After watching Sean McVay get outcoached by Belichek, it reminded me that McCarthy, for all his faults, usually came up with some pretty good game plans against New England.
After watching Sean McVay get outcoached by Belichek, it reminded me that McCarthy, for all his faults, usually came up with some pretty good game plans against New England.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
He coached better scared. In almost all cases.Originally Posted by Fritz
The one real tragedy was the Seattle playoff fiasco. If he was slightly more confident, that game ends differently.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
I have to agree here completely. Just a little more blood flow to the scrotum from MM and the Packers would've been in two Super Bowls in that era, and the Wolf vs. Thompson and Holmgren vs. McCarthy debates could have raged on.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
Interesting that Jerel Worthy and Jayrone Elliot are still around and can't get a gig on an NFL roster somewhere.
I guess this really is the end of the road for most of these players.
I kinda enjoyed the AFLN or whatever it was called on CBS. Reasonable football product. Mike Martz still not a believer in protecting his QB.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
https://twitter.com/aafhotshots/stat...94403313418240
Second Tweet in that thread is a highlight of a TD throw. Isn't Pressley a former Packer?
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
https://totalpackers.com/2016/09/jhu...-never-happen/ I'm not sure why he didn't really get a real chance other than it was early in the season and they likely needed a roster spot. If he was all that, though, you'd think he would have established himself with another team with three more seasons in the books since then.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan
As I scanned the AAF rosters and coaches, I came across another blast from the past: Tim Lewis - head coach of Memphis. I had to check if he was really the guy, not just a similar name. He is. For those who don't remember, Tim Lewis was probably on the way to becoming the greatest Packer Corner in my lifetime, and I go back to Herb Adderly and before. He played about two years, injured his neck, and never played again. He was truly the shutdown Corner at the pro level that one poster in here dreams he was in high school hahahahaha.
What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?
Yup, was just starting to be mentioned as being a great one in the making when his career ended abruptly.
Not sure what happened to him as a coach. He ascended the ranks in the NFL, and spent three years as DC in Pittsburgh and another three in NY. Some thought he was a potential HC, then his career went backwards and he was out of the league a few years ago.
Had he stayed healthy, and had Eddie Lee Ivery not blown out his knee back in the day, that Packer era might have been so much less dismal.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
...and had Bruce Clark signed with GB instead of going to Canada, the Packers might never have had Lewis. He was drafted with the pick GB got from New Orleans for their rights to Clark.
Bruce Clark. Did he even do anything in Canada or in the NFL?
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
Played 10 years, 2 in Canada and 8 in the NFL.. All-star in Canada and had a pro-bowl season with the Saints. Ended up being a good, solid player.
Funny how Clark snubbed the Packers and then ended up with the early 80's Saints under Bum Phillips. Those were some average to below average teams, but hey, he was in New Orleans! When Jim Mora got there, they had two good years in 87 (strike year) and 88 and then he had one more very average year under Marty ball in KC and then done. Those early 80's Packers teams could have totally used a guy like Bruce Clark.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan
FIFY. The story I read on Packerrats was that one or two Packer scouts were really, really pushing for this skinny QB from Notre Dame, but the story goes that Bart Starr wanted to demonstrate that he was in charge and could spot talent, so he went with Rich Campbell int he first round.
No idea if there's any truth to this, except that we know the Packers did not draft Joe Montana. Of course, no one did until the third round. Sometimes I think it would have been more fun to be a scout in those days, because it seems that there was more opportunity to uncover a gem, or see things on tape that others didn't see. Those days, you might be the only scout watching film from the Colorado School of Mines or going to Antelope Hole, Wyoming, to watch some offensive tackle your brother's friend's dad saw playing for the Wyoming Wranglers. Nowadays, there isn't a twelve-year-old Potential NFL Quarterback in the land whom the NFL doesn't already know about.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
Red Cochran (legendary GB coach and scout) assumed he had Bart sold on drafting Montana. When Bart picked Charles Johnson, Red screamed obscenities, fired his clipboard across the room and stomped out of the draft room. The next year, Red and all the scouts had Bart sold on drafting Ronnie Lott. They flew Lott out to GB, steak dinner at Oneida Country Club, the whole bit. Lott committed to the Pack. On draft day, Bart freaked out and made Rich Campbell #1. Bart explained that Hawg Hanner talked him into picking Campbell.
it was later claimed that Hawg talked Starr into drafting Charles Johnson over Joe Cool.
So maybe Hawg fucked up the 80's for us.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Hanner
Coaching career
Following his playing career, Hanner spent sixteen seasons as an assistant coach for the Packers. From 1965 through 1970, he was the defensive line coach. When Dan Devine took over as head coach in 1971, he was promoted to the defensive coordinator, a position he served in until 1974. Bart Starr became the team's head coach in 1975 and Hanner remained as the assistant head coach and defensive coordinator. He was released after the 1979 season (and then worked for the rival Chicago Bears), but returned as the team's quality control assistant in 1982. He transferred into a scout role until he retired in 1996.
Hanner was inducted into both the Green Bay Packers Hall of Fame and the Arkansas Sports Hall of Fame.
First, he may have become a Bears' plant after 1979.
Second, that is a whale of a career but he seems to be moving into a downward trajectory after being let go as DC in '79. However a defensive minded guy is someone I could see (as a coach or as a scout) trying to get a player for the defense (Johnson). If he recommended Campbell, who knows what the motivation was.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
By that timeline, it doesn't look like Hawg was with the club in any capacity when those decisions/picks were made.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Hanner
Coaching career
Following his playing career, Hanner spent sixteen seasons as an assistant coach for the Packers. From 1965 through 1970, he was the defensive line coach. When Dan Devine took over as head coach in 1971, he was promoted to the defensive coordinator, a position he served in until 1974. Bart Starr became the team's head coach in 1975 and Hanner remained as the assistant head coach and defensive coordinator. He was released after the 1979 season (and then worked for the rival Chicago Bears), but returned as the team's quality control assistant in 1982. He transferred into a scout role until he retired in 1996.
Hanner was inducted into both the Green Bay Packers Hall of Fame and the Arkansas Sports Hall of Fame.
First, he may have become a Bears' plant after 1979.
Second, that is a whale of a career but he seems to be moving into a downward trajectory after being let go as DC in '79. However a defensive minded guy is someone I could see (as a coach or as a scout) trying to get a player for the defense (Johnson). If he recommended Campbell, who knows what the motivation was.
I totally forgot Hawg worked with the Bears. I wonder how he got on with Buddy and that crew!
Yep. If Hawg was out of the picture from 1979 to 1982, he would have missed the 1981 draft when Rich Campbell was chosen as Green Bay's first pick (oy!). In the first two rounds, they could have had Ronnie Lott, Mike Singletary or Howie Long. Double oy! #thanksbart
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Maybe Hawg called his old friend Bart and said "You know, you guys should really consider drafting tnat Campbell kid".
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