I was hoping to see him jump off the screen a bit against what should be inferior talent. He just doesn't and maybe he's peaked?Originally Posted by HarveyWallbangers
I was hoping to see him jump off the screen a bit against what should be inferior talent. He just doesn't and maybe he's peaked?
The thing that bothers me just a little bit is that all of them, Perry, Peppers, even Jayrone did their best work from the Right OLB spot - where Clay plays most of the time. I'd love to see one of them show some bookend ability from the left side. However, it's still early, and I doubt the Packer D is giving anybody the real thing to have a film of.
I think Clay's been playing LOLB a lot this year. He's played there before, including 2010.
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The game is going to be shown at 10 am EDT this morning on the NFLN.
Edit: The NFLN website lied. The game is going to shown in the middle of the night later on.
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There's a step down from Clay & Peppers to Neal & Perry, but if you want to see anemic pass rush watch Palmer, Mulumba, & Bradford.
"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
I am pretty excited to see more of Jay Elliott in this next game. If he plays well again, he stands a decent chance of bumping Mulumba or perhaps Palmer.
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NFL supposedly going to increase Practice Squad from 8 to 10 players. That'll be good for the 64 additional players working.
This guy is usually pretty legit but I have not seen it elsewhere.
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Jayrone Elliott against good competition (Florida & Missouri):
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9619784
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9645691
Most of his sacks come via speed off the edge, but this was a nice play.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9883622
"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
Great reaction after jumping to bat down a ball.
C.H.U.D.
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QB (3) Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien
RB (4) Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris, John Kuhn
WR (5) Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Davante Adams, Jeff Janis
TE (4) Richard Rodgers, Brandon Bostick, Andrew Quarless, Jake Stoneburner
OL (8) David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, J.C. Tretter, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linsley, Lane Taylor
DL (6) Mike Daniels, B.J. Raji, Datone Jones, Josh Boyd, Khyri Thornton, Mike Pennel
OLB (6) Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, Mike Neal, Nick Perry, Andy Mulumba, Jayrone Elliott
ILB (4) Brad Jones, A.J. Hawk, Sam Barrington, Jamari Lattimore
CB (5) Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Jarrett Bush
S (5) Morgan Burnett, Micah Hyde, Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, Sean Richardson, Chris Banjo
ST (3) Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode
IR: Jared Abbrederis, Don Barclay, Colt Lyerla
PUP: Letroy Guion
PS: RB Rajion Neal, WR Myles White, WR Kevin Dorsey, TE Justin Perillo, OT Aaron Adams, OC Garth Gerhart, LB Carl Bradford*, LB Joe Thomas, CB Jumal Rolle
*Being a 4th round pick, Bradford probably wouldn't clear waivers. If he's claimed, I'll give the spot to DL Carlos Gray. The Packers may think Bradford has a future at ILB though, so it wouldn't surprise if they kept him.
The other tough calls were Ryan Taylor vs. Stoneburner (or even Perillo) at TE and Elliott vs. Nate Palmer at OLB. The fact that other players have been getting reps on the top special teams units over Taylor and Palmer may mean these guys may not make it on their special teams abilities alone. A lot will depend on how some new guys do on special teams. I think Elliott will get his chance in the next game, but I really like his pass rush potential... even going back to the first preseason game. I watched a bit more of the last preseason game. I thought Mulumba and Lane Taylor had bounce back games and may have solidified their spots on the roster. I think Brad Jones has been quietly fantastic in the first two preseason games--while Lattimore has been a disappointment. He's had several coverage breakdowns. Barrington has had a good preseason.
"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
Solid analysis, Harve.
I'd like to see Ryan Taylor cut bc I'm sick of waiting for him to do something and I really don't see his ST skill set as being all that. We probably go 8 OL bc we don't have a 9th worth being on the roster. I feel sorry for Bradford, I think they asked him to do a job he couldn't handle and we may lose a good player over it. 3 QB's? probably. Both TT and M3 don't want to go thru last season's back-up QB nightmare. HH, Flynn is the back-up QB by a good margin.
I'd like a solid big back RB, Harris is such a mite I dunno if he can last another season, even as a back-up.
Agree on Brad Jones, he's many posters whipping boy, the guy has skills.
Lattimore better get going, I could see them picking up an ILB if one becomes available, there will be some out there.
While I think they might keep 3 QBs initially if the roster is healthy and they don't have 3 or 4 keepers who are unable to play, I think it is a waste of a roster spot when they start getting injuries. I know, I know, they needed 3 last year, but what are the chances that they will again? Only once in the last 22 years have they had to play their third QB. The chances of it happening again are small.
I doubt there will be much interest in either Flynn or Tolzien if they are waived. Nobody wants to bring in a cold QB after they have been working with others in their system all summer. What TT did last year was very unusual. Besides, Flynn has been a flop everywhere but GB, and there will be more experienced QBs than Tolzien who will be looking for work. The appeal with Tolzien last year was that he was practice squad eligible. That is gone for him now.
BTW, what's the point of having eligibility requirements for the practice squad? Why not just let anybody be eligible?
All I can think of is that the player's union hates the practice squad because it takes away real jobs with real good pay.
As a fan, I just want larger rosters so there is a better product on the field. Maybe less player movement. Practice squads help stabilize things in a small way
Since the player is free to sign with anyone either on a practice squad or a regular roster after he is released from a training camp roster; and since he is free to leaving the practice squad to go to any team's regular roster, there doesn't seem to be any good reason to limit eligibility, does there?
Maybe this is the league and union trying to have a decent apprenticeship program.
QB Rodgers Flynn Tolzien
RB Lacy Starks Harris Kuhn
WR Nelson Cobb Boykin Adams Janis
TE Rodgers Quarless Taylor Stoneburner
OT Bulaga Bakh Sherrod
C Tretter Linsley
OG Sitton Lang Taylor
NT Raji Boyd, Pennel
DE Daniels Jones Thornton
EL Peppers Neal Perry
OLB Matthews Mulumba Elliott
ILB Hawk Jones Lattimore Barrington
CB Williams Shields Hayward House Bush
S Burnett Hyde Dix Richardson Banjo
ST Goode Crosby Masthay
Bostick to Temp IR
Banjo, Elliott, Mulumba, Stoneburner, Tolzien are last roster spots.
Maybe R. Neal makes the team but he'd probably pass through to PS at this point.
Bradford doesn't have the length so he has an uphill battle doing much against legit NFL tackles. A lot of people project him inside but I don't see enough raw potential there to hold a roster spot just to see if he might become serviceable down the road. TT doesn't give up on too many of his picks quickly though.
I agree that they will probably keep Tolzien because Rettig doesn't seem to have an NFL arm or accuracy which are pretty tough to develop.
That roster spot will likely never see the field so I'd prefer to hang on to Bradford or Palmer for ST (or Bostick if/when he gets healthy) but you never know when Rodgers may go down for a stretch. Rettig's ceiling looks like Matt Flynn but at least Flynn's a gamer. Rettig barely got in to kneel on it last game so my guess is they've seen enough.
Of the ones I've seen, this one comes the closest to what I'd pick. I'd also try hard to find a way to retain Adrian Howard - practice squad if possible, if not maybe cut Banjo.
I think I'd keep Bradford over Lattimore unless he plays his way off the team on Friday.
Nice 53, I agree with it 100%.
Yeah, I think this is right, give or take 1-2 people (i.e., they go with 2 QB's, or swap Perillo for Stoneburner), but I think this is what it will look like. If Harris can hang onto the football he's got a spot locked up.
My guess for the PS 10: Rolle, Goodson, Bradford, Thomas, Dorsey, White, Vujnovich, Fullington, A.Adams, and Luther Robinson.
Would it be a bit of a fail on both the players (mostly) part and the team's part if Bradford didn't make the roster as a 4th rounder? Don't get me wrong, TT is not going to pull a Sherman and keep a guy on the roster just because he was drafted high (B.J. Sander, oy!), but there has to be a bit disappointment in evaluation when it turns out that you "over drafted" a player, with the possibility of keeping him to prove a point when someone else might have clearly beaten him out.
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