Ha.
Not bad, Red.
Ha.
Not bad, Red.
I'm from the Italian part of town. As the saying goes, "a man fights with his hands, a woman fights with her mouth. When a woman fights like a man, she gets hit like a man." Not sayin, just sayin.
Reviving this thread because the whole Rice thing needs its own area.
Things may get interesting for the NFL. Someone is calling them liars when they say they didn't have the Rice footage until TMZ released it.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ve-months-ago/
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The NFL is now checking to see if the AP story about receiving the video is correct. Priceless.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
I think Goodell is screwed.Originally Posted by pbmax
from the other thread:
In partial answer to Rastak's questions earlier about whether the Casino could turn over the tape to the NFL: http://deadspin.com/goodell-was-wron...ium=socialflow
We did not ask the Atlantic City casino directly for the video. Again, our understanding of New Jersey law is that the casino is prohibited from turning over material to a third party during a law enforcement proceeding, and that doing so would have subjected individuals to prosecution for interference with a criminal investigation.
Today, TMZ inquired about just that.
Paul Loriquet, the Director of Communications for the New Jersey Attorney General, tells TMZ bluntly, "No, it's not illegal."
To be clear ... our question was very specific: "Is it illegal for the casino to show or provide this material to a private entity in an ongoing investigation." His answer, "No, it's not illegal."
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
I was referencing the cops turning over evidence to an employer, not the casino. Think about it, you get arrested and your employer orders up all the evidence from the cops with a phone call....and they actually send it to a private employer, really? Now if your employer goes and asks the casino, kind of a different thing.
In any event, this looks bad for the NFL and the police. Can I request evidence when I want? Who can ring up the cops and ask if they would kindly forward the evidence of a criminal investigation?
I'm not sure what the NFL's angle was here. Ole Roger is a law and order guy, why would he ignore it? If underlings hid it, why?
This is getting more interesting by the minute. The NFL's actions make no plausible sense.
PB, you got a theory?
Via Deadspin a quote from the AP story:
That is pretty dead to rights. However, there is even more terrible news on the horizon. If the NFL HAD the tape, then either someone caught wind that they weren't supposed to have it (and buried it, never mentioned again) OR the NFL took steps to make sure it never got out.A law enforcement official says he sent a video of Ray Rice punching his then-fiancee to an NFL executive three months ago, while league officers have insisted they didn't see the violent images until this week.
The person played The Associated Press a 12-second voicemail from an NFL office number on April 9 confirming the video arrived. A female voice expresses thanks and says: "You're right. It's terrible."
http://thebiglead.com/2014/09/10/esp...-it-for-years/
Lester Munson claims the NFL Security guys have been cleaning up this stuff for years, leading me to wonder of one of them is called "The Wolf".
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Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
If I'm curt with you it's because time is a factor. I think fast, I talk fast and I need you guys to act fast if you wanna get out of this. So, pretty please... with sugar on top. Clean the fucking car.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.
"The Weasel" or "The Garbage Man" works too.
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Original AP story:
The Associated Press @AP · 1h
CORRECTION: Source says he sent video of Rice punching fiancee to NFL 5 months ago (CORRECTS number of months): http://apne.ws/1umzDE2
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Maybe Goodell destroyed the tape? It wouldn't be the first time he did that.
NFL has announced that Robert Mueller, former FBI Director, will be conducting an investigation. I think this probably means Goodell really hadn't seen the video. He wouldn't be hiring an FBI Director if he had. Still, Goodell isn't going to come out of this looking very good. I think he will survive though.
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
I agree with all but your last sentence.
How anyone in this day and age thinks they can cover something up is beyond me. How the prosecutor had the video and didnt charge Rice is also beyond me.
He explained that. He said guidelines were either probation or diversionary program and he felt the program made more sense. Our justice system needs a slight overhaul.
I'm not sure this is a failure of the justice system. Just throwing people in jail isn't much of a solution for something like this, and the jails are full. It's not like more public shaming was needed. I'd say a rehabilitation program probably makes sense, especially if it is first offense.
The NFL obviously screwed up.
From:
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion...ray_rice_video
"The law enforcement official told the AP on condition of anonymity he had no further communication with any NFL employee and can’t confirm anyone watched the video. He said he was not authorized to release the video but wanted the NFL to have it while mulling Rice’s punishment."
That's wonderful. I know I sounds like I'm defending Ray Rice but I'm not. This police thing just blows me away first and foremost. An NFL coverup is a very close second.
That's why you hire ex-FBI guys to work your security. Even if its not kosher, they can get a look at things most people cannot. You should read that Big Lead piece describing Lester Munson talking to Dan LeBatard.
In answer to your previous question, police records are largely public and while you are not going to be able to get all the material of an ongoing investigation, like reporters, the NFL Security guys at least will be able to get a heads up about what is involved, even if they don't get the evidence handed to them in a bag. Your employer could eventually see it, just not as fast as NFL security.
http://thebiglead.com/2014/09/10/esp...-it-for-years/
As for my theory, the best bet is that NFL Security had the tape, watched it and summarized it for Roger and Co. No one spoke about HAVING the tape, only being aware of the contents because its release wasn't authorized. They made a judgement it would not hurt Rice more and told the execs so. In this case, they were wrong.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
What's more disgusting to me than what Rice did, is the "... Sister Bertha Betterthanyou" reaction of Amerika, i.e. sinless, sanctimonious ninnies who inflate their self-worth by spouting politically correct platitudes and cruxifying others.
The reaction is out of proportion, the punishment and ridiculous non-stop public shaming, and the lifelong sentence are out of proportion. Not only has Ray Rice been given a life sentence, his wife and family have been harmed by you monsters far more than any harm that came from the original offense.
You have cut off his livliehood, you have cut off his funds - that does lifelong harm to his family. Their child, and the children they may have that haven't even been born yet are going to suffer - not b/c of the incident that their parents had, but b/c of the scarlett letter of shame that you politically correct bullies see nothing wrong with marking someone with for life.
Ray Rice is a kid... what is he?? 27 yrs old?? He fucked up, his fiance fucked up - by all accounts it was a 1-time incident - leave them alone to work it out and get their shit together!!!
What's even more of a shame - is that we now live in an Orwellian surveillance society, in which everyone is under 24/7 surveillance. GM recently announced that they were putting cameras in their cars - the cops can already turn on your Onstar and listen to your conversation, now they will be able to simply tune into the car-cam... it's disturbing and sick. Much more disturbing and sick than anything Ray Rice did!!
Amerika is seriously fucked up.
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