Big Week for Jumal Rolle's Chances to Make the Team
also time for Bradford to put up or shut up
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Carl Bradford playing a bunch this practice. Guessing he gets a long look tomorrow. Big week for the fourth-round pick.
Big Week for Jumal Rolle's Chances to Make the Team
also time for Bradford to put up or shut up
@TyDunne
Carl Bradford playing a bunch this practice. Guessing he gets a long look tomorrow. Big week for the fourth-round pick.
Last edited by vince; 08-21-2014 at 11:33 AM.
I'd feel a lot better about the o-line with Barclay in there. Doesn't take much in this league to go from deep roster to shallow. That could be a place where we see a newcomer or two filling those 9th and 10th practice squad spots.
Also, I read some speculation that Perry may be on the trading block. Probably wouldn't get much value for him but that could make some sense... Palmer is serviceable at the bottom of the roster and is still seeing reps on 1st team ST's. I'd shudder to see Perry on special teams. He seems to have an attitude like he thinks he's above that. And with Matthews' and Neal's injury history and Peppers' age he could be a key contributor through the season.
Give Hubbard a year to bulk up that big frame with Elliott and another draft... I could see Perry's days numbered but it seems to me that should be a year away yet.
Originally Posted by vince
Vince, I'm curious as to where you heard or read about Perry's bad attitude. I've seen this mentioned before, but I've seen no real proof that he's got a bad attitude. In fact, Clay Matthews came out a couple months ago, I think, and said Perry shouldn't have been playing at the end of the last season with the injury he had, but that the dude gutted it out.
I wonder if Perry is getting a bad rap.
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
I think Perry can play but his attitude questions go back to when he was drafted, saying he didn't want to play outside backer. As a rookie coming into the league, it just strikes me as having too much of a sense of entitlement to feel like you're justified to be telling teams what you want to play and what you don't. A rookie coming into the league should have the opposite attitude in my opinion. They should be thrilled to be a part of a team and want to do whatever is asked of them to contribute to the team's success. Old fashioned maybe but just my opinion.
Then this offseason when Perry held himself out of OTA's exacerbated it. I'm saying that based on the coaches response to questions about his availability and his admission in a locker room interview on Packers.com about a month ago that yeah the coaches talked with him about the importance of participating but he felt like he had to do what's right for himself or something close to that. Voluntary or not, you choose not to do what the coaches think is best for the team - that's not the attitude I'm looking for if I'm a part of the Packers.
There's a bit of speculation in there for sure Fritz, but I'm just a guy spewing shit on a message board so I retain the right to speculate...
AARON RODGERS
SCOTT TOLZIEN
PS: CHASE RETTIG
EDDIE LACY
JAMES STARKS
DUJUAN HARRIS
JOHN KUHN
PS: RAJION NEAL
PS: MIKE HILL
JORDY NELSON
RANDALL COBB
JARRETT BOYKIN
DAVANTE ADAMS
JEFF JANIS
KEVIN DORSEY
PS: CHRIS HARPER
IR: JARED ABBREDERIS
RICHARD RODGERS
ANDREW QUARLESS
BRANDON BOSTICK
RYAN TAYLOR
PS: JUSTIN PERILLO
IR: COLT LYERLA
DAVID BAKHTIARI
JOSH SITTON
JC TRETTER
TJ LANG
BRYAN BULAGA
DEREK SHERROD
LANE TAYLOR
COREY LINSLEY
PS: AARON ADAMS
IR: DON BARCLAY
BJ RAJI
MIKE PENNEL
NFI: LETROY GUION
MIKE DANIELS
DATONE JONES
JOSH BOYD
KHYRI THORNTON
CLAY MATTHEWS III
JULIUS PEPPERS
MIKE NEAL
NICK PERRY
JAY ELLIOTT
ANDY MULUMBA
PS: CARL BRADFORD
PS: ADRIAN HUBBARD
AJ HAWK
BRAD JONES
JAMARI LATTIMORE
SAM BARRINGTON
PS: JOE THOMAS
TRAMON WILLIAMS
SAM SHIELDS
CASEY HAYWARD
DAVON HOUSE
JUMAL ROLLE
PS: DEMETRI GOODSON
MICAH HYDE
MORGAN BURNETT
HASEAN CLINTON-DIX
SEAN RICHARDSON
CHRIS BANJO
MASON CROSBY
TIM MASTHAY
BRETT GOODE
If they want to keep Flynn, then Dorsey would go to PS and Rettig is SOL.
Didn't really get a good look at Pennel today. Rolle, Elliott, and Janis all locked in their spots tonight.
He had a couple of tackles and one penetration. But he also got shoved around by the Chiefs line in the second half. He was at nose every time I saw him. Active though, his rep from scouting and college clearly isn't the whole story. But he needs an anchor.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
You sure about Elliot??
He may have 5 sacks this preseason, but what I saw last night was what I saw when I looked him up on youtube - a guy who doesn't use his hands at all. He may have the speed and athletic ability to get the corner against scrubs, but against starting calibur NFL linemen - he's going nowhere.
He might as well be a double arm amputee for as much as he uses his hands... If a guy can't keep seperation from a blocker by locking out, he can't set the edge; and if he can't hand fight his pass rush is dead; it's why pass rushers with short arms are at a distinct disadvantage against long-armed OT's.
They may very well keep him on the roster - b/c he does have ability, and maybe they figure they can coach him up, but until he figures out how to use his hands, he has no chance of succeeding in the NFL.
wist
Elliot's sack last night was against KCs starting right tackle, as I believe was the holding penalty on the previous play, and a blatant hold on the first KC drive that wasn't called.
Elliot has earned the spot and no way would he clear waivers.
(Although he is raw--there were several plays where he took himself out, overran the run, etc. But even just as a situational pass rushers he has great potential)
Yes, no matter how green guys with the propensity to rush the passer are coveted so I doubt he'll be cut.
But how could he sack anyone that way?
"The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
KYPack
I prefer to wait with my commentary and simply second guess TT after the fact.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
You sure you are not a professional columnist like Cleft Crusty.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
HOFer
There hasn't been a public word of unhappiness from Perry since the draft, and even his comments leading up to and after the draft have been greatly exaggerated. I can't really blame the guy for saying he's a better fit in a 4-3 because I think he is. Nobody outside the clubhouse knows what went down in the offseason. Some reporters speculating based on a comment by McCarthy that could have meant a number of different things.
BTW, here's what Perry said after the draft:
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...149243245.html
Initially, Perry thought he might be more suited to play in a 4-3 defense, telling the Detroit News in February at the NFL combine, "I prefer a 4-3. I like to keep my hand in the dirt. But as long as I am rushing and getting to the quarterback, I am fine."
But the Packers play a 3-4, and Perry could play outside linebacker or line up next to B.J. Raji on the end if needed.
"You know what, I'm open-minded," Perry said Friday morning. "I was open-minded about this whole process. I knew I could get picked to a 3-4 team as well as a 4-3 team. I knew I could go anywhere and I don't have to adjust to anything. I felt like I had the ability, I have the skills to play in the 3-4 and I love the scheme that the Packers are in."
"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
After he was drafted by a 3-4 team I'm not sure what else you could expect a guy to say. He's been diplomatic but I think the following quotes say a lot more than you're willing to read into them.
At the NFL Combine after gaining 20 pounds since declaring for the draft in what I'd say was a pretty blatant attempt to enhance his profile as a DE and reduce it as an OLB:
"Some people have a better edge getting off the ball with their hand in the dirt," said Perry. "I’ve been playing it a long time now, and I have experience in that. Being put further away from what you’re used to doing makes you a little uneasy."
If I'm about to get drafted, the last thing I'd be doing is talking about any kind of "uneasiness" about doing anything whatsoever a team may ask me to do to help their team succeed.
I also think there's little doubt that Winston Moss' OTA terse quote "Nick Perry in my book has done absolutely zero," combined with McCarthy's only slightly more measured statements at the time, spoke volumes about their perspective on his unwillingness to participate in OTA's.
It's speculation to read into it sure, but without getting into the logic of why both coaches may or may not have chosen to take a less confrontational public position on the subject of Nick Perry, my opinion is that it's no stretch to conclude the coaches weren't happy with his offseason approach.
As I said previously I think Perry can play, though he may be his own biggest problem.
But now we have gone from attitude to draft prep. Perry, presumably was trying to get drafted as high as possible for maximum cash and he and his agent might have thought that DE was the best bet according to what teams were telling them. After the draft, Perry told the press the Packers were not concerned about the weight. He has since lost 5 of those extra pounds.
Moss came back to Wilde and told him that his words were misconstrued about Perry. He meant Perry would be starting off with a blank slate. No history or baggage would carry over to his new coach.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
I'm talking about his attitude based on the combination of his words and actions. My opinion is that he was trying his damndest to preclude teams from projecting him to OLB where he didn't want to play. He obviously felt it was the best thing for him or he wouldn't have done it. Sure he said he'll play anywhere as long as he's "rushing the quarterback."
I think he would have best served the team who drafted him to wait and confer with them before throwing 20 lbs on so quickly. That's not natural and probably didn't serve his health in the long-run or his agility as an OLB.
That said, I'm not uncomfortable with people defending Perry. I'm not overly inclined to attack him. I don't think he should be cut or traded or anything of the such by a longshot.
It's not a black-and-white situation and I'm inferring things based on the entirety of what I'm seeing, reading and hearing so I fully acknowledge there are many spots along the attitude spectrum between Bart Starr and Terrell Owens that people will place him on. He's in the middle somewhere. He puts forth a reasonable public persona for sure. All the information I'm processing leads me to believe there's as least a small flame causing the smoke.
You're inferences are illogical. But the Packers have apparently not asked him to lose the weight. We knew all about Finley's preferred weight from both sides and he was a more high profile player looking for a contract. If Perry and the team were debating his weight, I think it likely would have made the news.
Serious question: did he actually gain 20 pounds after his last college year? There isn't much time to do that before a combine.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
HOFer
QB (3) Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien
RB (4) Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris, John Kuhn
WR (6) Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Davante Adams, Jeff Janis
TE (4) Richard Rodgers, Andrew Quarless, Brandon Bostick, Ryan Taylor
OL (8) David Bakhtiari, Josh Sitton, J.C. Tretter, T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linsley, Lane Taylor
DL (6) Mike Daniels, B.J. Raji, Datone Jones, Josh Boyd, Khyri Thornton, Mike Pennel
OLB (6) Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, Mike Neal, Nick Perry, Jayrone Elliott, Andy Mulumba
ILB (4) Brad Jones, A.J. Hawk, Jamari Lattimore, Sam Barrington
CB (5) Sam Shields, Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Davon House, Jarrett Bush, Jumal Rolle
S (5) Morgan Burnett, Micah Hyde, Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, Sean Richardson, Chris Banjo
ST (3) Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode
IR: Jared Abbrederis, Don Barclay, Colt Lyerla, B.J. Raji
PUP: Letroy Guion
PS: RB Rajion Neal, WR Myles White, WR Kevin Dorsey, TE Justin Perillo, OT Aaron Adams, OC Garth Gerhart, LB Carl Bradford*, LB Joe Thomas
My last cut came down to S Chris Banjo vs. WR Kevin Dorsey. Tough call. I think Dorsey has the most potential amongst the group after the top 5. I'd like to keep him. My gut tells me Banjo has slightly more value on special teams--although Dorsey is getting a lot of run on special teams. Jumal Rolle gets the roster spot left open by B.J. Raji. I re-swapped Taylor for Stoneburner because they look similar enough on offense that Taylor's special teams abilities win him a roster spot.
"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
You've got 6 receivers but only 5 guys listed. Opposite with CBs. You've also got Raji on the roster and IR.
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