So if the defense is terrible again this season?

[wist43]

Perry has been misused from the day he was drafted - I'm sure the guy is completely demoralized and wants out.

Still, mailing it in and refusing to give effort isn't any way to make friends or money - Perry will be gone as soon as his contract is up, and will be looking to land on a team as a 4-3 DE, which is where he belongs.

So Perry will be gone, Worthy will be gone, Raji will be gone... TT and Capers need to get on the same page, or this nonsense will just continue as long as Spraypaintedhair is DC.

[Patler]

Perry has been misused from the day he was drafted - I'm sure the guy is completely demoralized and wants out.

Still, mailing it in and refusing to give effort isn't any way to make friends or money - Perry will be gone as soon as his contract is up, and will be looking to land on a team as a 4-3 DE, which is where he belongs.

I don't think it is a given at all that he will fit in as a 4-3 DE either. Perry might turn out to be one of those guys who was a decent college player, but doesn't really fit anywhere in the pro game.

He is a fool if he doesn't commit himself heart, soul and body to the "hybrid" DL/LB that the Packers have been talking about for the up coming season. It could be what is best for him, a little of each but a lot of neither.

[pittstang5]

I don't think it is a given at all that he will fit in as a 4-3 DE either. Perry might turn out to be one of those guys who was a decent college player, but doesn't really fit anywhere in the pro game.

He is a fool if he doesn't commit himself heart, soul and body to the "hybrid" DL/LB that the Packers have been talking about for the up coming season. It could be what is best for him, a little of each but a lot of neither.

+1

I don't think Perry's problem is that he wants or is better suited to play 4-3, I think he's just hurt too much and just hasn't had time to fully learn and embrace the position.

At this point, I've given up on getting anything out of Perry. As soon as you think the lights come on and he's about to break out, he gets hurt. Time to move on for me. We have Neal, Peppers, Mathews and a whole bunch of rookies and 2nd year guys that will be chomping at the bit to play. If Perry turns it around, good, but I'm not holding out hope.

[KYPack]

I don't think it is a given at all that he will fit in as a 4-3 DE either. Perry might turn out to be one of those guys who was a decent college player, but doesn't really fit anywhere in the pro game.

He is a fool if he doesn't commit himself heart, soul and body to the "hybrid" DL/LB that the Packers have been talking about for the up coming season. It could be what is best for him, a little of each but a lot of neither.

The NFL has reached a weird kind of parity. There are 16 teams playing a 4-3 and 16 playing a 3-4 (if you count NE a 3-4 team & I do) Some teams are hybrids and I think we are headed to hybrid land. This means that Perry isn't the only guy that's on a team that it's style doesn't quite match scheme.
Perry isn't a 3-4 SOLB. He also isn't a 7 tech, hand in the dirt 4-3 DE. He's more of a sub package, spot guy. They need to put him in spots where he can use his bull and edge rush, that's what he's good at. Coverage or 3 down play just ain't his thing.

[bobblehead]

Perry has been misused from the day he was drafted - I'm sure the guy is completely demoralized and wants out.

Still, mailing it in and refusing to give effort isn't any way to make friends or money - Perry will be gone as soon as his contract is up, and will be looking to land on a team as a 4-3 DE, which is where he belongs.

So Perry will be gone, Worthy will be gone, Raji will be gone... TT and Capers need to get on the same page, or this nonsense will just continue as long as Spraypaintedhair is DC.

Wist, the PRIVILEGE of playing in the NFL doesn't mean you get to be used in only the way you see fit. He was drafted, given millions, now its on him to perform. He has the skillset to play OLB. He is not as misused as you make it out to be. Brad Chillar being asked to play safety is being misused (though he would have been an upgrade last year).

This is on Perry. When a 22 year old kid thinks that the professionals who have done this for generations aren't using you the right way so you pout (and the comments make it kinda obvious they are pissed at his attitude), you might want to look in the mirror.

[Just Jeff]

Brad Chillar being asked to play safety is being misused (though he would have been an upgrade last year).

Very funny

[wist43]

Wist, the PRIVILEGE of playing in the NFL doesn't mean you get to be used in only the way you see fit. He was drafted, given millions, now its on him to perform. He has the skillset to play OLB. He is not as misused as you make it out to be. Brad Chillar being asked to play safety is being misused (though he would have been an upgrade last year).

This is on Perry. When a 22 year old kid thinks that the professionals who have done this for generations aren't using you the right way so you pout (and the comments make it kinda obvious they are pissed at his attitude), you might want to look in the mirror.

He doesn't have the skill set to play OLB - he has very stiff hips; uninstinctive, slow to react in space, can't cover, etc, etc...

No, he's not suited to play OLB.

Neal is much, much better in space; much more athletic; more flexible hips; can sink, turn, and run... leave Neal at OLB, and use Perry on the line in pass rush situations. It takes advantage of the skills both players bring to the table.

Dunderdummy doesn't think that way though... he's a square peg in a round hold guy. His protestations notwithstanding.

[Zool]

He doesn't have the skill set to play OLB - he has very stiff hips; uninstinctive, slow to react in space, can't cover, etc, etc...

No, he's not suited to play OLB.

Neal is much, much better in space; much more athletic; more flexible hips; can sink, turn, and run... leave Neal at OLB, and use Perry on the line in pass rush situations. It takes advantage of the skills both players bring to the table.

Dunderdummy doesn't think that way though... he's a square peg in a round hold guy. His protestations notwithstanding.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...H/HarrJa23.htm

This guy played OLB and couldn't cover for shit. Still had a pretty good career because he worked his ass off. Perry needs to start working.

[KYPack]

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...H/HarrJa23.htm

This guy played OLB and couldn't cover for shit. Still had a pretty good career because he worked his ass off. Perry needs to start working.

He covered what he had to in the SB vs the Cards. 100 yd pick 6 is some coverage. Good call, Zool. Harrison and Perry are pretty similar players. They both play the same spot on similar D's. Winston Moss should take Perry, chain him to a chair and make him watch all the tape on James Harrison. James made himself into a star OLB with less skills than Perry. Perry should be able to do the same thing.

But I severely doubt he will.

[bobblehead]

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...H/HarrJa23.htm

This guy played OLB and couldn't cover for shit. Still had a pretty good career because he worked his ass off. Perry needs to start working.

DAMMIT!!! I really gotta start reading a few posts ahead before responding.

[bobblehead]

He doesn't have the skill set to play OLB - he has very stiff hips; uninstinctive, slow to react in space, can't cover, etc, etc...

No, he's not suited to play OLB.

Neal is much, much better in space; much more athletic; more flexible hips; can sink, turn, and run... leave Neal at OLB, and use Perry on the line in pass rush situations. It takes advantage of the skills both players bring to the table.

Dunderdummy doesn't think that way though... he's a square peg in a round hold guy. His protestations notwithstanding.

Sounds a lot like James Harrison.

[hoosier]

Moss's interview was played on the bill michaels show about a month ago, and the "Nick Perry has done absolutely zero" comment was in response to a question about whether Perry had made any progress since the end of last year. Moss had already stated that Perry didn't show enough last year for a real evaluation, so the absolutely zero comment was on top of that. Clearly a rebuke.

The Moss interview plays a little more than halfway into the clip.

http://media.billmichaelssports.com/...day-hour-4.htm

[3irty1]

Just playing the odds of the NFL draft crap shoot on a pass rusher, Perry was probably gonna fail and probably would have failed as a 4-3 DE as well. The frustrating part is the injuries is it prolongs his evaluation when you'd really like him to fail quickly if he must fail.

[hoosier]

TT's first round picks since 2005*

Offense
Aaron Rodgers (2005)
Bryan Bulaga (2010)
Derek Sherrod (2011)

Defense
AJ Hawk (2006)
Justin Harrell (2007)
BJ Raji (2009)
Clay Matthews (2009)
Nick Perry (2012)
Datone Jones (2013)
HaHa Clinton Dix (2014)

*players in bold have had development delayed or derailed by injury

If the defense is terrible this year it will because, with one notable exception, TT's first round draft picks on defense don't develop they way they are expected to. Player development might be part of the problem but the most obvious common denominator are the injuries that have plagued this team.

[Guiness]

TT's first round picks since 2005*

Offense
Aaron Rodgers (2005)
Bryan Bulaga (2010)
Derek Sherrod (2011)

Defense
AJ Hawk (2006)
Justin Harrell (2007)
BJ Raji (2009)
Clay Matthews (2009)
Nick Perry (2012)
Datone Jones (2013)
HaHa Clinton Dix (2014)

*players in bold have had development delayed or derailed by injury

If the defense is terrible this year it will because, with one notable exception, TT's first round draft picks on defense don't develop they way they are expected to. Player development might be part of the problem but the most obvious common denominator are the injuries that have plagued this team.

If you ignore the last 3 years (we're just starting to really evaluate Perry now) that's 4:3, not a bad record, really.

[hoosier]

If you ignore the last 3 years (we're just starting to really evaluate Perry now) that's 4:3, not a bad record, really.

What's the four and what's the three? Four who developed or four who weren't constantly injured? Cuz while Raji and Hawk have been healthy it's doubtful whether either one has lived up to the spot where he was picked. I don't say this as a critique of TT. I think the draft is a true crapshoot, and just as he's been extraordinarily fortunate in finding gems with his second and third round picks (especially the receivers) he's been equally unlucky with first round picks (except ARod and CMIII).

[bobblehead]

What's the four and what's the three? Four who developed or four who weren't constantly injured? Cuz while Raji and Hawk have been healthy it's doubtful whether either one has lived up to the spot where he was picked. I don't say this as a critique of TT. I think the draft is a true crapshoot, and just as he's been extraordinarily fortunate in finding gems with his second and third round picks (especially the receivers) he's been equally unlucky with first round picks (except ARod and CMIII).

Do you really believe in luck? As in...its lucky that Lois Lerner's hard drive crashed and ruined information stored on servers externally?

[hoosier]

Do you really believe in luck? As in...its lucky that Lois Lerner's hard drive crashed and ruined information stored on servers externally?

I live in Indiana, in Luck I trust.

[Guiness]

What's the four and what's the three? Four who developed or four who weren't constantly injured? Cuz while Raji and Hawk have been healthy it's doubtful whether either one has lived up to the spot where he was picked. I don't say this as a critique of TT. I think the draft is a true crapshoot, and just as he's been extraordinarily fortunate in finding gems with his second and third round picks (especially the receivers) he's been equally unlucky with first round picks (except ARod and CMIII).

Like Hawk or not, he's going into his 9th season with the Pack, generally as a starter. Sure, it turns out there were better players available, 17 players from the first round that year (including Hawk) ended up making at least one trip to the Pro Bowl. Generally speaking though, getting a 10 year starter at any spot in the draft, you'll take it.

[MadScientist]

Peri was a bad pick from day one. Came in with the wrong attitude about his weight and position. Although he said some better things at the beginning of last year it seems like he still has a poor attitude behind the scenes. He might not make it out of TC this year, if he even gets cleared for it. Just a bust.

Also what is with this 'undisclosed injury' thing. I know they don't like saying anything useful these days, but we learn about things like the cyst that Harris had removed last year, the weird intestinal thing some other guy had a couple of years ago, etc. The coaches seem pissed about this one, like Peri injured himself in a stupid way just before OTA's, or that he had some sort of lingering injury and ignored advise for surgery until just before OTA's so he couldn't get the work in.