punter says he lost job due to stance on gay marriage
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/01/chri...-mike-priefer/

Perhaps part excuse-making, but will be interesting to see if Kluwe ever punts again. I guess Tampa Bay won't be calling.

I had a hard time buying that Priefer had that kind of pull, until I read in his article that the Pioneer Press said he was the only in house candidate with a chance.

Then on Twitter I discovered he interviewed with the Bears for the HC job last year. Harbaugh, Cowher and whatshisface have really improved the visibility of the ST Coordinator.

[woodbuck27]

I had a hard time buying that Priefer had that kind of pull, until I read in his article that the Pioneer Press said he was the only in house candidate with a chance.

Then on Twitter I discovered he interviewed with the Bears for the HC job last year. Harbaugh, Cowher and whatshisface have really improved the visibility of the ST Coordinator.

"Harbaugh, Cowher and ** whatshisface ** have really improved the visibility of the ST Coordinator." pbmax

** This fella? **

Brian Schneider - Special Teams Coach - Seattle Seahawks

[pbmax]

"Harbaugh, Cowher and ** whatshisface ** have really improved the visibility of the ST Coordinator." pbmax

** This fella? **

Brian Schneider - Special Teams Coach - Seattle Seahawks

Nope, I was thinking of Belichick. He started as a ST coach.

[woodbuck27]

Nope, I was thinking of Belichick. He started as a ST coach.

Yes throughout the late 1970's and until 1984 Bill Belichick worked as a ST's Coach amongst other duties in the Detroit Lions, Denver Broncos and NY GIANTS Organizations; until he became DC with the GIANTS 1985-90, and from there Please see the LINK below for more on this remarkable Head Coach:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Be...hing_positions

[woodbuck27]

The NFL may be a tough nut to crack:




Former Vikings punter says he lost job due to stance on gay marriage
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/01/chri...-mike-priefer/

Perhaps part excuse-making, but will be interesting to see if Kluwe ever punts again. I guess Tampa Bay won't be calling.

Why won't Tampa Bay be calling Chris Kluwe's agent mraynrand?

[mraynrand]

Why won't Tampa Bay be calling Chris Kluwe's agent mraynrand?

Frasier is Lovie's D-coor

[woodbuck27]

Frasier is Lovie's D-coor

WOW!

I havn't been doing any checks on things NFL since this AM.

Thanks.

[hoosier]

The NFL may be a tough nut to crack:




Former Vikings punter says he lost job due to stance on gay marriage
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/01/chri...-mike-priefer/

Perhaps part excuse-making, but will be interesting to see if Kluwe ever punts again. I guess Tampa Bay won't be calling.

Unless Kluwe has Ryan Braun syndrome it is hard to imagine him inventing such a specific narrative and attributing to a specific person, in front of alleged witnesses no less, if it didn't really happen. Could this be the vendetta of a former player against a coach? Sure, but given the detailed recollection it seems unlikely.

[mraynrand]

Unless Kluwe has Ryan Braun syndrome it is hard to imagine him inventing such a specific narrative and attributing to a specific person, in front of alleged witnesses no less, if it didn't really happen. Could this be the vendetta of a former player against a coach? Sure, but given the detailed recollection it seems unlikely.

I'm not surprised that you aren't more skeptical, given the subject matter, but I would like to see some corroboration, since in my experience, the human species seems especially excellent at fabricating events favorable to their individual or group cause(s) out of whole cloth.

[woodbuck27]

Unless Kluwe has Ryan Braun syndrome it is hard to imagine him inventing such a specific narrative and attributing to a specific person, in front of alleged witnesses no less, if it didn't really happen. Could this be the vendetta of a former player against a coach? Sure, but given the detailed recollection it seems unlikely.

I'm going to tie this other source to your LINK hoosire:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...we-allegations


Eye On Football

Vikings to conduct independent review of Chris Kluwe allegations

By John Breech | CBSSports.com ... January 3, 2014 4:01 pm ET

Comment woodbuck27:

Talk about a rush to put out a fire. Such a big deal when likely in the end 'spit' would have done just fine.

[mraynrand]

Vikings to conduct independent review of Chris Kluwe allegations

That's a good idea; absolutely should include an outside source to be objective and credible

[gbgary]

as one commenter (jrz) on the article said:

Nonsense, he was released because he was due 1.45 million, whereas a rookie could be had for 450 thousand. Plus, they got a guy who could credibly handle kickoff duty if Walsh was injured (Kluwe's never hit a touchback when he's had to fill in). Kluwe can claim martyrdom all he wants, he was released because the Vikings found a cheaper, as-good-and-potentially-better replacement.

[pbmax]

as one commenter (jrz) on the article said:

Nonsense, he was released because he was due 1.45 million, whereas a rookie could be had for 450 thousand. Plus, they got a guy who could credibly handle kickoff duty if Walsh was injured (Kluwe's never hit a touchback when he's had to fill in). Kluwe can claim martyrdom all he wants, he was released because the Vikings found a cheaper, as-good-and-potentially-better replacement.

There are a ton of reasons he could have been released. But that doesn't change his coach's reaction.

Also, given the Vikings year, they may have wanted to spend that 5th round pick elsewhere. Are they cash strapped?

[mraynrand]

There are a ton of reasons he could have been released. But that doesn't change his coach's reaction.

UNBALANCED!!

(seriously though, you wonder at the amount of embellishment)

[pbmax]

UNBALANCED!!

(seriously though, you wonder at the amount of embellishment)

Yes, corroboration would be nice.

[MJZiggy]

Yes, corroboration would be nice.

Or a statement from anyone else. However the Deadspin piece is pretty detailed. Interesting timing on the topic. And as you all have moved forward in this discussion while I was busy earning a living...My statement was in response to another statement. What they needed to do to get to the point that a current player could come out without a single wave being made about it is what I was referring to...context is key. Also, I'm not sure anyone here is saying that any needs to or should be forced to come out. What folks are saying is that if they choose to, it shouldn't be to the detriment of their careers. In order for that to happen, someone somewhere would have to make the first step and that is why it is a topic of conversation. Gay players cannot live their lives the same as straight ones as Max mentioned. You don't see the cameras cut to a player's BF in the stands cheering him on. Because no player can admit to having a boyfriend without worrying about losing millions of dollars. If you're sick of hearing about it and want the media to shut up about it already, then make sure that gay marriage is legal everywhere and it instantly becomes a non-issue because there would be nothing left to say. Simple solution. That Chris Kluwe could make a credible case that he was fired for just talking about gay rights without actually even BEING gay tells you that the league is not as enlightened as you like to think it is. It's not about acceptance, but equal treatment under the law.